MCU X-Men - Part 1

[psylockolussus]

Well they don't necessarily need to introduce 8 b listers. Including Storm, Psylocke, Bishop seem fair. But I'd rather see them use Sunfire instead of race bending any of the o5.

As for Xavier.. He doesn't need to be around every time to remind me what X-Men's vision is. Don't you think being established, Cyclops, and the rest can't spread the X-Men's vision and message?

 

[Marvel united]

They didn't start the story of Hulk and Spider-Man in the MCu without their powers. What's so bad if they start the X-Men and they are already established and there are already a dozen of squad members. We've gotten the team origin before in a film. As long as they can get the essence of the X-Men, saving a world that fears them, its all good. They are also never gonna run out of stories from the comic books.

Um, both Hulk and Homecoming started with Banner and Parker merely months into them having become their alter ego. That's different from starting with a team that's been around for a decade with already a huge roster

 

[psylockolussus]

I didn't say a decade, also the X-Men don't stop being interesting when they are already well established. Well the early X-Men films kinda did that, the X-Men were already established, they just didn't prioritize characters like Jean, Cyclops and Storm. Even Beast was an old time member. Its the eXecution that would be the deciding factor. They don't need to start young and clueless.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't get why Spider-Man Homecoming deserves so much credit. Peter Parker was still a white guy.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't get why Spider-Man Homecoming deserves so much credit. Peter Parker was still a white guy.

MJ, Ned and Peter's love interest.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I still maintain we should get the older mutants as established team members and let the focus be on a new class of students which have more diverse characters to choose from.

 

[DACrowe]

You could easily say the same thing about the X-Men you said about the Fantastic Four. Doing a more comic accurate take would be different enough, no need for some radical reinvention. The difference between Spider-Man and X-Men is that the latter never embraced the source material, never did any character justice outside of Wolverine, Charles and Erik. The former had a great trilogy that was practically the embodiment of the Silver Age comics. X-Men never had that luxury so theres zero need to completely reinvent the property in a similar way as Homecoming

First, I'd like to say I love seeing people recognizing how great the Raimi trilogy is again. For years (namely 2011-2017), they were treated with nothing but derision for being so "inaccurate." But after seeing how many MORE liberties Marvel Studios took with the character (even though they got his personality mostly better than Raimi), folks are reappraising that trilogy I notice.

As for:

You could easily say the same thing about the X-Men you said about the Fantastic Four.

.... No you really can't. As much as folks are now trying to dismiss and undercut the whole Fox era of X-Men--ahem, much like the Raimi trilogy--in lieu of a future MCU X-Men, there are things Singer and co. got very right. You concede Wolverine, Xavier, and Magneto, but also the way the conflict and thematic subtext of the X-Men are presented; the civil rights element (which grew in very fascinating and scary ways in Logan); the dynamic between mutants and humans; and on a personal aside, I think they got the head-scratching confusing nature of all the time travel and future dystopias between DOFP, Logan, and apparently Deadpool 2 quite right.



.... ANYWAY, my point is these elements have been done so thoroughly at Fox there will be major changes. Kevin Feige is too smart to repeat things too much. If you don't think so, look at Peter Parker's entire supporting cast, including Aunt May, his motivations for being a superhero (I want to be an Avenger!), and his relationship with Tony Stark replacing Uncle Ben.

... There will be substantial changes for differentiation's sake. And probably none are better targets than completely reinventing Xavier and Magneto, and their whole conflict.

 

[psylockolussus]

I just can't wait to see Rogue kicking ass along with the other core X-Men. And oh what a joy if Psylocke and Angel are finally in the team. While I've been wanting to see Gambit in the team since X2.

Fox could have easily gave us those since the 2000s but no! Rogue underused! Angel and Psylocke are mute villain! Gambit the movie can't keep a director to commit! Seriously, what a mess. And that's just four characters.

 

[psylockolussus]

I still maintain we should get the older mutants as established team members and let the focus be on a new class of students which have more diverse characters to choose from.

That sounds like X-Men: The Next Generation or Young X-Men to me.

 

[Shikamaru]

I don't get why Spider-Man Homecoming deserves so much credit. Peter Parker was still a white guy.

It's not just the diversity. I think it's also the fact they modernized the 1960s youth counterculture metaphor from the early Spider-Man comics for a Millennial audience.

The implication is that an MCU X-Men film would update the Civil Rights metaphor about just as much. It wouldn't be just a metaphor for MLK and Malcolm X but with racebent mutants; the negative experiences of those mutants will feel more contemporary.

 

[ironwez20]

Lol what if they made jean grey black and storm white? I’d be so mad. Hopefully we get a great storm. After Halle it’s been awful imo.

 

[Marvel united]

I still maintain we should get the older mutants as established team members and let the focus be on a new class of students which have more diverse characters to choose from.

