MCU: Phase II - Part 1

[Lord]

Never read any of Bendis Avengers, only his entire Ultimate Spider-Man run, which i like, but the begining was certainly better and i would have prefered if he had let Peter age more than only one year in that entire run. I heard well of his early New Avengers stuff, IGN seemed to like his run, but from what you guys say here it seems to be hilariously bad.

I would like to see more 60s and 70s stuff, when things were simpler and concepts were slowlly intruduced and builded upon, i loved Mark Millar's run on the Ultimates, but i understand that many fans don't want to see that happen on screen, and i understand why

 

[Hawkingbird]

Now tell me that's not bad a** writing!

 

[DrCosmic]

I don't even hate the new Avengers characters (well...Spider-Woman). I just hate Bendis's writing.

I would LOVE to see Luke Cage, Iron Fist etc in films. I just don't see why they need to be Avengers films.

Well, the advantage would be event-based storytelling. If the MCU continues to be constructed to build up to the Avengers for maximum payout and prestige, then any characters would build into that. Plus, storywise, it makes sense for all the super powered people to be involved with things like an organization that tracks super powered people and world-impacting alien invasions.

Perhaps they'd be in a Heroes for Hire movie first, but keeping them separate from Avengers, while there is plenty room for that suspension of disbelief that allows a hundred superheroes to operate independently on high profile cases in the same small area, I don't think the movies work like that, and even if they could, I don't know if that's the most interesting or profitable way to go.

I agree, two teams could be a lot to manage, unless one team was a 'lesser' team and more or less one character in effect.

 

[KangConquers]

Well, the advantage would be event-based storytelling. If the MCU continues to be constructed to build up to the Avengers for maximum payout and prestige, then any characters would build into that. Plus, storywise, it makes sense for all the super powered people to be involved with things like an organization that tracks super powered people and world-impacting alien invasions.

Perhaps they'd be in a Heroes for Hire movie first, but keeping them separate from Avengers, while there is plenty room for that suspension of disbelief that allows a hundred superheroes to operate independently on high profile cases in the same small area, I don't think the movies work like that, and even if they could, I don't know if that's the most interesting or profitable way to go.

I agree, two teams could be a lot to manage, unless one team was a 'lesser' team and more or less one character in effect.

I honestly don't see too many of these characters even having films before Downey, Evans and Hemsworth are long gone. I really doubt we'll see Luke Cage or Iron Fist in phase 3.

 

[OB12]

I'm hoping we see both Luke Cage and Iron Fist in the SHIELD show. It would be a missed opportunity if we don't.

 

[KangConquers]

I'm hoping we see both Luke Cage and Iron Fist in the SHIELD show. It would be a missed opportunity if we don't.

Why? Neither character has anything to do with SHIELD.

 

[OB12]

I'm hoping that SHIELD is our guide through the MCU, introducing us to new characters along the way. If the intent is to do this show with no supers, then my interest is going to be extremely low. Television is a great way to get characters some screen time that might not otherwise see it for another 5-10 years.

 

[Chewy]

I actually agree that Bendis writes Cage well. Probably one of the reasons he feels compelled to put him in every book ever

 

[KangConquers]

I actually agree that Bendis writes Cage well. Probably one of the reasons he feels compelled to put him in every book ever

Luke Cage is his Johnny Depp. Every comic. Ever.

 

[Dark Raven]

Luke Cage is his Johnny Depp. Every comic. Ever.

Does that mean that he does the same thing as Depp's Tonto where it's a white guy dressing up as someone of another race?

 

[spideymouse]

Luke Cage is his Johnny Depp. Every comic. Ever.

So you're equating Bendis to Tim Burton? Hmm, I guess I can see that.

 

[cherokeesam]

So you're equating Bendis to Tim Burton? Hmm, I guess I can see that.

Or Gore Verbinski.

