MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Silvermoth]

I don't see what that achieves narrative-wise.
So like Xavier has a dozen students plus Wolverine at the beginning, no explanation of who these kids are as individuals, then suddenly half of them are captured, disappear, and are the heroes of the next movie?

Yeah so it begins with the team already formed. You see bits of the other team but it mainly sets up the original xmen, what they stand for and the world they’re in. And then as a cliffhanger at the end they get captured.

Then part 2 starts with the all new all different xmen going to rescue them. So half the team gets developed first and then the second next

 

[Tg11]

I personally would like to see other X-Men appear in other MCU movies before transitioning into the main X films. So if Storm can be introduced in Black Panther 2 (as an Allie to T’Challa), Rogue/Mystique’s BOH in Captain Marvel 2, honestly they retcon Wolverine and Magneto’s origin in Captain America. They both could be included in a scene similar to XEVO where Cap and Logan helped free the holocaust prisoners where Magneto used his powers to deflect a bomb, but Cap didn’t see him do that. Basically Logan has been around he was just a character never seen in the army.

Perfect way to introduce them one by one

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Perfect way to introduce them one by one

Right! I feel MCU’s “ Uncanny X-Men” (please use that title!) will be their biggest team up film if they decide to not go with a New Avengers film right away. Plus it will bring excitement to the fans that the X-Men are coming.

 

[Jh7058622]

None of those are core X-men franchises that are needed to build up those stories. Starjammers would be cool as a Guardians alternative but they got some shoes to fill. To answer your question though, the obvious answers would be the various spinoff titles

New Mutants/Generation X/etc to round out a younger cast,focus on school, have a different vibe

X-Factor - they could be based on the government group and show mutants as an organized police force of sorts

Excalibur - weird, crazy and comical

Solo films - outside of the obvious Wolverine one, Cable, Madrox (Fox wasnt wrong with this)

I'd rather see X-factor Investigations honestly. It diversifies the way the XVerse is seen and there more interesting stories are there (it also bridges Generation X with it)

 

[Havok83]

I'd rather see X-factor Investigations honestly. It diversifies the way the XVerse is seen and there more interesting stories are there (it also bridges Generation X with it)

That can be handled within Madrox which is how it all started

 

[Detective Conan]

Man, these threads are going to be a little awkward if the Fox/Disney deal falls apart....

The nature of the thread will turn from predictions/ideas on what Marvel will do with them to “what if the Marvel did get the rights back what would they do?!” hypotheticals. The steam will taken out from these of the deal falls apart.

 

[Silvermoth]

Nah we’ll just make a Comcast fantastic four/x-men thread

Although the rage is definitely going to be terrible

 

[Herofan]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

 

[MasterCat]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

Characters ended up having screwy ages.
They never did anything with Mystique being a mother, despite writing Azazel into First Class.
Vaguely gesturing at the existence of popular X-characters you don't have time to develop (Last Stand).
Cramming a beloved comics arc into a subplot (Last Stand).

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Nah we’ll just make a Comcast fantastic four/x-men thread

Although the rage is definitely going to be terrible

If Comcast wins the deal they will reboot x-men too ?

 

[Shikamaru]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

Not enough of a team dynamic. Every X-Men film until Apocalypse focused on 1 or 2 X-Men with the others as supporting characters.

Always trying to be big in scale. Not showing enough of day-to-day life of being a mutant (Deadpool 2 is an exception to this). Basically same problem as the Sony Spider-Man films.

Too whitewashed even by comic book standards. Singer seems to dislike foreign accents.

Continuity all over the place. They fixed it with with DOFP only to screw it up again.

Outside of First Class, lack of enough color and comic book costumes.

Wolverine's relationship with Sabertooth. Nonexistent in the Fox films outside Origins. Good way for Marvel to differentiate themselves from Jackman.

Humorless Iceman. I'm hoping for version a little closer to Peter Parker and Johnny Storm's optimism.

