Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[Marvel united]

In before someone inevitably uses the tired, "what about Spider-Man!?"

This argument has always been flawed: Introducing a whole race who've never been mentioned in the entire 22 film history of a cinematic universe is much harder than introducing one guy with superpowers and unlike Spider-Man, Marvel now has complete ownership of the X-Men film rights so they don't have to work in accordance with another studio's preferred schedule(Sony ultimately determines when Spider-Man films gets released as they still have the distribution and production rights).

Marvel will take their time to introduce the Mutants in their world so it won 't feel like a rush job. Slow & steady wins the race. But that doesn't preclude mutants like Charles Xavier and Wolverine from appearing in non-X-Men MCU films before the first movie is out. And even though I don't care for the idea they could in theory introduce Storm in the Black Panther sequel.

Sigh... The logistics of the situation don't discredit the RESULT. Just because Homecoming was made as it was out of mandate from Sony does not make the movie's immense success a non-factor. And Marvel doesn't need to wait 6 years for the brand to "cool off" before making another X-Men film that's successful. Smart marketing and MCU seeding did that for Spider-Man in 2 years. Marvel doesn't HAVE to do it and there's no way we can predict what they will do, there's no educated hypothesis to make about when Feige wil handle the X-Men/mutants besides the deal with Sony and besides what we know about Feige's feelings on the property. The besetting of the notion that they will "wait 7 years" is just as much based in blind assumptions as well. Mutants are not that hard to introduce. The concept is not as complicated as so many think it to be

And no, I would not have another Wolverine trilogy first before introducing the actual X-Men characters into the MCU. Everything shouldn't always be about Wolverine. Storm in Black Panther is a great idea that can build a bridge between the X-Men franchise and Marvel's most successful solo franchise right. Brand synergy with the wider MCU is what Marvel will need to make the X-Men successful and relevant again. And just using Wolverine 400 more times is not the answer to the X-Men's current problems

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Any chance to step on that soapbox, no matter how trivial

(Looks at my join date. Looks at your join date. Looks at the number of likes I've received for what I've posted. Looks at number of likes you've received for what you've posted. Thinks about all the products of Marvel from comics to TV shows to movies I've been a consistent consumer of for four decades plus, including when all the 90's kids were choosing X-Men, Spidey and Punisher over Iron Man, Cap, Thor and The Avengers. Sees your cute Feige avatar. )

(Laughing) I have nothing to prove to you in this community.

(Fires energy blast. Speeds off into the sky continuing to laugh.)

 

[Smurphftw]

(Looks at my join date. Looks at your join date. Looks at the number of likes I've received for what I've posted. Looks at number of likes you've received for what you've posted. Thinks about all the products of Marvel from comics to TV shows to movies I've been a consistent consumer of for four decades plus, including when all the 90's kids were choosing X-Men, Spidey and Punisher over Iron Man, Cap, Thor and The Avengers. Sees your cute Feige avatar. )

(Laughing) I have nothing to prove to you in this community.

(Fires energy blast. Speeds off into the sky continuing to laugh.)

There's a lot wrong with this response. So it's hard to choose just one thing to shred, but since you brought up message to "like" ratio I'll go with that one.

My "like" to message ratio is 55%, where as yours is just 11%, so obviously I win.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There's a lot wrong with this response. So it's hard to choose just one thing to shred, but since you brought up message to "like" ratio I'll go with that one.

My "like" to message ratio is 55%, where as yours is just 11%, so obviously I win.

Be careful now... You might be accused of getting up on a soapbox.

(Continues on my merry way.)

 

[flickchick85]

Play nice, y’all.

 

[Heretic]

Wait...people care about like to post ratios and all that jazz?

Thats...ooookay.

Seriously Krypton, the fact that you went to that much trouble just to justify why it was a reasonable thing to do to inform people (who already know) that a fictional story is not a living creature that can communicate to humans, is absurd.

 

[Darkprime]

A&tW should have been released in October.

July was in the middle of the world cup (which badly hurt it outside the US; by the time it came out in Europe it had become old news), and it was too close to Infinity War, which made it feel trivial and like a foot note. That would not have been the case had they went for October.

It already had a delayed release in the UK it was pushed back to August. And it still didn't help if anything the delay hurt the film.

