Marvel Films MCU Phase IV!

[InCali]

Even though Thor 4 seems to be the logical choice for the biggest movie of Phase 4 i would personally bet on Doctor Strange 2.

Yes the MCU track record is great but they had issues with sequels (IM2 , Thor2 , GoTG2) before and there are a lot of things going against this movie.

A cringe title and a horrible decision to make Jane (who is irrelevant at this point and Portman who is a midget) the next Thor (if it is what they are doing) when they had much better choices.

A $800-900 mil gross wouldnt surprise me.

The whole thing with bringing Jane back creates a certain level of anxiety for me. Thor might be my all time fav character, but I think it would be okay to not bring her back (I'd rather have Pietro back LOL). Maybe it will work though...... Maybe Jane can have a sidekick (Darcy).....anyone up for that? I've mentioned this before because nightmares tend to stand out and I remember them.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Wanda doesn't have to go crazy, Chthon can just take her body for a joy ride instead.

 

[Multievolution]

Why do we need quicksilver to come back exactly? So people can start questioning mcus deaths again and demand tony, nat or loki to come back? No thanks. One of the best decisions the mcu has made so far is dropping the "no one ever dies in comics" trope. Every major death in the mcu stuck so far so i dont want retcons.

And i dont dare if qs was wasted or not. If marvel brings him 6 years after his death thry are opening a very dangerous can of worms.

So to sum it up. No qs resurrection, no wanda going loco. Its really baffles me that people think that a phrase has defined the character.

I dont need major characters to come up and i dont need house of m with wanda creating an extinction event. Thank you very much.

I don’t disagree just discussing hypothetical plot points is all.

 

[InCali]

Why do we need quicksilver to come back exactly? So people can start questioning mcus deaths again and demand tony, nat or loki to come back? No thanks. One of the best decisions the mcu has made so far is dropping the "no one ever dies in comics" trope. Every major death in the mcu stuck so far so i dont want retcons.

And i dont dare if qs was wasted or not. If marvel brings him 6 years after his death thry are opening a very dangerous can of worms.

So to sum it up. No qs resurrection, no wanda going loco. Its really baffles me that people think that a phrase has defined the character.

I dont need major characters to come up and i dont need house of m with wanda creating an extinction event. Thank you very much.

Like I said before, I totally get why some might not want to bring QS back and you've touched on some reasons some people might have. For me, I just think he's a great and interesting addition. People question creative (and not-so-creative LOL) choices all the time and it doesn't get in the way of my enjoyment in the slightest. I don't think people "have" to die and I'm fine with bringing them back as long as it makes the story interesting.

 

[Web-Head]

Namor!
EXCLUSIVE: Marvel Studios Casting A Possibly Asian Character Described As A Ruler Of An Ancient Kingdom; Will Namor Be In Phase 4?

 

[psylockolussus]

If its for a F4 film, I would be excited. but Black panther 2? i feel mixed about it. Though at least we would finally see him in live action, I guess.

Even though Thor 4 seems to be the logical choice for the biggest movie of Phase 4 i would personally bet on Doctor Strange 2.

Yes the MCU track record is great but they had issues with sequels (IM2 , Thor2 , GoTG2) before and there are a lot of things going against this movie.

A cringe title and a horrible decision to make Jane (who is irrelevant at this point and Portman who is a midget) the next Thor (if it is what they are doing) when they had much better choices.

A $800-900 mil gross wouldnt surprise me.

Well if they tease it as the final film for Hemsworth as Thor. Similar to Tony/Steve in Endgame, then that should get more people to be interested in the film.

 

[Web-Head]

Nothing to say Namor can't and won't interact with the F4. Even if he first appears in Black Panther 2

 

[InCali]

Nothing to say Namor can't and won't interact with the F4. Even if he first appears in Black Panther 2

I'm biased, but it seems like so many introductions should go through FF; Namor, Inhumans, Black Panther (that ship has sailed), and, yes, Kang.

Not to mention Doom, Galactus, etc.....

The list goes on.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Unfortunately given the limitations of a general two hour or less film series being done in film every two to three year installments they have to change up the comic book continuity fealty often.