A premise like that would make more sense in the Fox Universe that has been around for nearly 20 years- not in the first film of a franchise in the the MCU. Maybe after MCU X-Men 3 then can do a legacy/passing of the baton story

 

[Protar]

It doesn't really make much sense to have a long established team of mutants in the MCU. I think it will come across as a little cheap if they try to tell us that mutants have always been around but just were never mentioned before. Instead, we'll probably have an event in the MCU where the X-gene is activated world-wide, mostly affecting teenagers whose bodies are already changing and mutable. There'll have been a few rare naturally activated mutants like Xavier who have been around for a while, but primarily MCUtants will just recently have come into their powers. The first X-men film will take place within the first several months of the school.

As for the lineup, I think a team of a six, a mix of the original and more obscure members is best:

• Jean Grey
• Cyclops
• Beast
• Bishop
• Jubilee
• Kitty Pryde

And Xavier of course. I'm envisioning a latinx Kitty Pryde, a west Asian Beast and a black Xavier. Storm is a must for the MCU but I'd love to see her in Black Panther before intersecting with the Xmen in the future. Likewise I could see Psylocke as a co-lead in a Captain Britain film.

 

[Iceman]

Well they don't necessarily need to introduce 8 b listers. Including Storm, Psylocke, Bishop seem fair. But I'd rather see them use Sunfire instead of race bending any of the o5.

Ok but that's what I've been saying anyway. Just introduce Storm in a big way and have Psylocke on the team, with Jubilee as the main student who gets involved (POV character) and Forge in the mansion to start off with.

As for Xavier.. He doesn't need to be around every time to remind me what X-Men's vision is. Don't you think being established, Cyclops, and the rest can't spread the X-Men's vision and message?

We're only talking about for the first ever MCU film. Once that vision is established you can change things up. Don't think anyone was saying he needed to be in every film after that.

 

[Marvel united]

Isn't Kitty technically* already a minority? I don't think she needs a race swap.

 

[Protar]

Isn't Kitty technically* already a minority? I don't think she needs a race swap.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten. I'm not a comic reader so l miss little details like that sometimes.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Should this happen, I think Feige & co would be best to concentrate on characters that haven't exploited by the movies very much (and Wolverine, of course).

I'm thinking of Gambit, Psylocke, Jubilee, Angel, etc.

 

[Iceman]

Should this happen, I think Feige & co would be best to concentrate on characters that haven't exploited by the movies very much (and Wolverine, of course).

I'm thinking of Gambit, Psylocke, Jubilee, Angel, etc.

I’d like to see all those covered within the first 2 films. I think they should start with Psylocke and Jubilee off the bat.

 

[enygma]

On the subject of race-lifting, I'll admit that the original 60's gang are the whitest kids in the world, but starting with the Giant Size retooling, the X-Men books have achieved one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse ensembles in fiction. Race-lifting a couple characters is certainly possible, but for the X-Men it can just be a matter of selecting the right cast. If they want Natives they've got Forge, Mirage, and the Proudstar brothers. If they want Hispanics they've got Feral, Rictor, Sunspot, or Cecilia Reyes. For the UK we got Banshee, Siryn, the Braddocks, Chamber, Pixie. For east Asia we got Jubilee, Sunfire, Armor, Karma. And so on and so forth. Not saying they shouldn't race-lift ever, I'd just like to see them embrace the cast they've got.

I'm sorry, what?

 

[CaptainWagner]

That sounds like X-Men: The Next Generation or Young X-Men to me.

A premise like that would make more sense in the Fox Universe that has been around for nearly 20 years- not in the first film of a franchise in the the MCU. Maybe after MCU X-Men 3 then can do a legacy/passing of the baton story

For me, the most interesting part of the X-Men is always the students. And we've already seen them "come of age" and star in two separate franchises. I' much more prefer getting fresh faces and focusing on the heart of the mutant world. And given how popular nostalgic kid adventures are these days (Stranger Things, It, etc...) I fully expect Marvel to capitalize on that with the X-Men.

 

[ernesth100]

Am I the only one completely tired of Young X-Men? They've done it to death with Spidey. We really don't need anymore of that in the MCU. Especially when there's so many more interesting plots they can do.

 

[Iceman]

I'd like to see them develop both a main team and an underlying body of students at the same time who can eventually graduate at different times to the main team.

 

[ernesth100]

I'd like to see them develop both a main team and an underlying body of students at the same time who can eventually graduate at different times to the main team.

Good idea. I haven't even thought about it that way. The main team could be the veterans we all know an love. Xavier, Storm, Jean, Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, Rogue and Nightcrawler

With the younger members training under these veteran mutants. We could have Iceman, Jubilee, Havoc, Kitty and Angel.

 

[Shikamaru]

They don't have to be in high school, but I would like them to be at least college-aged. I still like the idea of the X-Mansion acting as a dorm for international students going into college. That would ve a good way to introduce international characters like Storm to members like Scott and Jean, who you could say have been living with the Professor since high school.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm sorry, what?