 

[Iceman]

The platform for the MCU to present the F4 on film with credit is a massive plus for the studio, I'm sure they are aware of what they have at their disposal now and the possibility to have a Marvel 'great' back in the fold and characters who could run across 2-3 phases in terms of story build. I'm a big fan of the F4 and hope we see them finally done real justice with Marvel Studios, the casting of the main four and Doom is huge for this to be a success.

Yes, this is a huge opportunity to get F4 right and set up an important foundation of the future of the MCU. I hope (and expect) they are going with a multi-phase plan, and as you say, casting of the 4 and Doom will be crucial.

 

[Darkprime]

Does anyone else get the sense that shang-chi is being fast tracked? possibly for 2020? if they play their cards right much like Black Widow it could be a low cost, low budget, minimal visual effect film with a quick turn around. I mean the director just signed on in march and now they're talking about filming at Fox Studios Australia.

Disney to Receive $18 Million Subsidy to Shoot Marvel Movie at Fox Studios Australia

 

[psylockolussus]

Its definitely getting fast tracked since it was first reported.

 

[Detective Conan]

Sigh... The logistics of the situation don't discredit the RESULT. Just because Homecoming was made as it was out of mandate from Sony does not make the movie's immense success a non-factor. And Marvel doesn't need to wait 6 years for the brand to "cool off" before making another X-Men film that's successful. Smart marketing and MCU seeding did that for Spider-Man in 2 years. Marvel doesn't HAVE to do it and there's no way we can predict what they will do, there's no educated hypothesis to make about when Feige wil handle the X-Men/mutants besides the deal with Sony and besides what we know about Feige's feelings on the property. The besetting of the notion that they will "wait 7 years" is just as much based in blind assumptions as well. Mutants are not that hard to introduce. The concept is not as complicated as so many think it to be

But why would Marvel need to rush it when they already have properties in the MCU that are as successful if not more so than X-Men? And don't go, "but Marvel fit Spider-Man into their slate!" As I've said before that was a unique circumstance in which they were fulfilling another studio's agreement. Marvel will take their time and integrate them naturally as the mythos of the mutants is too vast and intricate to just go the Spider-Man route and introduce them at a similar quick pace. Marvel isn't going to feel the need to do a quick turnaround. It doesn't matter if an MCU X-Men film would do good at the box office no matter how fast it would come; my entire point is Marvel is in position in which they can wait and bide their time to build hype for an MCU X-Men film organically. Again, they already have franchises more popular than the X-Men already so in my view they wouldn't feel need to rush it like with Spider-Man. I want people to miss the X-Men. That requires them being gone for awhile.

And no, I would not have another Wolverine trilogy first before introducing the actual X-Men characters into the MCU. Everything shouldn't always be about Wolverine. Storm in Black Panther is a great idea that can build a bridge between the X-Men franchise and Marvel's most successful solo franchise right. Brand synergy with the wider MCU is what Marvel will need to make the X-Men successful and relevant again. And just using Wolverine 400 more times is not the answer to the X-Men's current problems

Never said there could be a Wolverine trilogy( I don't want one) but they could always use him as one of the mutants to appear in the MCU in other character's films.

 

[Web-Head]

Does anyone else get the sense that shang-chi is being fast tracked? possibly for 2020? if they play their cards right much like Black Widow it could be a low cost, low budget, minimal visual effect film with a quick turn around. I mean the director just signed on in march and now they're talking about filming at Fox Studios Australia.

Disney to Receive $18 Million Subsidy to Shoot Marvel Movie at Fox Studios Australia

'21
I don't think we'll get 3 films next year, but we'll see

 

[Moridin]

Marvel wont release their X-Men reboot in 2022. Thats just too soon, with Dark phoenix arriving this year.

a longer wait is needed in this case, taking into account the 19 years old franchise Fox has done. the franchise needs a little rest so general audience will "forget" them a bit and then get excited again once Marvel announce the next x-men movie. 4 years is a better time gap. hell, even 5.

F4 is a whole diff story. last movie came in 2015, and most general viewers didnt even watch it, so it makes more sense to start with them. and the X-Men 2 years later or so.

Eh, I don't agree. It may be a 19 year long franchise, but it's at a very low ebb now. Apocalypse saw a big drop off from DOFP, ($155m/$543m down from $233m/$747m) and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if XDP dropped further, might not crack $500m WW. I think Logan was the franchises real send-off in most peoples eyes. XMA & XDP are just stragglers.

3 years (2022) is plenty of time to reboot.

