Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[SumT]

Gambit main villain, likely.

Spoiler

 

[Shuri]

Love him. Hope he turns up in Doctor Strange 2.

 

[NHawk19]

Wut ?

You re mistaken big time. There will be a new Avengers film before 2025 either A5 or New A or Young A whatever it is.

About the profitability of the Avengers films you re mistaken once again.

Lets take a look.

Highest grossing solo MCU films vs Avengers films.

Black Panther
Box office $1346,9 mil (~50% goes to cinema owners)
BO Profit $665 mil
Total cost $300 mil (production & marketing) = $365 mil profit.

Iron Man 3
Box office $1214,8 mil
BO Profit $600 mil
Total cost $350 mil = $250 mil profit

CA 3 Civil War
Box office $1153,3 mil
BO Profit $565 mil
Total cost $350 mil = $215 mil profit

Captain Marvel
Box office $1128,3 mil
BO Profit $555 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $265 mil profit

Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Box office $863,8 mil
BO Profit $430 mil
Total cost $320 mil = $110 mil profit

Thor Ragnarok
Box office $854 mil
BO Profit $425 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $135 mil profit

Guardians of the Galaxy
Box office $773,3 mil
BO Profit $380 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $90 mil profit

CA 2 The Winter Soldier
Box office $714,3 mil
BO Profit $350 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $60 mil profit

Now lets look at the Avengers films.

Avengers 1
Box office $1518,8 mil
BO Profit $750 mil
Total cost $375 mil = $375 mil profit

Avengers AoU
Box office $1405,4 mil
BO Profit $680 mil
Total cost $410 mil = $270 mil profit

Avengers IW
Box office $2048,4 mil
BO Profit $975 mil
Total cost $475 mil = $500 mil profit

Avengers EG
Box office $2797 mil
BO Profit $1300 mil
Total cost $525 mil = $775 mil profit

Looking at this laid out the way you have it, I do wonder what the financial & audience expectations for the next Avengers film will be. IFW & EG just set the bar so so so high for a massive team up. Makes me wonder if they should've created a 3rd I'll say Marvel branded level for the huge stuff like Infinity War & End Game. That way in addition to Hero, and Team up, they would have more of an Event level.

Think it would set expectations differently so threats like Thanos, or Galactus, or whatever would have the bar higher than an Avengers movie which now requires a decent cooling off period before they revisit. Probably also a big reason why Phase 4 doesn't have one and why Phase 5 may not either.

 

[Raiders]

Wut ?

You re mistaken big time. There will be a new Avengers film before 2025 either A5 or New A or Young A whatever it is.

About the profitability of the Avengers films you re mistaken once again.

Lets take a look.

Highest grossing solo MCU films vs Avengers films.

Black Panther
Box office $1346,9 mil (~50% goes to cinema owners)
BO Profit $665 mil
Total cost $300 mil (production & marketing) = $365 mil profit.

Iron Man 3
Box office $1214,8 mil
BO Profit $600 mil
Total cost $350 mil = $250 mil profit

CA 3 Civil War
Box office $1153,3 mil
BO Profit $565 mil
Total cost $350 mil = $215 mil profit

Captain Marvel
Box office $1128,3 mil
BO Profit $555 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $265 mil profit

Guardians of the Galaxy 2
Box office $863,8 mil
BO Profit $430 mil
Total cost $320 mil = $110 mil profit

Thor Ragnarok
Box office $854 mil
BO Profit $425 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $135 mil profit

Guardians of the Galaxy
Box office $773,3 mil
BO Profit $380 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $90 mil profit

CA 2 The Winter Soldier
Box office $714,3 mil
BO Profit $350 mil
Total cost $290 mil = $60 mil profit

Now lets look at the Avengers films.

Avengers 1
Box office $1518,8 mil
BO Profit $750 mil
Total cost $375 mil = $375 mil profit

Avengers AoU
Box office $1405,4 mil
BO Profit $680 mil
Total cost $410 mil = $270 mil profit

Avengers IW
Box office $2048,4 mil
BO Profit $975 mil
Total cost $475 mil = $500 mil profit

Avengers EG
Box office $2797 mil
BO Profit $1300 mil
Total cost $525 mil = $775 mil profit

As you clearly see you dont know what you re talking about.

The Avengers films are the most profitable by far and the only solo movies that come even close are Black Panther and Captain Marvel and both will have an increased budget for their sequel with limited room for box office improvement.

So yes. You re wrong.

You are not counting P/A cost.

 

[8ulk87]

You are not counting P/A cost.

