Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[8ulk87]

And what exactly is wrong with that?! Robert Downey Jr., Mark Ruffalo, Paul Rudd, Anthony Mackie, Don Cheadle, Chadwick Boseman, Dave Bautista, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany and Chris Pratt are all 40+ playing superheroes but it's a problem that Natalie Portman (who is actually only 38) could be playing Lady Thor at 40+

1. Chris Hemsworth was young and tall when he was cast. He got ultra ripped for the role.
What is Portman's excuse for becoming Thor ? A comic book precedent and a Studio mandate for whatever reasons ? Please.
I dont like the idea of Foster as Thor and i dont like Portman as Thor either.
If you like it thats fine. I dont.

2. Most of the actors you mentioned were cast when they were younger and casting young/younger actors is ussually the norm for main roles. Its a matter of practicality.

Maybe it will. Marvel is going full on comic book, Jack Kirby etc weirdness...and comic fans are complaining? Marvel thinks the world is ready for it.

You don't care about characters unless they are already incredibly successful? You wait for other people to decide if its good or not and then jump on the bandwagon? You are missing out on so many great things.

Shang-Chi is higher up the ladder than Guardians of the Galaxy was, and that turned out okay.

1. Im not jumping on any bandwagon. I dont like the prospect of some of those movies and i wont watch them without a trailer or a review from trusted places.

I dont think thats unreasonable.

And i said with Feige's track record those movies can turn out to be great.
Im not rating a non existent movie. Im stating my level of excitement for them.
Im not excited. I think im allowed to.

And yet they've been translating the weirdness of comics for 11 years with overwhelming success. And of course even before the mcu existed there were successful comic book movies.



That's your right, of course. Though it's a very strange stance, IMO. You like movies based on imaginary tiers? Also he may be unknown to you, but not to all of us.

1. Not everything from the comics can be translated to screen. If i have to explain this we have a problem.

Maybe you think the space squid would be a better choice for the Watchmen movie ?

2. Tiers are not imaginary. Spider-Man is tier 1 and Ant-Man is tier 2 for example.
Shang-Chi is lesser tier. Thats a fact. The movie can turn out to be a masterpiece like GotG. Sill wont change the fact Shang-Chi is noone right now.

 

[RockSP]

2. Most of the actors you mentioned were cast when they were younger and casting young/younger actors is ussually the norm for main roles. Its a matter of practicality.

Uh, no. Most of the actors he mentioned were over 40 when they were cast.

Not everything from the comics can be translated to screen. If i have to explain this we have a problem.

Maybe you think the space squid would be a better choice for the Watchmen movie ?

Do I personally think the squid would've been a better choice? No. But also it would've been a better choice to not try to make a Watchmen movie in the first place. Can't really do that story justice in 2 hours.

But that one movie has no bearing on every movie. There is no "one size fits all" set of rules, thankfully.

2. Tiers are not imaginary. Spider-Man is tier 1 and Ant-Man is tier 2 for example.
Shang-Chi is lesser tier. Thats a fact. The movie can turn out to be a masterpiece like GotG. Sill wont change the fact Shang-Chi is noone right now.

Tiers for these characters are indeed imaginary when it comes to movies. Mystique is no big deal in the comis and is generally a villain and has never been a mainstay member of the X-men, yet due to Jennifer Lawrence's involvement she's been a big deal in those last few crappy X-movies.

The general audience does not care how comic fans rate these characters. Also you say Ant-Man is tier 2, but I'm sure others would say he's lower than that. Even within the realm of comics once you go beyond the characters that sell consistently, tiers are in the head of individual fans, hence imaginary.

 

[BoredGuy]

For the record, I think the Space Squid would've been a vastly superior ending to what they did in Watchmen

 

[Iceman]

Even if Feige didn't spill any dirt I'd still find a book by him entertaining reading about the years of interacting with all these great cast and crew members on such a range of projects, and conceiving and designing this whole universe and the gradual progression over the years. How good each piece of news felt etc as it came in. I'd be interested in this from any MCU guy who has been there since the beginning when there was no certainty up to modern day where things just keep getting better. But of course, hearing it from the main man would be best. I doubt he would want to get into anything personal but I wouldn't rule out him wanting to do something uncontroversial for the fans.

