Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Marvel united]

Later than anyone wants. I know people want to believe there is already a cast and scripts just ready to go since the merger was a fait accompli for some time and we all point to Marvel fitting Spidey into CW.

But this isn't the same thing. It's a much bigger undertaking with a lot more moving parts. The mutants are like adding a whole other franchise of franchises into an alreasy sprawling mega franchise. That's JUST the mutants. The FF are more manageable but you still have to figure out how the FF and X-Men fit into the wider Marvel arcs to come. Good scripts aren't a thing you can just order up. Finding the right cast takes time.

I think late 2020 we'll get the casting news and maybe 2021 a preliminary report of production starting for the FF with a 2022/23 release date. I expect given the larger cast of X-Men it's gonna take longer.

I doubt many people are naive enough to believe that. What we do know is that Feige is always thinking two steps ahead. He has even admitted to have alternative plans in place in case the status quo ever got changed... Which it did 2 weeks ago. So I'm not one to throw out any tentative dates but I'm of the opinion that we will see them much sooner than that. And there's no way Marvel are going to drag their feet on the X-Men for 5-6 years and wait until 2025/2026 to finally deliver the goods. I'd imagine we'd be on our third/second X-Men film by then. Anything not in tentative development can be pushed aside to make room.

X-Men's core cast isn't much larger than GOTG and it only took them close to two months to cast everyone.

 

[WeaponXCII]

So where/when will the X-Men/F4 fit into this phase. That's the million dollar question

I think you mean billion dollar question, if you know what I mean.

But, while it would be a dream come true for us to see the Merry Mutants and the first family pop up shortly after Endgame (or even in it!), Marvel knows how much fans loves the characters, and so I think they'll take great care in their introductions, and not want to take the risk of rushing things too much- which means it could be quite a while, unfortunately.

 

[Darkprime]

I revised my phase 4 slate a bit curious to see what you guys think.

May 1, 2020 > Black Widow

Nov 6, 2020 > The Eternals

Feb 12, 2021 > Black Panther 2

May 7, 2021 > Doctor Strange 2

Nov 5, 2021 > Shang-Chi

Feb 18, 2022 > Captain Marvel 2

May 6, 2022 > Guardians of the Galaxy 3

Jul 29, 2022 > Fantastic Four

Spider-Man 3 will probably be in July 2021 but thats for Sony to date not Marvel/Disney.

Id love to see Disney try and get Deadpool 3 out for 2020 to make up for the lost third film. Theyre usually low cost low budget, low vfx films and shouldn't they long to film at all. So could have a quick turn around.

Ant-Man could team up / cameo in Fantastic Four removing the need for Ant-Man 3.

I would hold onto X-Men until Phase 5. But maybe we could see something on Disney+? Phase 5 could then open with a Wolverine reboot and you could put Rogue in Captain Marvel 3.

I stuck with the one new franchise a year theme marvel seem's to be going with at the moment. Eternals, Shang-Chi and Fantastic Four would be the new franchises of Phase 4.

 

[Web-Head]

Sounds about right, but I expect Ant-Man 3 at the July 2022 date with F4 in '23

 

[Relugus]

Black Widow.

They are working on too many streaming shows.

Only 3 of those are truly confirmed.

Renner is a movie actor, I don't see him doing a TV show.

Rocket and Groot...the CGI costs make it unlikely.

Lady Sif and Beta Ray Bill (again, costly CGI)...I don't see that happening at all.

Nick Fury...possible but I doubt Jackson will commit to it, he likes his cameos.

 

[MbJ]

Even if the Ant-Man movies have never been huge hits I still think they're gonna at least do one more to see how audiences respond after giving him a big role in Endgame.

 

[psylockolussus]

Only 3 of those are truly confirmed.

Renner is a movie actor, I don't see him doing a TV show.

Rocket and Groot...the CGI costs make it unlikely.

Lady Sif and Beta Ray Bill (again, costly CGI)...I don't see that happening at all.

Nick Fury...possible but I doubt Jackson will commit to it, he likes his cameos.

3 are already too many. Like the Netflix's shows, i doubt they can maintain the output for so many years.

 

[Kuwolski]

3 are already too many. Like the Netflix's shows, i doubt they can maintain the output for so many years.

Why not? It's not like maintaining output for multiple seasons hasn't happened in TV history. Plus these likely aren't 13 episode seasons nor are they from the same producers behind the Netflix shows. Some may not even be intended to have a second season. Until we know more or see anything it's pointless to give a verdict.

 

[Kev4000]

Even if the Ant-Man movies have never been huge hits I still think they're gonna at least do one more to see how audiences respond after giving him a big role in Endgame.