1. First of all i do account for marketing. Compare the "total cost" i gave for each movie with the budgets provided by wikipedia , boxofficemojo or any article you can find and you ll see my numbers are higher by $100-175 mil which is the estimated marketing sum.

2. Even if i didnt account for P/A costs it would be irrelevant since A) the production budget is much higher than the P/A costs and B) your initial point was that the Avengers films are less profitable than the solo movies. Unless you re suggesting that the Avengers films have a triple or quadriple P/A budget which would be a moronic claim and not factual.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Once more... I have, after a lifetime of reading Marvel Comics, found myself thinking that half the time that their theatrical output is mediocre and often upon intial release ridiculously overpraised by fans online...


But Jesus Tap Dancing Christ... Stop with the attempts at this BS financial jiujitsu bringing up ROI or production costs etc. On every level you are just spectacularly wrong. Don't like Marvel films? Fine. You don't have to. But you are just being the flip side of the coin of Marvel Zombies that go out of their way to dog DCEU films on the badis of finances when the truth there is that despite JL flopping the other films have all made money which is why they are still making DC movies.

Marvel films are juggernauts at this point and it's silly to act otherwise. Criticise them on any other level, but the BO speaks in concrete ways. Could you say, as I do, that their four quadrant above all take makes for a lot of very middle of the road time wasters? I think so. But that's also what contributes to their success even if I feel it's a bit of a betrayal of the Marvel Comics brand which wad always about more layered and complex characterizations and themes at least compared to the formula they got going on for, again, about half of their out put so far.

But IT WORKS. I don't have to like it but they are getting those tickets sold and selling merch and getting people to sign up for streaming services and on and on...

There is going to be another Avengers film. You will again be PROVEN wrong. And cost won't even once come into the equation. Once the plan for Avengers 5&6 start to come together Feige will lay it out to Disney and Disney will go "What resources do you need to make this happen because we are more than confident given your track record about our RETURN ON INVESTMENT."

And he'll get it.

 

[Web-Head]

Wonder what it could be. Now he's apparently up for a role in Batman too.

 

[InCali]

Once more... I have, after a lifetime of reading Marvel Comics, found myself thinking that half the time that their theatrical output is mediocre and often upon intial release ridiculously overpraised by fans online...


But Jesus Tap Dancing Christ... Stop with the attempts at this BS financial jiujitsu bringing up ROI or production costs etc. On every level you are just spectacularly wrong. Don't like Marvel films? Fine. You don't have to. But you are just being the flip side of the coin of Marvel Zombies that go out of their way to dog DCEU films on the badis of finances when the truth there is that despite JL flopping the other films have all made money which is why they are still making DC movies.

Marvel films are juggernauts at this point and it's silly to act otherwise. Criticise them on any other level, but the BO speaks in concrete ways. Could you say, as I do, that their four quadrant above all take makes for a lot of very middle of the road time wasters? I think so. But that's also what contributes to their success even if I feel it's a bit of a betrayal of the Marvel Comics brand which wad always about more layered and complex characterizations and themes at least compared to the formula they got going on for, again, about half of their out put so far.

But IT WORKS. I don't have to like it but they are getting those tickets sold and selling merch and getting people to sign up for streaming services and on and on...

There is going to be another Avengers film. You will again be PROVEN wrong. And cost won't even once come into the equation. Once the plan for Avengers 5&6 start to come together Feige will lay it out to Disney and Disney will go "What resources do you need to make this happen because we are more than confident given your track record about our RETURN ON INVESTMENT."

And he'll get it.

I consistently tell myself "Why even bother to respond?". Then something crazy gets said and I start typing. LOL. My problem.

Maybe Marvel should market that Jesus Tap Dancing Christ toy. I'll bet they could make a fortune on it. Probably even pay for the $4B marketing budget that Marvel typically spends on the Avenger movies; thereby making them less profitable than their other movies.

 

[BoredGuy]

Ohh I was wondering what y'all were talkiin about and then realized I had one half of the conversation on ignore, lol

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Wonder what it could be. Now he's apparently up for a role in Batman too.

I would have zero issue with him as Xavier.

 

[Iceman]

which would be a moronic claim and not factual.

This has never stopped the expert before!

 

[Raiders]

1. First of all i do account for marketing. Compare the "total cost" i gave for each movie with the budgets provided by wikipedia , boxofficemojo or any article you can find and you ll see my numbers are higher by $100-175 mil which is the estimated marketing sum.

2. Even if i didnt account for P/A costs it would be irrelevant since A) the production budget is much higher than the P/A costs and B) your initial point was that the Avengers films are less profitable than the solo movies. Unless you re suggesting that the Avengers films have a triple or quadriple P/A budget which would be a moronic claim and not factual.

