MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Protar]

Xavier wouldn't realistically teach every high school subject himself. Start the school with old Mr. Lehnsherr as the history teacher, solemnly lecturing about man's inhumanity to man through time.

Sure, but my point is that he wouldn't be training these kids as soldiers. His institute would be a school. It would be the kids themselves who decide to use their powers to become heroes.

 

[Havok83]

With all due respect not a good idea imo. Infact I want the sentinel program to predate Iron Man but just never got legislation until recently due to events maybe partially to do with the Avengers but more specifically mutants becoming more of a growing threat to American people according to the likes of Trask. That's as connected to the Avengers as I'd go.

Im not sure if predating IM makes sense. Why would someone pour millions into that if mutantkind isnt widely known and a threat? The "solution" to the problem should come after the problem, not before

 

[Spider-Fan]

Sure, but my point is that he wouldn't be training these kids as soldiers. His institute would be a school. It would be the kids themselves who decide to use their powers to become heroes.

This would be my approach as well.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm really curious to see how they explain Adamantium when it's already established that Vibranium is the strongest metal this side of Wakanda.

 

[Havok83]

I'm really curious to see how they explain Adamantium when it's already established that Vibranium is the strongest metal this side of Wakanda.

Adamantium is an artificial meta. Just say it was discovered and kept secret by the Weapon X facility. OR they can just say its nearly as strong as vibranium. This is really a minor detail that I dont think will matter much

 

[The Infernal]

It would be a great way to set up who the xmen are though. The avengers are the establishment and the xmen are often getting kicked around by the establishment.

Obviously we’re not saying stark should build the sentinels but it would be fascinating if they were inspired by him

This just seems misguided to me. It's a stretch to say this would set up some Avengers over X-men dynamic, especially when that is nothing like the main point of the X-men. It would only tie it to Stark and it would obviously not be because he intentionally let that technology be used for Sentinels. And again it just shrinks the world in a needless way.

 

[Marvel united]

Adamantium is an artificial meta. Just say it was discovered and kept secret by the Weapon X facility. OR they can just say its nearly as strong as vibranium. This is really a minor detail that I dont think will matter much

It needs to be stronger. Otherwise T'Challa and Cap could easily out down Wolverine

 

[Havok83]

It needs to be stronger. Otherwise T'Challa and Cap could easily out down Wolverine

Not really. If the differences between the two metals are negligible, then it doesnt matter.

Why would they need to be fighting anyway? Wolverine doesnt only have a shot at them bc his bones/claws are stronger. Thats ridiculous

 

[Jh7058622]

Im not sure if predating IM makes sense. Why would someone pour millions into that if mutantkind isnt widely known and a threat? The "solution" to the problem should come after the problem, not before

You missed the whole other part of my statement which was they are trying to deal with not only mutants but powered people in general which everyone knows has been going on since at least WW2. Iron man wasn't the first Avenger or the second one for that matter. Something more recent that involves mutants specifically could spearhead the program to the forefront after years of being vetoed. With the registration act and everything else there could be some resistance forming. These could be the byproduct of said resistance.

 

[Havok83]

You missed the whole other part of my statement which was they are trying to deal with not only mutants but powered people in general which everyone knows has been going on since at least WW2. Iron man wasn't the first Avenger or the second one for that matter. Something more recent that involves mutants specifically could spearhead the program to the forefront after years of being vetoed. With the registration act and everything else there could be some resistance forming. These could be the byproduct of said resistance.

Thats not something you spelled out in your previous post but fair enough. I think if you make the sentinels for all powered beings and not mutants, then this becomes more than an X-men problem. Like if sentinels are used in X-men, then theoretically Spider-Man, Captain America, etc... should be involved given the implications

With that said if and when they do Sentinels, I hope its an adaptation of OZT with Bastion as the main villian. The Prime Sentinels are such a cool concept that needs to be adapted onscreen. I would have Karima introduced in the first film as a human teacher or ally at the school and later turn her into a Prime Sentinel, which sets her up to join as Omega Sentinel by the 3rd film. Thats an interesting arc for a minor character that gets elevated into a main character over the course of the trilogy

 

[Jh7058622]

It needs to be stronger. Otherwise T'Challa and Cap could easily out down Wolverine

*Adamantium, generally speaking, is THE most durable metal in the Marvel Universe. Even more durable than Vibranium.*

This is the distinction that needs to be made.

