MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Hela vs Dormmamu:

Look, I like Hela, Hella is hella powerful *ahem*. She has no chance here. Based on the evidence available, Dormammu just isn't someone you can *fight*, anymore than you can fight "the universe". Even with an Infinity Stone, all Strange could do is trap him in an unpleasant state of being, and that depended on both a specific conceptual weakness *and* an Infinity Stone to apply it. Beyond that, Dormammu's feats:

1. Transform entire universes into extensions of his own/himself
2. Grant reality warping powers to those who pact with him
3. Casually kill Dr Strange over and over again

Or, another way to look at it: the Order of Kamar-Taj, despite having the millenia old, vastly powerful and experienced Ancient One, along with a small army of wizards and the collected occult relics and knowledge of humanity, and one Infinity Stone? Chose to build and maintain an elaborate planet-wide occult barrier to keep out Dormammu, rather than trying to fight him. This feels indicative of how they viewed their odds.

Well, that makes sense.

IMO the only real match up for Dormammu seems to be Thanos with a full Infinity gauntlet - although perhaps the same could be said for Hela with a full Infinity gauntlet, maybe its mixture of reality, time and space warping power could harm Dormammu.

Even then Dormammu may simply be too massive to destroy completely.

 

[InCali]

Dormy

 

[Fosterson]

Hela gets hyped up way too much IMO. Sure, she beat Thor and that's impressive, but folks act like she's basically unbeatable and engage in the NLF rubbish of saying that she can't be killed on Asgard when she literally was.

OT: Dormammu obliterates her even harder than Surtur did.

 

[Luigi]

Dormammu

Unlike the good doctor, Hela doesn't have a time stone to help her out.

 

[ernesth100]

Dormammu wins, maybe Hela can damage him? I don't know if her power constitutes enough to counter his Dark Magic.

It is magic too so yeah. But even so that's all could see her doing. I feel like a better fight would be

Dormammu

Vs.

Thanos

With every stone except time because that just presents him with an instant win.

 

[metaphysician]

Well, that makes sense.

IMO the only real match up for Dormammu seems to be Thanos with a full Infinity gauntlet - although perhaps the same could be said for Hela with a full Infinity gauntlet, maybe its mixture of reality, time and space warping power could harm Dormammu.

Even then Dormammu may simply be too massive to destroy completely.

Honestly, based on what we've seen, I suspect even the Infinity Gauntlet wouldn't be enough. Or rather, in theory it could provide enough power, but note the serious harm it did to its user even when "only" making a relatively minor alteration that doesn't need to change fundamental physical laws of the universe. A single Snap wouldn't be enough, not when Dormammu himself acts on a similar level of power, and possibly on a larger scale ( multiple universes ). You could certainly pull a bigger version of the timeloop trick, and *maybe* do so with yourself outside the timeloop. . . but maybe not. I mean, can the Infinity Gauntlet effect an entirely separate universe without actually being present in it ( and in reach of Dormammu thus )? No idea.

Its one of those "infinity versus infinity" debates, but if I had to guess I'd suspect Dormammu would win because the opponent burns themselves out first.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dormammu wins, maybe Hela can damage him? I don't know if her power constitutes enough to counter his Dark Magic.

It is magic too so yeah. But even so that's all could see her doing. I feel like a better fight would be

Dormammu

Vs.

Thanos

With every stone except time because that just presents him with an instant win.

You asked right?...........Dormammu wins. Next up:
Dormammu

vs Thanos(without the time or soul stone)

Who you got peeps?

 

[Luigi]

If it's in his dimension, then Dormammu wins every single time. He's 2-0 so far.

 

[Batmannerism]

You asked right?...........Dormammu wins. Next up:
Dormammu

vs Thanos(without the time or soul stone)

Who you got peeps?

Dormammu. While Thanos might be able to harm him ( and throw some moons at him) but without the time stone, I still think Dormammu is too powerful.

Now if somehow he could be isolated from the Dark Dimension, who knows ?

 

[ernesth100]

Ya know really can anyone harm Dormammu in the MCU if that's the case? I think he may technically be the most powerful entity introduced this far. Only being rivaled by the timestone tbh.

Because even with it Strange couldn't hurt or affect Dormammu.

 

[Fosterson]

I think people are selling Thanos and the Stones a little short here. Let's not forget that the Power Stone on its own can do this:

And the Reality Stone was going to destroy all Nine Realms.

We can't just assume that Dormammu can survive planetary-level attacks.

Not to mention that Thanos can make himself intangible with the Space Stone, so Dormammu can't hit him.

Thanos wins, and more easily than most here would think.

 

[Fosterson]

Ya know really can anyone harm Dormammu in the MCU if that's the case? I think he may technically be the most powerful entity introduced this far. Only being rivaled by the timestone tbh.

Because even with it Strange couldn't hurt or affect Dormammu.

He couldn't hurt Dormammu because dealing damage isn't the Time Stone's schtick. We can't just assume that the Power Stone won't do anything because the Power Stone's ENTIRE schtick is dealing damage.