Does anyone else get the sense that shang-chi is being fast tracked? possibly for 2020? if they play their cards right much like Black Widow it could be a low cost, low budget, minimal visual effect film with a quick turn around. I mean the director just signed on in march and now they're talking about filming at Fox Studios Australia.

Disney to Receive $18 Million Subsidy to Shoot Marvel Movie at Fox Studios Australia

Definitely not. Cretton only just signed on last month, earliest it comes out is 2021, there's no point at all in rushing that, especially when they have other films further along in development (Derrickson & Coogler signed on to DS2 & BP2 last year). If they were dead set on adding a 3rd film for 2020 then Dr Strange 2 would be the best bet IMO.

Also, Black Widow hasn't had a quick turn around. Shortland signed on in July of last year for what would have been a July 2020 release. Gunn was fired literally a week after Shortland was hired.

 

[Marvel united]

But why would Marvel need to rush it when they already have properties in the MCU that are as successful if not more so than X-Men?

Because the X-Men are the X-Men. Their importance and prominence in Marvel's history can never be understated & they bring a significant chunk of the Marvel Universe that's been missing up to this point along with some of Marvel's most iconic characters. That's inevitably going to be a very attractive prospect to Feige who has wanted a piece of the mutant pie for God knows how longs. Even the potential for the X-Men franchise is not lost on Bob Iger who has talked about expanding the brand in the MCU.

And regarding there being more popular franchises right now, an MCU X-Men film would make more money than Ant-Man 3 for instance. His movies aren't exactly setting the box-office aflame.

And don't go, "but Marvel fit Spider-Man into their slate!" As I've said before that was a unique circumstance in which they were fulfilling another studio's agreement. Marvel will take their time and integrate them naturally as the mythos of the mutants is too vast and intricate to just go the Spider-Man route and introduce them at a similar quick pace.

They can lay some of that groundwork in other films but the majority of the heavy-lifting and world building for the X-Men mythos will be in..... Actual X-Men movies.

Marvel isn't going to feel the need to do a quick turnaround. It doesn't matter if an MCU X-Men film would do good at the box office no matter how fast it would come; my entire point is Marvel is in position in which they can wait and bide their time to build hype for an MCU X-Men film organically. Again, they already have franchises more popular than the X-Men already so in my view they wouldn't feel need to rush it like with Spider-Man.

Here's the problem with this hypothesis. You/We don't know how long is "enough time" to reboot this property. You don't know what Feige considers "too soon" or "rushed". The MCU will likely be going up to 4 films a year soon. 3-4 years after Dark Phoenix is PLENTY of time for Marvel to build up the X-Men mythos and still have a movie. Keep in mind that the average duration for an MCU phase only lasts 3 years and in that span of time, they manage to build and resolve huge story arcs and character arcs in solos and crossover films for that duration. They can easily do it for mutants. It's not like I'm saying they should reboot them next year, 2022-2023 is perfectly fine.

I want people to miss the X-Men. That requires them being gone for awhile.

That's all fine and dandy but I personally don't need/want the X-Men to go on some long hiatus so they can rise from the pit like Batman in TDKR

It's cool that you want that to happen to the X-Men but I don't

Never said there could be a Wolverine trilogy( I don't want one) but they could always use him as one of the mutants to appear in the MCU in other character's films.

That was more in reply to Dark prime's question about Wolverine. Forgot to quote his post

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men should rise in 2022. Anyway that would be just three years from now. I feel like the other MCU films would keep me company when it comes to cb films so I won't get impatient waiting. While Dceu and Sony will fill the void that FoXverse left. There's a lot to look forward to.

 

[Darkprime]

Marvel's next big move after 'Avengers: Endgame': Going back in time

 

[AvengerPA]

I am now thinking that this is the slate:

2020
May- Black Widow
Later Summer- Eternals
November- Doctor Strange 2

2021
February- Black Panther 2
May- Shang-Chi
November- Spider-Man 3

2022
February- Ant-Man 3
May- Guardians 3
Namor

2023
March- Captain Marvel 2
May- Avengers 5
A GOTG spin-off

 

[Kuwolski]

Because the X-Men are the X-Men. Their importance and prominence in Marvel's history can never be understated & they bring a significant chunk of the Marvel Universe that's been missing up to this point along with some of Marvel's most iconic characters. That's inevitably going to be a very attractive prospect to Feige who has wanted a piece of the mutant pie for God knows how longs. Even the potential for the X-Men franchise is not lost on Bob Iger who has talked about expanding the brand in the MCU.