 

[Tymminator]

For the record, I think the Space Squid would've been a vastly superior ending to what they did in Watchmen

I’m with you. A Cthulhu looking horrific creature that was also actually a mutated gigantic version of cloned brain of that worlds most powerful psychic that upon its death would imprint horrific images to those that would deep into their subconscious, those on a deep level effect their actons on a world wide level of those who survived, like in the comic? Yeah, I wanted that too. To me, Snyder dismissing it as a silly squid kinda showed he didn’t understand how horrific you can make that creature and also because of what it was made of (a pshcis brain loaded with horrific images and fears to effect on consciously and subconsciously) , how it would be work on the population.

 

[BoredGuy]

Well also, I just felt like making Dr. M the scape-goat is pretty f***ing dumb.

If the US's "Superman", a weapon we used to devastating effect during Vietnam, suddenly went crazy and attacked major cities all over the world killing millions, antagonistic governments like Russia would not be all "We stand with you America". The world would be pissed, we'd be a pariah-state, sanctioned to hell and back for what we allowed to happen.

It needs to be an alien for the world to unite, and Ozymandias knew that in the comics

but anyway, off topic

I'm really surprised that this is all of Phase 4, seems awfully short, and with no Avengers film it just doesn't feel like a complete phase... I wonder how 'Love and Thunder' will serve as a conclusion

 

[Silva Surferin]

I'm really surprised that this is all of Phase 4, seems awfully short, and with no Avengers film it just doesn't feel like a complete phase

Agreed. Pretty underwhelming TBH. I just wanna get to Phase 5 already.

 

[Zarex]

2. Most of the actors you mentioned were cast when they were younger and casting young/younger actors is ussually the norm for main roles. Its a matter of practicality.

When I saw that hideous old crone Portman shuffle across the stage I was thinking "Have they cast Agatha Harkness for WandaVision?"

But in all seriousness, this SCREAMS one and done. I would be very surprised if Natalie is hanging around for Avengers 5.

1. Not everything from the comics can be translated to screen. If i have to explain this we have a problem.

Maybe you think the space squid would be a better choice for the Watchmen movie ?

As others have stated, putting the blame on Dr. Manhattan while keeping the same global unity ending didn't make a lick of sense. I would have preferred the cephalopod.

 

[Raiders]

You don't doubt it though do you?

How could you unless you were either really really happy, (which you obviously aren't from the attitude toward others that comes out in this thread) OR plain delusional (which I don't think is evidenced by your obvious troll skills, also evident in this thread).

So that comment is really the false bravado of a bruised ego.

I find it amazing how people will post such nonsense because someone disagree with them about a CBM.

 

[Raiders]

My prediction and surprising announcements at D23
2022
Deadpool 3
Black Panther 2
Channing Tatum’s Gambit
GOTG 3

2023
Captain Marvel
Blade
Ant Man and the Wasp 3
Fantastic Four

2024
Black Widow 2
James Franco’s Multiple Man
Eternal 2
X-Force

2025
X-Men team introduction into the MCU

 

[Chiznuk]

My predicted and surprising announcements at D23
2022
Deadpool 3
Black Panther 2
Channing Tatum’s Gambit
GOTG 3

2023
Captain Marvel
Blade
Ant Mans and the Wasp 3
Fantastic Four

2024
Black Widow 2
James Franco’s Multiple Man
Eternal 2
X-Force

2025
X-Men team introduction into the MCU

Why in the world would they continue projects from the FoxVerse? Gambit and Multiple Man aren't happening. And X-Force if it happens certainly won't be in Phase 5 and wouldn't be the one planned by Fox.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why in the world would they continue projects from the FoxVerse? Gambit and Multiple Man aren't happening. And X-Force if it happens certainly won't be in Phase 5 and wouldn't be the one planned by Fox.

I was going to say this myself but then couldn't be bothered and decided to let someone else do it instead.