They tried to push him in Civil War before and it didnt help much. Antman movies should be just better, the 2nd was a downer.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why not? It's not like maintaining output for multiple seasons hasn't happened in TV history. Plus these likely aren't 13 episode seasons nor are they from the same producers behind the Netflix shows. Some may not even be intended to have a second season. Until we know more or see anything it's pointless to give a verdict.

See they haven't launch one yet and yet they are already diving to three shows. Its gonna be a Mcu adjacent and would likely lose steam in the long run. Thats my hunch.

 

[Kuwolski]

See they haven't launch one yet and yet they are already diving to three shows. Its gonna be a Mcu adjacent and would likely lose steam in the long run. Thats my hunch.

We'll see. My guess is it will be used to fill in the gaps of movie story or continuing on with popular characters without the need for a film or (needless) cameos, etc. Again, I think these are conceived as more mini-series (6 episodes) with the possibility of returning depending on viewership (likely strong) and/or the actors schedule. I don't get the feeling any of the 'movie' actors are committing to long term series roles. I don't think Feige will want too many shows either considering he has a movie studio to run. The three initial series is also very likely because Disney is launching a streaming service that needs original content to attract subscribers and get market traction with buzz and strong WOM. I don't expect 3 new mini series every year.

 

[Darkprime]

They tried to push him in Civil War before and it didnt help much. Antman movies should be just better, the 2nd was a downer.

Well there was a 2 year gap between Civil War and Antman and the wasp. If ant-man and the wasp had released in 2017 I think it would have seen a bigger increase. Also the wasp and co getting dusted felt rather forced like they needed an infinity war tie in to get the audience even interested. I mean part of the marketing for ant-man 2 was the whole "where is antman" and the movie still didn't really see an increase in interest or box office. Basically the only people who saw it were people who were already fans. It didn't build an audience which is a shame.

 

[Marvel united]

PHASE 4

May 1, 2020 - Black Widow

November 6, 2020 - Eternals

February 12th, 2021 - Black Panther: Enemy Of the State

May 7th, 2021 - Captain Marvel: War of the Marvels

August 2, 2021 - Shang-Chi: Master Of Kung Fu

November 5th, 2021 - The Fantastic Four

February 18th, 2022 - Doctor Strange: Master of the Black Arts

May 6th, 2022 - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3

July 6th, 2022 - Ant-Man 3

November 7th, 2022 - The Uncanny X-Men

February 14th, 2023 - Black Panther: Doomwar

May 3, 2023 - Marvel Studios: The Secret Wars

August 8th, 2023 - Captain Marvel: The Enemy Within

November 4th, 2023 - Silver Surfer: Herald Of Destruction

February 9th, 2024 - NOVA

April 10th, 2024 - Eternals: Fall Of Olympus

July 5th, 2024 - Fantastic Four: Into The Negative Zone

October 15th, 2024 - Marvel Studios: The High Evolutionary War

PHASE 5

March 4th, 2025 - New Avengers: The Tomorrow People

June 2, 2025 - Uncanny X-Men: Mutant Massacre

August 8th, 2025 - Shang-Chi: City At War

November 15th, 2025 - Black Knight

February 18th, 2026 - The Future Foundation

June 4th, 2026 - Eternals: The City Of The Space Gods

September 2, 2026 - StarJammers

December 8th, 2026 - Silver Surfer: The Herald Ordeal


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That's what I would do, anyway

 

[Kuwolski]

Well there was a 2 year gap between Civil War and Antman and the wasp. If ant-man and the wasp had released in 2017 I think it would have seen a bigger increase. Also the wasp and co getting dusted felt rather forced like they needed an infinity war tie in to get the audience even interested. I mean part of the marketing for ant-man 2 was the whole "where is antman" and the movie still didn't really see an increase in interest or box office. Basically the only people who saw it were people who were already fans. It didn't build an audience which is a shame.

It made 103 million more then the first film WW. Basically a 20% increase. Domestically it did flatline though. I do think the film was a letdown compared to the first and felt anti-climactic coming off IW. That likely hurt it more then helped, which certainly wasn't the intention.