The problem is your estimates are way too low

 

[Zarex]

I couldn't find the results for the first Avengers flick, and the Endgame results aren't available as of yet. But according to Deadline, AOU and Infinity War netted $382M and a cool half billion, respectively.

Anyone suggesting that the Avengers franchise is dead because the films have gotten too spensive is either laughably Ill informed or actively trolling.

‘Avengers: Age Of Ultron’ Profits: Marvel Sequel Heroic At Box Office – Deadline

‘Avengers: Infinity War’ Is King Of Marvel Universe In 2018 Movie Profits – Deadline

 

[InCali]

1. First of all i do account for marketing. Compare the "total cost" i gave for each movie with the budgets provided by wikipedia , boxofficemojo or any article you can find and you ll see my numbers are higher by $100-175 mil which is the estimated marketing sum.

2. Even if i didnt account for P/A costs it would be irrelevant since A) the production budget is much higher than the P/A costs and B) your initial point was that the Avengers films are less profitable than the solo movies. Unless you re suggesting that the Avengers films have a triple or quadriple P/A budget which would be a moronic claim and not factual.

I can't wait to hear what yet your other problem is next time. LOL. I have a question. Are ALL of your estimates too low or are they just too low for the Avengers movies? Because if they are low for all Marvel movies, that still means that Avengers movies get a better ROI.

I'm telling you, they better buy those damn tap dancing Jesus figures so they can shore up the marketing budget for the next Avengers movie.

 

[AverageMan]

with some of these phase IV films including Shang Chi and Blade, is it likely we will see independent films, not connected to Avengers/other wider team ups?

 

[InCali]

with some of these phase IV films including Shang Chi and Blade, is it likely we will see independent films, not connected to Avengers/other wider team ups?

Shang Chi, I think, will definitely be connected in some way. Blade probably too, but the Blade I want to see probably won't happen and could be a standalone. In a way, I think it would be better that way. Hey, does anyone know anything about how many movies Mahershala signed on for?? Was that ever disclosed?

 

[8ulk87]

The problem is your estimates are way too low

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[Iceman]

with some of these phase IV films including Shang Chi and Blade, is it likely we will see independent films, not connected to Avengers/other wider team ups?

I think some of the more street level heroes could meet up independently of the Avengers. There will be battles on many fronts of different scale so there’ll no need for absolutely everything to go through the Avengers.

 

[Chesterfield]

Could be Black Panther villain Achebe:

 

[Raiders]

Face facts, there is no Avengers movie in Phase 4, more than likely there won’t be one in Phase 5 either, because they cost too much. Besides, who wants to see an Avengers without Tony and Steve? I know I don’t.

 

[chamber-music]

Wonder what it could be. Now he's apparently up for a role in Batman too.

I could see him playing Lucius Fox in Batman or a mob boss

 

[chamber-music]

Face facts, there is no Avengers movie in Phase 4, more than likely there won’t be one in Phase 5 either, because they cost too much. Besides, who wants to see an Avengers without Tony and Steve? I know I don’t.

I would watch an Avengers film without them.

I would be interested in the dynamics of a Avengers team with a new line up.

 

[RockSP]

I would be interested in the dynamics of a Avengers team with a new line up.

Exactly. I'm not interested in seeing the same line up of characters forever.

 

[Zarex]

Face facts, there is no Avengers movie in Phase 4, more than likely there won’t be one in Phase 5 either, because they cost too much. Besides, who wants to see an Avengers without Tony and Steve? I know I don’t.

Absolutely no one was anticipating an Avengers movie in Phase 4 given that the entire phase represents a scant two years and, other than Endgame, the films have come in three year intervals.

The Avengers series is by far the most profitable in the history of film, and looking at cost while ignoring revenue is foolish. But with Evans and (especially) RDJ sitting out the next installment, the costs for Avengers 5 will be significantly lower than Endgame. And folks who have read an Avengers comic or two in their life know that there is more to the team than just Tony and Steve.

 

[InCali]

Absolutely no one was anticipating an Avengers movie in Phase 4 given that the entire phase represents a scant two years and, other than Endgame, the films have come in three year intervals.

The Avengers series is by far the most profitable in the history of film, and looking at cost while ignoring revenue is foolish. But with Evans and (especially) RDJ sitting out the next installment, the costs for Avengers 5 will be significantly lower than Endgame. And folks who have read an Avengers comic or two in their life know that there is more to the team than just Tony and Steve.

Must.....keep.....hands.....off......keyboard......