 

[Raiders]

Why in the world would they continue projects from the FoxVerse? Gambit and Multiple Man aren't happening. And X-Force if it happens certainly won't be in Phase 5 and wouldn't be the one planned by Fox.

What’s your source on X-Force?

 

[Chiznuk]

What’s your source on X-Force?

Disney bought Fox. Check it out. It's been all over the news lately.

 

[Dark Raven]

Disney bought Fox. Check it out. It's been all over the news lately.

According to this thread, it only says Disney held talks to possibly buy Fox

 

[Raiders]

Disney bought Fox. Check it out. It's been all over the news lately.

Again, what’s your source on X-Force

 

[The Guard]

So...isn't Thor the character's name? He's Thor, God of Thunder.

Wouldn't that make Jane...Jane, Goddess of Thunder? Why would she suddenly be named "Thor"?

 

[Dark Raven]

So...isn't Thor the character's name? He's Thor, God of Thunder.

Wouldn't that make Jane...Jane, Goddess of Thunder? Why would she suddenly be named "Thor"?

That's what some of us have been saying already.

 

[Boom]

She adopts it as a moniker, since she now has "the power of Thor."

 

[Raiders]

When she get the power, will “man thor” lose the power?

 

[flickchick85]

"Man Thor." I love how, since this is a Taika Waititi flick, there's a good chance someone will actually call him this at some point during the course of the film.

 

[JtheDreamer]

So...isn't Thor the character's name? He's Thor, God of Thunder.

Wouldn't that make Jane...Jane, Goddess of Thunder? Why would she suddenly be named "Thor"?

Because "marketing" that's why and it's lame as hell.

 

[8ulk87]

Uh, no. Most of the actors he mentioned were over 40 when they were cast.




Do I personally think the squid would've been a better choice? No. But also it would've been a better choice to not try to make a Watchmen movie in the first place. Can't really do that story justice in 2 hours.

But that one movie has no bearing on every movie. There is no "one size fits all" set of rules, thankfully.



Tiers for these characters are indeed imaginary when it comes to movies. Mystique is no big deal in the comis and is generally a villain and has never been a mainstay member of the X-men, yet due to Jennifer Lawrence's involvement she's been a big deal in those last few crappy X-movies.

The general audience does not care how comic fans rate these characters. Also you say Ant-Man is tier 2, but I'm sure others would say he's lower than that. Even within the realm of comics once you go beyond the characters that sell consistently, tiers are in the head of individual fans, hence imaginary.

Most of the MCU MAIN CHARACTERS were cast younger than 40.

1.Mentioning Vision or Drax when you cant see their actual face behind the heavy make up or cgi is a bad case of example. Using characters that arent suppose to be young is another bad example.

The general rule is casting young actors for leads. The vast majority of comic book hero movies leads were under 40 and under even 35 when cast.

2. Again with the general audience BS when im talking about my personal opinion.
Im not intersted in movies with characters i never heard of. Whats the problem ? I didnt rate an unrealeased movie. I just dont care about it till i see some footage or reviews.
Im not talking in behalf of the general audience so stop using those points.

For me Shang - Chi is tier 4. I dont care if the general audience knows this or not.
Written speech & pictures are a different medium than moving picture and sound.

Even in animated comic book features there are some dumb stuff that cant and wont be translated to screen.

Thor and Wonder Woman can fly without an excuse but chances are they will never fly in movies.

Just deal with it.

 

[Shoppy]

I find it amazing how people will post such nonsense because someone disagree with them about a CBM.

I can't even remember whether I agree with you or not, I just think you come across as an energy vampire

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm really surprised that this is all of Phase 4, seems awfully short, and with no Avengers film it just doesn't feel like a complete phase... I wonder how 'Love and Thunder' will serve as a conclusion

It feels short but we're getting, what, ten projects in 2 years? This is clearly a sort of transitional phase and I think that's the right approach.

There was a surprising amount of people who walked away from SDCC feeling somewhat disappointed. Phase 4 isn't as earth-shattering as Phase 3 was, but I'd argue it's going to be just as important in the long-run. People could easily start to drift away after End Game and I think Phase 4 is centered around re-building hype and buzz around the MCU's future.