Personally I'll just be happy to get some of these characters however I can. Some though like Doom or Galactus I will say I feel should be first seen with the FF in an FF film proper. But Namor or Kang I can see popping up anywhere myself. Given Kang is far more associated with the Avengers in my mind than the FF (I feel he's the Avengers' number two villain after Ultron, ranking WAY higher in my mind that Thanos, traditionally...) I think if he is used that's where he should be introduced. But... We all have our druthers.

 

[Web-Head]

I'm biased, but it seems like so many introductions should go through FF; Namor, Inhumans, Black Panther (that ship has sailed), and, yes, Kang.

Not to mention Doom, Galactus, etc.....

The list goes on.

Personally, I would love for Namor to be the antagonist in the first MCU Fantastic Four film, but if it means we would be getting him sooner than that, fine by me.

 

[InCali]

Unfortunately given the limitations of a general two hour or less film series being done in film every two to three year installments they have to change up the comic book continuity fealty often.

Personally I'll just be happy to get some of these characters however I can. Some though like Doom or Galactus I will say I feel should be first seen with the FF in an FF film proper. But Namor or Kang I can see popping up anywhere myself. Given Kang is far more associated with the Avengers in my mind than the FF (I feel he's the Avengers' number two villain after Ultron, ranking WAY higher in my mind that Thanos, traditionally...) I think if he is used that's where he should be introduced. But... We all have our druthers.

Yeah. I actually have a copy of Avengers #8 so I get what you're saying about the Avengers. Still, Rama-Tut and Kang have major connections to the FF.

And, yeah, you can only do so much. My point was there are so many tendrils going to FF that the possibilities are almost endless. Maybe they make like 7 FF movies??

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah. I actually have a copy of Avengers #8 so I get what you're saying about the Avengers. Still, Rama-Tut and Kang have major connections to the FF.

And, yeah, you can only do so much. My point was there are so many tendrils going to FF that the possibilities are almost endless. Maybe they make like 7 FF movies??

If they cast it right, I think FF could be a surprise "lead" MCU franchise. But... They REALLY got to knock it out of the park in terms of casting and characterization. They gotta go deeper than some of their other output.

 

[InCali]

If they cast it right, I think FF could be a surprise "lead" MCU franchise. But... They REALLY got to knock it out of the park in terms of casting and characterization. They gotta go deeper than some of their other output.

Willie Lump and I, and I'm sure there are many, many others, have (just about) every appendage crossed.

The thing is that, initially, the FF were the "main" Marvel group and a whole lot of what was Marvel went through them. I enjoyed Marvel's latest movie run and hope they do step it up in the biggest way possible.

 

[Xarus]

Even though Thor 4 seems to be the logical choice for the biggest movie of Phase 4 i would personally bet on Doctor Strange 2.

Yes the MCU track record is great but they had issues with sequels (IM2 , Thor2 , GoTG2) before and there are a lot of things going against this movie.

A cringe title and a horrible decision to make Jane (who is irrelevant at this point and Portman who is a midget) the next Thor (if it is what they are doing) when they had much better choices.

A $800-900 mil gross wouldnt surprise me.

None of thr movies you mentioned are bad and most of mcu sequels are hood to great so i dont think they had issues with sequels at all.

Ragnarok, tws, aou, cw, iw, endgame, far from home are all sequels. It doesnt matter if thry are regarded better than what came before as long as they are good movies.

Also i feel you are projecting your own opinions about this movie. This is a sequel to Ragnarok, a top tier mcu movie with an acclaimed director on the helm and three great actors as leads.

Im sorry but this is NOT grossing less than Ragnarok.

 

[Abudefduf]

I'm not sure why Portman's height is being used as an argument against her playing Thor. The inscription on Mjolnir doesn't say that you have to be of a certain height in order to be worthy.

Namor!
EXCLUSIVE: Marvel Studios Casting A Possibly Asian Character Described As A Ruler Of An Ancient Kingdom; Will Namor Be In Phase 4?