Cyclops (to be fair decent in Apocalypse and there's still one film to go).

 

[psylockolussus]

If Comcast wins the deal they will reboot x-men too ?

I don't think they would.

 

[Silvermoth]

If Comcast wins the deal they will reboot x-men too ?

In the end, all things are rebooted eventually

 

[Jh7058622]

If Comcast wins the deal they will reboot x-men too ?

Yeah maybe. Maybe not. It depends on if James and co wanted to continue I'd wager.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

90% of cast exists seemingly to showcase mutant abilities. Most don't have noteworthy or distinct personalities or character, and some even have little to no dialogue.

Too much insistence on "grounding" the story and setting and and a reluctance to embrace the more out there aspects of the franchise. They say "too intergalactic" like it's a dirty word, as if they go there the movie becomes "less", immature, and unsophisticated, which they apparently see their work as.

 

[Abudefduf]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

Well, they could start by finally giving classic Marvel characters such as Storm, Beast, Doom etc. their due and not treating them so bad that people start preferring nobodies like Shuri or Groot or Scott Lang to them.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

However if Fox dosnt make another F4 movie until 2020, MCU gets F4's rights back
But if fox would made Dr Doom movie without F4 team ??

 

[psylockolussus]

I doubt they could make it to the deadline.

 

[Detective Conan]

However if Fox dosnt make another F4 movie until 2020, MCU gets F4's rights back
But if fox would made Dr Doom movie without F4 team ??

This is the same studio that made an Elektra movie without Daredevil. Fox, if they’re willing, certainly would since it would act as a more frugal alternative to making another hundred million dollar Fantastic Four film again and risk losing money. It’d be the cheapest way to beat the deadline clock and keep the rights.

The real question isn’t “would they?” it’s more “could they?”

Depends. If things go south on the merger and Disney loses Fox to Comcast then theoretically that would grant Fox enough time to get that Doctor Doom film rolling as that would no longer have the threat of a Fox/Disney merger since the rights will stay with Fox as they always have, and a Comcast merger with Fox will essentially resetting the merger clock again. So even if Comcast acquire Fox and want to scrap the Doom it wouldn’t matter until the ink is try and the merger is 100% approved so seeing as it’ll take quite awhile for a merger with Comcast to happen then there’s still a lot of time between Fox being a seperate entity and their merger with Comcast. Enough time for Fox to put out a Doom film within that space to keep the FF rights.

 

[NEXUS 6]

MCU X-Men


I'd introduce after the dust settles from Thanos, and use the mutant question to frame themes of personal responsibility. Without getting too heavy, adolescent mutant powers are actually a pretty scary thought. Young people having access to things that would make our current juvenile violence epidemic comparatively small potatoes is something that I think Xavier would recognize and whose potential he would be be tremendously afraid of, so he's pulling mutants from society and keeping humanity totally in the dark through memory wipes and manipulating perceptions. Xavier's School does not train crime fighters, it isolates them from a world that Xavier is convinced would hate them, if it knew they existed. He trains them and is the protector of mutant secrecy. Sort of pre-emptive avoidance of mutant registration and all that.



However, this leads to a lot of personal turmoil for kids (some of whom are passably human) who want to interact with the world and are confident in their abilities to handle their mutancy responsibly. They don't like being on lockdown, basically. Ultimately, they'd convince Xavier that it's unethical to keep mutants hidden, even if it is for the greater good.



Of course, you need villains who lend themselves to these themes but are not Magneto or Mystique. I'd go with X-Cutioner, as an FBI/Shield/Whatever Agency agent who cottons on to the the secret mutant menace and steals a bunch of tech to kill mutants with. He finds out about Xavier's School as the turning point in the second act, when the burgeoning X-Men rescue a target of his. Secondary villain would need to be someone who operates on a massive scale, forcing the X-Men into the light of day (Juggernaut, probably, especially as he would lend and additional personal conflict to Xavier's narrative).




