MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Docker2.0]

Cull stomps and anyone who says otherwise is just a deluded Cap fanboy.

Cull dominated Bleeding Edge Iron Man twice and was beating the Hulk-Buster armour. How exactly is Cap supposed to beat him? His best chance is to run away and hope Thor arrives to win the fight for him. But knowing Steve, he'll happily run to his death while saying "I can do this all day!".

According to some people, Cap can beat Thanos with the gauntlet but I digress.............

 

[Batmannerism]

Sadly, I have to give this to Cull. If it was Worthy Cap he'd curb stomp Cull, but just on his own he doesn't have the raw power to seriously harm Cull.

Maybe he could embed his shield in Cull's chest but I don't see him being able to do enough damage to kill him or KO him.

 

[metaphysician]

Cull Obsidian vs Captain America:

I mean, the sheer contempt here for the idea that Steve Rogers might actually have courage, and that this is a good thing, makes me want to vote for Cap out of spite. . . *ahem*

But no, realistically, the most he can do is prolong the fight via evasion and blocking. He's not hurting a Hulk-class brick, ever.

 

[Fosterson]

According to some people, Cap can beat Thanos with the gauntlet but I digress.............

 

[Imjenn]

Worthy Cap would win. But without that, Cap loses

 

[InCali]

According to some people, Cap can beat Thanos with the gauntlet but I digress.............

Cap.

Sincerely,
Deluded fan boy.

 

[InCali]

Worthy Cap would win. But without that, Cap loses

Check that...."Worthy" deluded fan boy.

 

[Luigi]

Cap

 

[Imjenn]

I'm one of the biggest cap fangirls that I know... no way base Captain America can beat Cull. Best he could do is try and avoid getting hit until Cull gets tired. But I don't know if Cap could hurt him even then

 

[Docker2.0]

Cull wins in easy fashion................next up:

Hela

vs Darkhold Scarlet Witch

Who you got peeps?

 

[Fosterson]

INB4 "Hela is unbeatable and can't be killed on Asgard".

But seriously, with the level of both raw power and hax Wanda now has, she's got this. Based on her performance against Thanos her TK should be more than enough to physically overpower and crush Hela, and she shouldn't have any problems mind-controlling Hela either, given that her TP worked on Thor in AoU when she was FAR less experienced in using her powers. And that's not even mentioning how Wanda could warp Hela like she did with Agatha and turn her into whatever character she wants her to be on her sitcom.

Basically, Wanda has so many ways to win here that I can't see her losing.

The Scarlet Witch stomps the Goddess of Death

 

[Web-Head]

The key being Scarlet Witch with Darkhold. Even Agatha said she'd be more powerful than the Sorcerer Supreme. Scarlet Witch wins.

 

[Luigi]

Yeah, unlike Thanos, Hela doesn't have the reality stone to help her ward off any reality bending shenanigans from Wanda.

Wanda wins.

 

[Batmannerism]

Cull wins in easy fashion................next up:

Hela

vs Darkhold Scarlet Witch

Who you got peeps?

I would say Hela. While Wanda's power is immense, possibly on the level of an infinity stone or more with the Darkhold, none of that enhances her physical body- that we know of.

As such, while Hela might be able to survive Wanda's first attack, there's no way Wanda survives a single strike by Hela, which instantly killed Asgardians. Hela was fast enough to take out an army of Asgardian soldiers killing many of them with salvos of death blades.

If Wanda gets in the first shot she's got the power to alter reality and destroy Hela, but I'm not so sure she'd get that first shot.

I'll say Hela still takes this 6/10 times.

 

[Iceman]

I would say Hela. While Wanda's power is immense, possibly on the level of an infinity stone or more with the Darkhold, none of that enhances her physical body- that we know of.

As such, while Hela might be able to survive Wanda's first attack, there's no way Wanda survives a single strike by Hela, which instantly killed Asgardians. Hela was fast enough to take out an army of Asgardian soldiers killing many of them with salvos of death blades.

If Wanda gets in the first shot she's got the power to alter reality and destroy Hela, but I'm not so sure she'd get that first shot.

I'll say Hela still takes this 6/10 times.

Sounds right to me. In future when Wanda has the experience to match her potential it could be different as she would be more battle-ready with protection spells cast in advance.

