MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Havok83]

Then you've just given Wolverine Gambit's backstory. Gambit should be the one to track down and form Sinister's Mauraders. That way you can set up the trial of Gambit storyline.



Having them separate would just be silly. Audiences want to see them together and explaining why they're both now back at Marvel proper and can never crossover would just make for a convoluted mess.

Its not Gambit's storyline as Gambit was never written as a villian. Wolverine's introduction in the Ultimate universe is quite different than Gambit's in the 616 and later retcon

 

[psylockolussus]

OK, so you're for a rebooted X-Men-only universe.
I don't think Feige will go for that.

Again read the older posts... I said a few films. Stop putting words into my mouth.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=36542937&highlight=#post36542937

That one took me a while to find it, so don't imply things that I have never said. People want to see the X-Men cross over with the Avengers eventually, that's obvious.

 

[Detective Conan]

Having the Mutants rebooted into a separate universe only to then cross them over into the MCU with inter-dimensional-travel is very pointless. Just integrate the mutants into the MCU naturally. Just have the Mutants always exist in the MCU but their surplus of populace(prior to Avengers 4) was so scarce that there hardly any proof of mutated humans beyond some rumors floating here there. The X-gene starts manifesting itself in humans on a widespread scale after Thanos is defeated. Before that, Mutants like Xavier, Magneto, and Wolverine have existed in MCU but they're able to 'blend' into regular human society and keep their mutant powers a secret and fell under the radar.

 

[psylockolussus]

Your opinion. It is not pointless to me as it would be an eXplaination why mutants weren't even mentioned in all 20 something MCU movies. Also it could lead the X-Men doing their own thing for a few or couple of films without reminding us of the other Marvel characters. Anyway, their X-Men mythos is so large, that it wouldn't hurt if they stand on their own feet first. Also the cross over would have been something that we have never seen before in a live action Marvel film., alternate realities clashing together in a MCU film. This is basically the answer to their Secret Wars as implied by the Russo Brothers.

 

[Detective Conan]

Your opinion. It is not pointless to me as it would be an eXplaination why mutants weren't even mentioned in all 20 something MCU movies. Also it could lead the X-Men doing their own thing for a few or couple of films without reminding us of the other Marvel characters. Anyway, their X-Men mythos is so large, that it wouldn't hurt if they stand on their own feet first. Also the cross over would have been something that we have never seen before in a live action Marvel film., alternate realities clashing together in a MCU film. This is basically the answer to their Secret Wars as implied by the Russo Brothers.

It wouldn't be necessary if you just make the widespread manifestation of the X-gene in humanity a recent phenomenon that until after Avengers 4 was a very rare thing that simply fell under the radar enough for it not to be publicly identified.

 

[Marvel united]

Then you've just given Wolverine Gambit's backstory. Gambit should be the one to track down and form Sinister's Mauraders. That way you can set up the trial of Gambit storyline.



Having them separate would just be silly. Audiences want to see them together and explaining why they're both now back at Marvel proper and can never crossover would just make for a convoluted mess.

This. It sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon. What is the point of rebooting the X-Men only to have them start in a completely separate universe? Just introduce them in the MCU proper

 

[psylockolussus]

Mutants have been around forever, what storyline from the comics suddenly have the mutant population get a massive increase only for them to be relevant in the Marvel Universe? Nadda. After Thanos, aliens and all these superheroes, the only reason why the X-Men/mutants are introduced so late because Marvel Stud10s didn't have them and that would be felt in the films. Unlike Spidey, sorcerers and Fantastic Four, the mutants can't be introduced so late and act like as if there were in the shadows all all along, as a mutant can literally be anybody.

AgainI like what the Russos were hinting.

 

[Marvel united]

Mutants have been around forever, what storyline from the comics suddenly have the mutant population get a massive increase only for them to be relevant in the Marvel Universe? Nadda. After Thanos, aliens and all these superheroes, the only reason why the X-Men/mutants are introduced so late because Marvel Stud10s didn't have them and that would be felt in the films. Unlike Spidey, sorcerers and Fantastic Four, the mutants can't be introduced so late and act like as if there were in the shadows all all along, as a mutant can literally be anybody.

AgainI like what the Russos were hinting.

......Which is why the MCU X-Men need to start from the begining of the X-Men. It makes too much sense to show the rise of mutant hatred, mutants popping up everywhere and mass hysteria organically within the MCU.

 

[psylockolussus]

This. It sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon. What is the point of rebooting the X-Men only to have them start in a completely separate universe? Just introduce them in the MCU proper

To not make them look like they have been useless, irrelevant and inactive during the first three phases? LikeI said mutants have been around since forever, you just can't introduce them instantly and act like there were especially after zero Appearances in the first 20something MCU films and suddenly mutants are everywhere. It feels forced and contrived.

 

[psylockolussus]

......Which is why the MCU X-Men need to start from the begining of the X-Men. It makes too much sense to show the rise of mutant hatred, mutants popping up everywhere and mass hysteria organically within the MCU.

Again this is not just about the start of the X-Men. If the X-Men are the only mutants in this world, like there are only 1 Peter Parker, Sue Storm, Johnny Storm, Reed Richard and Ben Grimm. It'd be easy, but mutants are a group of species and not all mutants are under the X-Men, like I said they can be anyone in any place.

And point two,no need for another X-Men origin story regardless how different the roster or the development of the characters are, it is still an origin story. See tasm.

 

[MasterCat]

OK, let's fancast a quasi-Kirby/Lee X-Men for the MCU.

Willow Shields as Jean Grey.