Teachers:

Xavier (limited screen time, he's sort of the Dumbledore of the film)

George Clooney would be my longshot, but...

Kyle MachLachlan is more realistic.



Storm (the Iron Man sized role)

DeWanda Wise


Beast

Sean Astin


Forge

Tokala Clifford






Kids:

Shadowcat

Hailee Steinfeld



Cyclops

Blake Jenner


Jean

Lily James



Iceman

Nick Robinson



Rogue

Eiza Gonzalez







X-Cutioner

Jon Hamm


(Future Characters: Daniel Craig as Magneto, Travis Fimmel as Sabretooth, Dane DeHaan as Toad, and Christopher Abbott as Wolverine)

 

[MasterCat]

I'd introduce after the dust settles from Thanos, and use the mutant question to frame themes of personal responsibility. Without getting too heavy, adolescent mutant powers are actually a pretty scary thought. Young people having access to things that would make our current juvenile violence epidemic comparatively small potatoes is something that I think Xavier would recognize and whose potential he would be be tremendously afraid of, so he's pulling mutants from society and keeping humanity totally in the dark through memory wipes and manipulating perceptions. Xavier's School does not train crime fighters, it isolates them from a world that Xavier is convinced would hate them, if it knew they existed. He trains them and is the protector of mutant secrecy. Sort of pre-emptive avoidance of mutant registration and all that.



However, this leads to a lot of personal turmoil for kids (some of whom are passably human) who want to interact with the world and are confident in their abilities to handle their mutancy responsibly. They don't like being on lockdown, basically. Ultimately, they'd convince Xavier that it's unethical to keep mutants hidden, even if it is for the greater good.

Agreed so far... however note that the more people MCU Xavier mindwipes, the more he looks like the villain and not the good-hearted Patrick Stewart version.
But then you go and say that Storm and Beast should be old, which makes no sense. Storm especially is the sort who would make big flashy contributions with her powers for the ten years before Xavier starts "pulling mutants from society and keeping humanity totally in the dark." Plus she has the one of the most interesting backstories, which we'd never get to see unless she's introduced with Xavier recruiting her.
Magneto and Mystique should absolutely be in the first movie. Especially if you hold back Wolverine, the sequel is going to need to justify why we never saw him, Sabretooth, or the Hellfire Club Mutants in the 11+ years of MCU time between Iron Man and X-Men. Introducing every old Mutant in the second movie would get ridiculous. And speaking of old, Magneto's actor needs to be Ian McKellen's age, someone like Al Pacino or even older. This is not a character who should be deferred for a sequel filmed in, like, 2024 for 2025 release.

 

[psylockolussus]

Lol @ Comcast being rejected again!

https://movieweb.com/fox-accepts-disney-71-billion-bid-comcast/

 

[Raiden]

What flaws do you think the Fox series had that X-Men films by Marvel Studios should try to avoid? Aside from excessive focus on Wolverine and maybe Magneto?

-Alex and Scott Summers not being brothers and live in different timeline.
-Colossus and Kitty Pryde barely knew each other despite being one of the best
X-Men couples in the comics.
-Rogue never developed much beyond her first movie.
-Cyclops not being the real leader of X-Men, and always play second to
Wolverine as well as being wooden & uninteresting.
-No history of Xavier with his first 5 original students (which I think it's
important).
-No Mauraders nor Mr. Sinister! We need another great mutant villain team
aside from the Brotherhood.
-Murlocks! They were poorly conceived in X3.

Anyway, these are some of the things I wish MCU X-Men will do better.

 

[fan4stic]

Agreed so far... however note that the more people MCU Xavier mindwipes, the more he looks like the villain and not the good-hearted Patrick Stewart version.

I would like to differentiate him from the Stewart version.

 

[jignat]

Id like it if they get an American guy for Xavier this time around.

Nothing against Stewart/McAvoy.