 

[DrCosmic]

I honestly don't see too many of these characters even having films before Downey, Evans and Hemsworth are long gone. I really doubt we'll see Luke Cage or Iron Fist in phase 3.

I honestly interpret Quesada's "west coast to work on it" as nod towards the West Coast Avengers. I think they'll lump all these movies they want to but aren't going to make into a smaller team film, whether it's called BlahBlah Avengers or Heroes for Hire or whatever. Introduce them all at once, give them cameos in the main Avengers film.

 

[Destructus86]

I hear at the Marvel Studio office everyone uses $50 bills to blow their nose.

 

[spideymouse]

I hear at the Marvel Studio office everyone uses $50 bills to blow their nose.

They're surprisingly absorbent yet not too rough on the skin!

 

[KangConquers]

I honestly interpret Quesada's "west coast to work on it" as nod towards the West Coast Avengers. I think they'll lump all these movies they want to but aren't going to make into a smaller team film, whether it's called BlahBlah Avengers or Heroes for Hire or whatever. Introduce them all at once, give them cameos in the main Avengers film.

I'm 95% sure it's Runaways, which was greenlit, then thrown on the backburner when they realized they wanted to use all of their 2012 money on Avengers. Runaways is traditionally set in CA, so the hint of going to the west coast made me think of that.

They're going to mine properties of some sort individual worth before they do "Avengers Lite".

 

[metaphysician]

If you want to avoid overcrowding New York City, just have a bunch of the character relocate. Would it really hurt Heroes for Hire if it were set in Chicago, for example?

 

[Dark Raven]

If you want to avoid overcrowding New York City, just have a bunch of the character relocate. Would it really hurt Heroes for Hire if it were set in Chicago, for example?

It would, because part of the whole Luke Cage thing is him hanging around his old neighbourhood of Harlem, and hiring himself out precisely where the action is in New York, when other "bigger" superheroes can't help.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Also the awful Cage book from the 90's was set in Chicago and must be forgotten.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Does that mean that he does the same thing as Depp's Tonto where it's a white guy dressing up as someone of another race?

You mean like Depp, who is actually part cherokee?

 

[cherokeesam]

You mean like Depp, who is actually part cherokee?

No; no, he isn't.
Let's not go there again.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I'm hoping that SHIELD is our guide through the MCU, introducing us to new characters along the way. If the intent is to do this show with no supers, then my interest is going to be extremely low. Television is a great way to get characters some screen time that might not otherwise see it for another 5-10 years.

I don't like that idea at all. I want to watch a show where I care about the characters. What I don't want to see is a show where I'm just waiting to see who the next guest star is.

 

[OB12]

I don't like that idea at all. I want to watch a show where I care about the characters. What I don't want to see is a show where I'm just waiting to see who the next guest star is.

So you'd rather have a SHIELD show that deals with everyday criminals? That sounds like just about every other cop show on TV. I'm not saying there needs to be a new guest superhero every week, but certain arcs through the season should show the SHIELD agents encountering both superheroes and supervillians. We expect that the show is set during Phase 2, after The Avengers, and to not acknowledge that and attempt to expand on the universe in which it is set, would make this show a pretty pointless endeavor.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm 95% sure it's Runaways, which was greenlit, then thrown on the backburner when they realized they wanted to use all of their 2012 money on Avengers. Runaways is traditionally set in CA, so the hint of going to the west coast made me think of that.

They're going to mine properties of some sort individual worth before they do "Avengers Lite".

I'm not sure they believe they have any more such properties. It's possible they're just waiting until after the recasts though.

 

[Dark Raven]

Marvel should really make some movies separate from the Avengers like Heroes for Hire. They can occupy the same world, but shouldn't all lead to the Avengers. Centering everything around that team is like putting all your eggs in one basket.

I want to see variation, just like there was in the comics. We simply haven't had a buddy comic book movie yet, so having Power Man and Iron Fist would fill that gap. They could have a hit on their hands.