 

[Fosterson]

Sounds right to me. In future when Wanda has the experience to match her potential it could be different as she would be more battle-ready with protection spells cast in advance.

"battle-ready"

Wanda already matched Thanos (who the Russo's described as the Genghis Khan of the MCU) for skill in H2H and according to official canon sources she was trained in CQC by Steve and Natasha.

So I'd say she's pretty battle-trained already.

 

[Fosterson]

As such, while Hela might be able to survive Wanda's first attack, there's no way Wanda survives a single strike by Hela, which instantly killed Asgardians.

I would say Wanda has enough reaction feats at this point to show that she would be able to put up a forcefield around herself to block any incoming swords from Hela. She's blocked shots from Ultron bots, gunfire and blasts from Agatha so I don't see why Hela's swords would be any problem.

Not to mention that she can teleport now as well.

 

[metaphysician]

Hela vs Scarlet Witch:

Until we get more data points for Wanda, I give this to Hela. Ultimately, Hela is something of an invincible death machine, with enough evidence of esoteric aspects that I wouldn't bet on being able to blind side her with weirdness. A comparison point vs Thanos: Thanos never moved against Asgard until after Hela broke their power. . . and she did so more or less single handedly, only raising up her own army *after* she defeated Asgard.

Or basically, Wanda is powerful enough to fight Thanos and make him scream, but Hela is almost certainly in a place beyond Thanos. . . and Wanda is a glass cannon.

 

[Iceman]

"battle-ready"

Wanda already matched Thanos (who the Russo's described as the Genghis Khan of the MCU) for skill in H2H and according to official canon sources she was trained in CQC by Steve and Natasha.

So I'd say she's pretty battle-trained already.

I think Thanos without the stones wouldn't be wiping the floor with Strange, Iron Man or Cap Marvel either based on their one on ones where the stones actually helped him win. Wanda is still early in her training and not ruthless enough yet, but I think she will be on another level after MoM. She was ruthless in the case of Thanos because she had a unique emotional reaction given that he had "taken everything" from her, but that isn't standard Wanda at this point (which is why everyone was surprised) and she doesn't even seem to understand how all her powers work yet. She is too hesitant to use her advantages to their fullest extent against someone like Hela who is quick thinking enough to take out Ragnarok Thor, Loki, Valkyrie and the Asgardian army. She's absolutely not battle-ready yet at the highest level, but we will get a battle-ready version in due course and you will see the difference (if you've seen WV right to the last shot then the future is very promising).

 

[Docker2.0]

We end with a 3-3 tie.

Next up:
Dr. Octopus

Captain America Falcon

Who you got peeps?

 

[Imjenn]

Falcon doesn't even need the shield. He regularly has twin guns, or other gadgets. Ock is not bullet proof, and even if he can block bullets with those arms, i doubt he could block all of them from twin automatic weapons. Don't forget about the red wing drone as well. Falcon has no reason to get close enough to Ock's range.

 

[Fosterson]

Wait, does Falcon get his flight suit and guns as well or is it just him with the shield?

Because if its the former he one shots. If its the latter he gets one-shotted.

 

[metaphysician]

Dr Octopus vs Captain Falcon:

Sam takes it, for the same reason he does normally: because he's a flying gadgeteer with a wide array of ranged weapons, and Dr Octopus is not. The shield doesn't really come into play. Sam just plays the game of "I can rain bullets and missiles and explosions on you from a distance where you really can't do anything". All Ock can do is fly stuff, and throwing stuff against Falcon really isn't a winning strategy.

 

[metaphysician]

Oh, and I am presuming he gets his full normal Falcon gear, because all the promo shots for The Sam & Bucky Show show him indeed still using the stuff. It'd be silly to presume he'd stop doing so.

 

[Batmannerism]

We end with a 3-3 tie.

Next up:
Dr. Octopus

Captain America Falcon

Who you got peeps?

Missiles, automatic pistols, an attack drone, military training and experience as a soldier and Avenger fighting invading alien armies bent on genocide - and a massive mobility advantage.....against a disgruntled scientist with 4 powerful robot arms.

Well, if Doc Ock's plot armour isn't a factor and the fight doesn't happen in a small room, and Sam isn't t a complete idiot.....he should take this about 9/10 of times.

Even if Ock rips off a wing, Sam would bust a cap in his dome - game over.