And regarding there being more popular franchises right now, an MCU X-Men film would make more money than Ant-Man 3 for instance. His movies aren't exactly setting the box-office aflame.

They can lay some of that groundwork in other films but the majority of the heavy-lifting and world building for the X-Men mythos will be in..... Actual X-Men movies. Here's the problem with this hypothesis. You/We don't know how long is "enough time" to reboot this property. You don't know what Feige considers "too soon" or "rushed". The MCU will likely be going up to 4 films a year soon. 3-4 years after Dark Phoenix is PLENTY of time for Marvel to build up the X-Men mythos and still have a movie. Keep in mind that the average duration for an MCU phase only lasts 3 years and in that span of time, they manage to build and resolve huge story arcs and character arcs in solos and crossover films for that duration. They can easily do it for mutants. It's not like I'm saying they should reboot them next year, 2022-2023 is perfectly fine.

That's all fine and dandy but I personally don't need/want the X-Men to go on some long hiatus so they can rise from the pit like Batman in TDKR

It's cool that you want that to happen to the X-Men but I don't



That was more in reply to Dark prime's question about Wolverine. Forgot to quote his post

Marvel Studios has made icons, I don't see them rushing anything because they are getting more. If we have to wait 5 years I'm good if that means it's done right. It may only take two, but there is nothing wrong with making people wait for a payoff.

 

[Darkprime]

I am now thinking that this is the slate:

2020
May- Black Widow
Later Summer- Eternals
November- Doctor Strange 2

2021
February- Black Panther 2
May- Shang-Chi
November- Spider-Man 3

2022
February- Ant-Man 3
May- Guardians 3
Namor

2023
March- Captain Marvel 2
May- Avengers 5
A GOTG spin-off

I like this slate. And hope Doctor Strange 2 releases in 2020. The only thing is Spider-Man movies aren't part of the Disney Marvel slate its still a Sony movie.Also the 3rd movie in 2023 would be Fantastic Four IMO. I also think Captain Marvel 2 would be released sooner than 2023. Probably early 2022.And I would move Namor to November 2021.

 

[dominick1216]

After the news of a film filming in Australia soon, I feel like the slate might be:

2020
May - Black Widow
Nov. - The Eternals

2021
Feb. - Shang-Chi (By filming in the summer, I think they mean Australian summer)
May - Black Panther 2
(July - Spider-Man 3. 50/50 chance.)
Nov. - Doctor Strange 2

 

[Web-Head]

After the news of a film filming in Australia soon, I feel like the slate might be:

2020
May - Black Widow
Nov. - The Eternals

2021
Feb. - Shang-Chi (By filming in the summer, I think they mean Australian summer)
May - Black Panther 2
(July - Spider-Man 3. 50/50 chance.)
Nov. - Doctor Strange 2

I think they're gonna want to keep Black Panther in Feb

 

[dominick1216]

I think they're gonna want to keep Black Panther in Feb

See, that's what I think too, but if Shang-Chi is supposedly filming late this year or the beginning of next year, the only dates it could seem to be released on are the Feb. 12 and May 7 dates, there have been times where films set for those dates have been filmed simultaneously. I don't know if Marvel would be willing to have that film be a May release. Black Panther will still be successful even if it gets released in May.

 

[Darkprime]

See, that's what I think too, but if Shang-Chi is supposedly filming late this year or the beginning of next year, the only dates it could seem to be released on are the Feb. 12 and May 7 dates, there have been times where films set for those dates have been filmed simultaneously. I don't know if Marvel would be willing to have that film be a May release. Black Panther will still be successful even if it gets released in May.

The thing is MCU movies usually have a 1 year turn around. So If Shang-Chi starts filming in September that would mean they are looking at a late 2020 release.

 

[dominick1216]

The thing is MCU movies usually have a 1 year turn around. So If Shang-Chi starts filming in September that would mean they are looking at a late 2020 release.

Oh, for sure. But if it is true that they are to start production during the summer (most likely Australian summer), that's around December to February. It wouldn't be on track to make a 2020 release.

Look at Black Panther, they started filming in January 2017 and wrapped in April. Shang-Chi could kind of follow the same schedule as Black Panther did.

 

[Web-Head]

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