 

[metaphysician]

Dormammu. While Thanos might be able to harm him ( and throw some moons at him) but without the time stone, I still think Dormammu is too powerful.

Now if somehow he could be isolated from the Dark Dimension, who knows ?

I somewhat doubt you even *can* isolate Dormammu from the Dark Dimension. At least as I read the movie, the Dark Dimension *is* Dormammu. There's not some big evil overlord guy somewhere in it who you can fight and kill, or a brain core you could explode. There's a reason when Strange confronted Dormammu, he didn't meet a person, but the very structure of the world around him forming a face to facilitate communication.

And obviously, my vote is Dormammu still wins. The only being we've yet encountered in the MCU who I think might be able to match Dormammu directly is Ego, *if* Ego had succeeded in his plan to seed the whole universe with himself. At that point, Ego would have probably been on the first steps of becoming the same kind of being as Dormammu, a singular intellect that controls a whole universe.

 

[InCali]

Dormy again.

 

[Batmannerism]

I somewhat doubt you even *can* isolate Dormammu from the Dark Dimension. At least as I read the movie, the Dark Dimension *is* Dormammu. There's not some big evil overlord guy somewhere in it who you can fight and kill, or a brain core you could explode. There's a reason when Strange confronted Dormammu, he didn't meet a person, but the very structure of the world around him forming a face to facilitate communication.

And obviously, my vote is Dormammu still wins. The only being we've yet encountered in the MCU who I think might be able to match Dormammu directly is Ego, *if* Ego had succeeded in his plan to seed the whole universe with himself. At that point, Ego would have probably been on the first steps of becoming the same kind of being as Dormammu, a singular intellect that controls a whole universe.

That is certainly one possibility, and Dormammu's appearance in the film doesn't definitively spell out his relationship with his environment (or whether, as you say, he "is" the environment).

I suppose I'm influenced by the comics, in which Dormammum is a discrete individual - enormously powerful, but also capabe of being separated from the Dark Dimension. The Dormammu we get in Dr Strange, the film, is much more powerful and frightening - because he attacks by extending his own realm into ours, or drawing Earth into his realm, either way it's pretty nasty.

Personally, I feel like Dormammu could be destroyed by the power of the fully loaded Infinity gauntlet - maybe if Thanos wished for the entire Dark Dimension to cease to exist. However, I can't count that as a "win" because such a feat would surely kill anyone using the gauntlet - including Thanos and/or Hela. If wiping out half the life in the universe hurt Thanos (although he recovered quickly, and he pulled it off while Stormbreaker was impaled in his chest) surely a feat of such magnitude would kill him. Although this is pure conjecture on my part.

At present, I can't see Dormammu actually losing to any individual or team without the power of the time stone to back them up ( and even then, Strange only stalemated Dormammu).

 

[Docker2.0]

Dormammu wins. Next up:

Ronan with the power stone

Vs Worthy Cap

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Dormammu wins. Next up:

Ronan with the power stone

Vs Worthy Cap

Who you got peeps?

Worthy Cap 10/10. Ronan has some hand to hand skills, but against Worthy Cap he's outclassed. If Worthy Cap could knock Thanos on his ass, then he's going to take down Ronan.

Also, if Cap can separate Ronan from his hammer, he's lost his main weapon - whereas Worthy Cap can recall Mjolnir to his hand.

 

[Docker2.0]

You vote for Cap and Black Widow for everything. Ronan with the power stone can destroy a planet and you still give him no love.

 

[InCali]

You vote for Cap and Black Widow for everything. Ronan with the power stone can destroy a planet and you still give him no love.

Cap, Cap, Cap, Cap, Cap.......

BW beats Ronan.

 

[Luigi]

Worthy Cap

 

[Batmannerism]

You vote for Cap and Black Widow for everything. Ronan with the power stone can destroy a planet and you still give him no love.

....and was defeated by a dance off.

 

[Docker2.0]

....and was defeated by a dance off.

Never underestimate the power of dance.............

 

[metaphysician]

Power Stone Ronan vs Worthy Cap:

Worthy Cap takes it the vast majority of the time. Yes, Ronan has vastly more firepower, but here's the thing: all the firepower in the world doesn't matter if you don't get the chance to use it. Cap has an overwhelming strength and skill advantage, and simply won't give Ronan the chance to make a meaningful attack. Separate him from the Universal Weapon, beatdown, done.

As for the peanuts gallery, if you don't want to see Steve Rogers consistently win, stop putting him in fights where superior skill and tactical acumen are the defining margin of victory.

 

[Docker2.0]

Cap wins. Next up:

Rocket and Groot

Vs Cable and Deadpool

Who you got peeps?

 

[Batmannerism]

Cap wins. Next up:

Rocket and Groot

Vs Cable and Deadpool

Who you got peeps?

Cable and Deadpool....maximum effort !

Cable has the firepower to put big holes in Groot, and Deadpool is pretty much unkillable.
I can't see Rocket and Groot taking this.