Everyone is hoping it's Namor but let's be real, it's probably someone lame like the prince of Madripoor

 

[InCali]

I'm not sure why Portman's height is being used as an argument against her playing Thor. The inscription on Mjolnir doesn't say that you have to be of a certain height in order to be worthy.

Everyone is hoping it's Namor but let's be real, it's probably someone lame like the prince of Madripoor

It's not her height to me. Heck, it's not even Natalie. I rather like her (and Kat for that matter). The characters, however......(cringes....).

I'm just not sure what Taika is thinking on this, but, even with Ragnarok, he's got me a little nervous.

 

[Detective Conan]

Willie Lump and I, and I'm sure there are many, many others, have (just about) every appendage crossed.

The thing is that, initially, the FF were the "main" Marvel group and a whole lot of what was Marvel went through them. I enjoyed Marvel's latest movie run and hope they do step it up in the biggest way possible.

It would definitely be nice to see the FF elevated back to being the top tier franchise of Marvel like they used to be. If a freakin’ Aquaman movie following a major embarrassing flop like Justice League can crack a billion then a MCU FF following another embarrassing flop like Fan4stic should too, or at least get close to it. Now don’t me wrong, I don’t want to place unfair expectations on the MCU FF since it definitely doesn’t need to join the billion dollar club to be successful but I just think it’s possible.

And Kevin Feige did say he wants to “elevate the FF to a level and platform they deserve.” So what is that they deserve. They deserve to be a billion dollar franchise since they were pretty much Marvel’s first flagship title and without then wouldn’t have Marvel as you know it.

 

[8ulk87]

None of thr movies you mentioned are bad and most of mcu sequels are hood to great so i dont think they had issues with sequels at all.

Ragnarok, tws, aou, cw, iw, endgame, far from home are all sequels. It doesnt matter if thry are regarded better than what came before as long as they are good movies.

Also i feel you are projecting your own opinions about this movie. This is a sequel to Ragnarok, a top tier mcu movie with an acclaimed director on the helm and three great actors as leads.

Im sorry but this is NOT grossing less than Ragnarok.

1. The movies i mentioned are considered bad by both critics and audiences. What are you talking about.I even forgot AoU. Also mentioning the good sequels to say they didnt have problems with sequels is a false statement. I said they had issues with sequels not all sequels. Your response to this is bad.

2. Yes im projecting my feelings about this film but im not alone in my thoughts. Many people pointed out the same issues.

3. $800-900 mil isnt less than Ragnarok. Technically the average is the same as Ragnarok. I dont know how much it will gross but you dont either. We re speculating. When i see the trailer im gonna tell you how much i believe it will gross exactly. I still think it wont have a chance to beat CM or FFH.

I'm not sure why Portman's height is being used as an argument against her playing Thor. The inscription on Mjolnir doesn't say that you have to be of a certain height in order to be worthy.

What are you talking about. Dont you know that appearances matter because they make impressions ?

Why did they cast a 6''3'' actor to play Thor in the first place ? The casting call was for an actor of 6''1'' and higher.

Why did they make all the male actors get super buff ?

You want a midget Thor then good for you.

For me its a disconnect from reality.

 

[Shuri]

Why do we need quicksilver to come back exactly? So people can start questioning mcus deaths again and demand tony, nat or loki to come back? No thanks. One of the best decisions the mcu has made so far is dropping the "no one ever dies in comics" trope. Every major death in the mcu stuck so far so i dont want retcons.

I need Quicksilver back because I love the character and the actor's chemistry with Elizabeth was topnotch. Marvel is always going to do whatever they want regardless of what people demand. Majority of Spiderman wanted Marvel to drop his supporting cast and Marvel paid them dust. I never wanted to see Jane again and Marvel made her the lead of Thor 4 .

Anyway, Marvel opened the door to the multiverse in Endgame and is making the next Doctor Strange movie about the multiverse. It would be cool to see an alternative universe and other versions of some of MCU characters in it. And since Wanda is going to be in it, I want to see another version of Quicksilver.

 

[Xarus]

1. The movies i mentioned are considered bad by both critics and audiences. What are you talking about.I even forgot AoU. Also mentioning the good sequels to say they didnt have problems with sequels is a false statement. I said they had issues with sequels not all sequels. Your response to this is bad.