 

[Darkprime]

PHASE 4

May 1, 2020 - Black Widow

November 6, 2020 - Eternals

February 12th, 2021 - Black Panther: Enemy Of the State

May 7th, 2021 - Captain Marvel: War of the Marvels

August 2, 2021 - Shang-Chi: Master Of Kung Fu

November 5th, 2021 - The Fantastic Four

February 18th, 2022 - Doctor Strange: Master of the Black Arts

May 6th, 2022 - Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3

July 6th, 2022 - Ant-Man 3

November 7th, 2022 - The Uncanny X-Men

February 14th, 2023 - Black Panther: Doomwar

May 3, 2023 - Marvel Studios: The Secret Wars

August 8th, 2023 - Captain Marvel: The Enemy Within

November 4th, 2023 - Silver Surfer: Herald Of Destruction

February 9th, 2024 - NOVA

April 10th, 2024 - Eternals: Fall Of Olympus

July 5th, 2024 - Fantastic Four: Into The Negative Zone

October 15th, 2024 - Marvel Studios: The High Evolutionary War

PHASE 5

March 4th, 2025 - New Avengers: The Tomorrow People

June 2, 2025 - Uncanny X-Men: Mutant Massacre

August 8th, 2025 - Shang-Chi: City At War

November 15th, 2025 - Black Knight

February 18th, 2026 - The Future Foundation

June 4th, 2026 - Eternals: The City Of The Space Gods

September 2, 2026 - StarJammers

December 8th, 2026 - Silver Surfer: The Herald Ordeal


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That's what I would do, anyway

No wolverine standalone films?

 

[Heretic]

How about they do another Ant-Man movie if they have a story to tell AND they believe that the box office will support it.

If they dont have a story that is begging to be told, forget it. If they do but feel that the box office won't support it, then fold that story into another franchise (like they did with Hulk).

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

No story is begging to be told.

 

[Heretic]

No story is begging to be told.

What I mean by that...and what you already understand...is that if there is a story that they feel should be told to further what they want to do with their universe, then do it. No one EVER means that a movie must be made in order to save the actual universe that we live in.

 

[Web-Head]

It made 103 million more then the first film WW. Basically a 20% increase. Domestically it did flatline though. I do think the film was a letdown compared to the first and felt anti-climactic coming off IW. That likely hurt it more then helped, which certainly wasn't the intention.

It probably didn't help that it was released in the US like a month before it was released pretty much everywhere else

 

[Flint Marko]

No story is begging to be told.

Any chance to step on that soapbox, no matter how trivial

 

[Relugus]

A&tW should have been released in October.

July was in the middle of the world cup (which badly hurt it outside the US; by the time it came out in Europe it had become old news), and it was too close to Infinity War, which made it feel trivial and like a foot note. That would not have been the case had they went for October.

 

[SumT]

Marvel wont release their X-Men reboot in 2022. Thats just too soon, with Dark phoenix arriving this year.

a longer wait is needed in this case, taking into account the 19 years old franchise Fox has done. the franchise needs a little rest so general audience will "forget" them a bit and then get excited again once Marvel announce the next x-men movie. 4 years is a better time gap. hell, even 5.

F4 is a whole diff story. last movie came in 2015, and most general viewers didnt even watch it, so it makes more sense to start with them. and the X-Men 2 years later or so.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The platform for the MCU to present the F4 on film with credit is a massive plus for the studio, I'm sure they are aware of what they have at their disposal now and the possibility to have a Marvel 'great' back in the fold and characters who could run across 2-3 phases in terms of story build. I'm a big fan of the F4 and hope we see them finally done real justice with Marvel Studios, the casting of the main four and Doom is huge for this to be a success.

 

[Detective Conan]

Marvel wont release their X-Men reboot in 2022. Thats just too soon, with Dark phoenix arriving this year.

a longer wait is needed in this case, taking into account the 19 years old franchise Fox has done. the franchise needs a little rest so general audience will "forget" them a bit and then get excited again once Marvel announce the next x-men movie. 4 years is a better time gap. hell, even 5.

In before someone inevitably uses the tired, "what about Spider-Man!?"

This argument has always been flawed: Introducing a whole race who've never been mentioned in the entire 22 film history of a cinematic universe is much harder than introducing one guy with superpowers and unlike Spider-Man, Marvel now has complete ownership of the X-Men film rights so they don't have to work in accordance with another studio's preferred schedule(Sony ultimately determines when Spider-Man films gets released as they still have the distribution and production rights).

Marvel will take their time to introduce the Mutants in their world so it won 't feel like a rush job. Slow & steady wins the race. But that doesn't preclude mutants like Charles Xavier and Wolverine from appearing in non-X-Men MCU films before the first movie is out. And even though I don't care for the idea they could in theory introduce Storm in the Black Panther sequel.

 

[SumT]

Cyclops could also debut before X-Men 1.
Charles and Wolverine arent the be all end all of the x-men universe, and Im pretty sure Feige knows it.