Source:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/black-panther-vibranium-adamantium-stronger-wolverine/amp/

 

[Mangle77]

With that said if and when they do Sentinels, I hope its an adaptation of OZT with Bastion as the main villian. The Prime Sentinels are such a cool concept that needs to be adapted onscreen.

I kinda dig this idea; and if you want to tie them to the Stark/Trask anagram, why not say that the Prime Sentinel technology is based on either the Extremis nanotech A.I.M. used in Iron Man 3, the nanotech Stark uses in his suit in Infinity War, or a combination of the two?

 

[mdoddr]

Sentinels could be re purposed Hammer Tech from IM2. You could have Hammer working with Trask, or Senator Kelly, or both.


For me the biggest problem, though it isn't really a problem, is that there would have to be at least 9 core "X-Men" movies. To get anything done properly. If we ever want to build up to Inferno, the mutant massacre, Age of Apocalypse, or Phalanx Covenant, let alone the Dark Phoenix Saga, there is so much ground to cover. There would almost certainly have to be other side films that could introduce concepts and build the world out a bit without being an "X-Men" movie.



I'm thinking Alpha Flight, Captain Britain, Starjammers...

What other titles could be X-Men films that aren't "X-Men" films?

 

[MasterCat]

Sentinels could be re purposed Hammer Tech from IM2. You could have Hammer working with Trask, or Senator Kelly, or both.

Bolivar Trask should be the project leader for Sentinel police robots produced by a corporation like Hammer.

For me the biggest problem, though it isn't really a problem, is that there would have to be at least 9 core "X-Men" movies. To get anything done properly. If we ever want to build up to Inferno, the mutant massacre, Age of Apocalypse, or Phalanx Covenant, let alone the Dark Phoenix Saga, there is so much ground to cover. There would almost certainly have to be other side films that could introduce concepts and build the world out a bit without being an "X-Men" movie.

... what? I have no idea what you mean by needing 9 films to build up to a big event.

 

[Havok83]

Sentinels could be re purposed Hammer Tech from IM2. You could have Hammer working with Trask, or Senator Kelly, or both.


For me the biggest problem, though it isn't really a problem, is that there would have to be at least 9 core "X-Men" movies. To get anything done properly. If we ever want to build up to Inferno, the mutant massacre, Age of Apocalypse, or Phalanx Covenant, let alone the Dark Phoenix Saga, there is so much ground to cover. There would almost certainly have to be other side films that could introduce concepts and build the world out a bit without being an "X-Men" movie.



I'm thinking Alpha Flight, Captain Britain, Starjammers...

What other titles could be X-Men films that aren't "X-Men" films?

None of those are core X-men franchises that are needed to build up those stories. Starjammers would be cool as a Guardians alternative but they got some shoes to fill. To answer your question though, the obvious answers would be the various spinoff titles

New Mutants/Generation X/etc to round out a younger cast,focus on school, have a different vibe

X-Factor - they could be based on the government group and show mutants as an organized police force of sorts

Excalibur - weird, crazy and comical

Solo films - outside of the obvious Wolverine one, Cable, Madrox (Fox wasnt wrong with this)

 

[Iceman]

With that said if and when they do Sentinels, I hope its an adaptation of OZT with Bastion as the main villian. The Prime Sentinels are such a cool concept that needs to be adapted onscreen. I would have Karima introduced in the first film as a human teacher or ally at the school and later turn her into a Prime Sentinel, which sets her up to join as Omega Sentinel by the 3rd film. Thats an interesting arc for a minor character that gets elevated into a main character over the course of the trilogy

Count me in for that!

 

[Silvermoth]

Would anyone else like a part 1 and a part 2 to the first xmen movie like they did with infinity war? That way everyone gets to see their fave character. You have a bit in the first movie with everyone in it and then we mostly follow the original xmen, then part two is all new all different and then they reunite.