2. Yes im projecting my feelings about this film but im not alone in my thoughts. Many people pointed out the same issues.

3. $800-900 mil isnt less than Ragnarok. Technically the average is the same as Ragnarok. I dont know how much it will gross but you dont either. We re speculating. When i see the trailer im gonna tell you how much i believe it will gross exactly. I still think it wont have a chance to beat CM or FFH.



What are you talking about. Dont you know that appearances matter because they make impressions ?

Why did they cast a 6''3'' actor to play Thor in the first place ? The casting call was for an actor of 6''1'' and higher.

Why did they make all the male actors get super buff ?

You want a midget Thor then good for you.

For me its a disconnect from reality.

None of the movies you mentioned are even close to considered as bad. What kind of revisionist spinning is this? They are certified fresh and none of them are widely considered bad cbms. You must be completely living in an alternate dimension to claim that. You cant be active here for so long and claim that with a straight face

Catwoman is WIDELY considered bad. Green lantern, ghost rider, dark phoenix, origins, justice league, suicide squad, steel, jonah jonah hex, spirit of vengeance, batman and robin, bvs, fan4stic.

Those are considered bad by critics and audiences. Gotg vol 2 and aou? Really? They have better audience scores than 90% of the dceu.

 

[8ulk87]

None of the movies you mentioned are even close to considered as bad. What kind of revisionist spinning is this? They are certified fresh and none of them are widely considered bad cbms. You must be completely living in an alternate dimension to claim that. You cant be active here for so long and claim that with a straight face

Catwoman is WIDELY considered bad. Green lantern, ghost rider, dark phoenix, origins, justice league, suicide squad, steel, jonah jonah hex, spirit of vengeance, batman and robin, bvs, fan4stic.

Those are considered bad by critics and audiences. Gotg vol 2 and aou? Really? They have better audience scores than 90% of the dceu.

First of all personally i had no problem with IM2 or TTDW. But to pretend they are good films you must be joking.

They are bottom on the mcu list in everyones mind. Hence i said Marvel had an issue with sequels before.

As far as the MCU is considered they are bad fims despite the fact they are B+ when going by the whole industry.

GotG2 and AoU are a different story but still indicative of a sequelitis.
They are considered worse than the 1st film. Are they bad ? Only by the MCU standard.
And for me AoU is perfectly fine. Its a 9 - 9,5 out of 10 but GoTG2 is absolute garbage even though i still enjoyed it.

You re probably the only person here who thinks the MCU doesnt have sequel problems then.

 

[psylockolussus]

Nothing to say Namor can't and won't interact with the F4. Even if he first appears in Black Panther 2

Thats not even my issue. For a sequel for BP, Namor is not who i want to see. But Black Panther villains from the comics that I'm not familiar with.

 

[InCali]

Thats not even my issue. For a sequel for BP, Namor is not who i want to see. But Black Panther villains from the comics that I'm not familiar with.

I hadn't thought much about this. Just what DO we want to see for BP2? This is one I'm looking forward to and hope it bucks the trend and is at least as good as the first one. I don't expect it to make as much money, in spite of the reasons it might, but that's a different story. Namor is certainly a possibility, but they need to be careful with him in terms of how he's portrayed. Skrulls seem to be kind of out and, barring something crazy, Ulysses definitely is (didn't like what happened in the first BP and felt he was wasted). Zemo??

 

[Spider-Fan]

Zemo I doubt. He will be in Falcon and Winter Soldier

 

[Abudefduf]

What are you talking about. Dont you know that appearances matter because they make impressions ?

Why did they cast a 6''3'' actor to play Thor in the first place ? The casting call was for an actor of 6''1'' and higher.

But Portman is not playing Thor Odinson, she's playing Jane Foster. Jane Foster with the powers of Thor. I fail to see why her height should disqualify her from being worthy of Mjolnir. Having the face of a horse doesn't

Also if I'm not mistaken Portman is as tall as Tessa Thompson, and she's definitely taller than Yoda.