Pretty obvious to work out what to call part 1 and 2. Blue and gold. Disney can afford it

 

[MasterCat]

I don't see what that achieves narrative-wise.
So like Xavier has a dozen students plus Wolverine at the beginning, no explanation of who these kids are as individuals, then suddenly half of them are captured, disappear, and are the heroes of the next movie?

 

[Jh7058622]

No what Silvermoth means is have the first part chronicle the original team then the second one would be the forming of the Giant Sized X-Men. Which I'm not sure if that's rushing into things but could work potentially.

 

[Jh7058622]

Thats not something you spelled out in your previous post but fair enough. I think if you make the sentinels for all powered beings and not mutants, then this becomes more than an X-men problem. Like if sentinels are used in X-men, then theoretically Spider-Man, Captain America, etc... should be involved given the implications

With that said if and when they do Sentinels, I hope its an adaptation of OZT with Bastion as the main villian. The Prime Sentinels are such a cool concept that needs to be adapted onscreen. I would have Karima introduced in the first film as a human teacher or ally at the school and later turn her into a Prime Sentinel, which sets her up to join as Omega Sentinel by the 3rd film. Thats an interesting arc for a minor character that gets elevated into a main character over the course of the trilogy

I actually did say that. Reread my post.

I do like that idea though I don't like the Prime Sentinels being the first trilogy. I see that further down the road.

 

[mdoddr]

None of those are core X-men franchises that are needed to build up those stories. Starjammers would be cool as a Guardians alternative but they got some shoes to fill. To answer your question though, the obvious answers would be the various spinoff titles

New Mutants/Generation X/etc to round out a younger cast,focus on school, have a different vibe

X-Factor - they could be based on the government group and show mutants as an organized police force of sorts

Excalibur - weird, crazy and comical

Solo films - outside of the obvious Wolverine one, Cable, Madrox (Fox wasnt wrong with this)

I understand that they aren't actual X-Men franchises. I guess what I'm getting at is that some of the films in the current MCU rely on the existence of the Core Avengers films to gain an audience. In return they embellish and build the world up around the Avengers in a way that those films can use later on. It symbiotic. Black Panther fleshed out Wakanda so that it could later be of use in IW. Black Panther was a massive success but we all know that was much less likely (even the film being made was) without the popularity of the Avengers et al. So there is some back scratching between them.

In this way I think a Starjammers film could introduce things like the Shi'ar empire, the M'Krann crystal, The Brood, etc. so that those things would be on the table when the X-Men need them.

Alpha Flight could intro Wolverine.



Captain Britain would set up Psylocke and CB himself.

So to that end I was wondering what other non-x-men-but-x-men-adjacent titles could help carry the expository load for these stories.


Power Pack?

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I personally would like to see other X-Men appear in other MCU movies before transitioning into the main X films. So if Storm can be introduced in Black Panther 2 (as an Allie to T’Challa), Rogue/Mystique’s BOH in Captain Marvel 2, honestly they retcon Wolverine and Magneto’s origin in Captain America. They both could be included in a scene similar to XEVO where Cap and Logan helped free the holocaust prisoners where Magneto used his powers to deflect a bomb, but Cap didn’t see him do that. Basically Logan has been around he was just a character never seen in the army.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Oh it also be dope if Hank was a scientist teacher and Kitty at the high school Spider-Man attends in the homecoming sequel. Not a big role just a quick cameo but I doubt the buyout will not happen before the movie starts filming unless they add it in post production. I would love to see a mid credits scene that shows Xavier recruiting Storm, Rogue, Hank, Logan for the X-Men.

 

[Bayne]

I'm really curious to see how they explain Adamantium when it's already established that Vibranium is the strongest metal this side of Wakanda.

Adamantium is created in a lab by people trying to find an alternative to Vibranium (or trying to make Vibranium even better).

 

[DawnWarrior]

Presumably Adamantium is just plain whacked-out invincible to all attacks, while vibranium can do all that extra cool sciencey stuff like heal bullet wounds and propel trains.