Ed Oxenbould as Scott Summers.

Skai Jackson as Storm.

Ashton Sanders as a hip, joking Beast (inspired by his '70s comics appearances between becoming fuzzy and becoming a mature man).

Raymond Ochoa as Bobby "Iceman" Drake.

Garrett Hedlund as Charles Xavier.

The return of Ian McKellan as Magneto, or if he's done give Michael Caine a screen test to see if he can pull off a grandfatherly villain.

Elizabeth Olsen as the Scarlet Witch.

Mila Kunis as Mystique. Unconventional, but she'd be like a daughter to Magneto rather than the lover of the FOX films, which made me think of this experienced Jewish actress who has the body to pull off the look no matter how revealing they make it.

... still needs more Brotherhood.

 

[psylockolussus]

All too young well the first couple of actors you've mentioned. After Dark PhoeniX, I doubt Marvel Stud10s would hire young actors for Jean/Cyclops/Nightcrawler and the rest the way FoX did recently, though of course with few eXceptions.

 

[Fincher]

Mili Kunis as Mystique. Unconventional, but she'd be like a daughter to Magneto rather than the lover of the FOX films, which made me think of this experienced Jewish actress who has the body to pull off the look no matter how revealing they make it:

That isn't Mila Kunis.

 

[Marvel united]

All too young well the first couple of actors you've mentioned. After Dark PhoeniX, I doubt Marvel Stud10s would hire young actors for Jean/Cyclops/Nightcrawler and the rest the way FoX did recently, though of course with few eXceptions.

The X-Men are 25-29 years old in Dark Phoenix. Marvel will look at the bigger picture and remember that there have been 5 movies with 30 year old actors and 2 with a young X-Men

 

[Protar]

To not make them look like they have been useless, irrelevant and inactive during the first three phases? LikeI said mutants have been around since forever, you just can't introduce them instantly and act like there were especially after zero Appearances in the first 20something MCU films and suddenly mutants are everywhere. It feels forced and contrived.

I think convoluted interdimensional crossovers feel more forced and contrived. If there were only a few mutants in existence for most of the MCU's history; mutants like Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm and Namor, living in secret not yet acting as heroes (or villains) - that explains their absence in previous Marvel films. Then you have an event which activates latent x-genes around the world, explaining the sudden explosion in mutant population. Imo a good candidate for that event would be the Eternals returning to Earth.

It's not even so different from the comics, where the use of nuclear power causes an explosion in mutant population. Mutants were once rare, a thing happened, and now they're not. That's far simpler than alternate dimensions.

 

[MasterCat]

I think convoluted interdimensional crossovers feel more forced and contrived. If there were only a few mutants in existence for most of the MCU's history; mutants like Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm and Namor, living in secret not yet acting as heroes (or villains) - that explains their absence in previous Marvel films. Then you have an event which activates latent x-genes around the world, explaining the sudden explosion in mutant population. Imo a good candidate for that event would be the Eternals returning to Earth.

It could be the Infinity radiation during the Second Alien Invasion. After all, exposure to an Infinity Stone is what activated the Maximoff kids's powers.

When did the Eternals ever leave Earth? In the Kirby comic, the protagonist Eternals had been alive since at least Mycenaean Greece and never left Earth. It was the Celestials who returned.

 

[Marvel united]

It could be the Infinity radiation during the Second Alien Invasion. After all, exposure to an Infinity Stone is what activated the Maximoff kids's powers.

When did the Eternals ever leave Earth? In the Kirby comic, the protagonist Eternals had been alive since at least Mycenaean Greece and never left Earth. It was the Celestials who returned.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Mutants have been around forever, what storyline from the comics suddenly have the mutant population get a massive increase only for them to be relevant in the Marvel Universe? Nadda. After Thanos, aliens and all these superheroes, the only reason why the X-Men/mutants are introduced so late because Marvel Stud10s didn't have them and that would be felt in the films. Unlike Spidey, sorcerers and Fantastic Four, the mutants can't be introduced so late and act like as if there were in the shadows all all along, as a mutant can literally be anybody.

AgainI like what the Russos were hinting.

Xavier is one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe, has a lot of money and technology, not to mention government connections (likely also has worked with SHIELD). There is a lot he could do to keep the existence of mutants a secret for a long time (but not forever).

 

[MasterCat]

That isn't Mila Kunis.

Oops, fixed.

Plotwise, the origin could be a more sophisticated take on the plot of X-Men #4, where the X-Men fight the Brotherhood for the first time because they're trying to conquer Santo Marco. Replace Santo Marco with the more famous Genosha, at this time just an ordinary island nation northwest of Seychelles.
At the beginning, Xavier's mansion isn't a school, just the mansion inherited from his parents where he lives with Erik. When the news starts to report young teenagers manifesting enhanced abilities, Prof. Xavier and Erik know these kids must be like them. They come up with a plan to meet their parents and invite them to send their mutant children to a prep school for people like them. Erik comes out of retirement to teach history, Xavier calls up his "sister" Raven to teach biology (& power control) and an Army veteran/teacher as gym teacher (his human step-brother Cain Marko? Or would he already hate Xavier? The inevitable Wolverine?).
Prof. Xavier and Erik have to travel the world to recruit their students. Storm is from a (real) African country near Wakanda. Maybe Hank McCoy is actually Scottish. Iceman might be Latino (Roberto Drake).
Erik is an old man who hasn't updated his fashions since he was 18, and wears a purple cape over his suit. The only other "costume" element he dons in the first film is the helmet, when he starts to get up to things he doesn't want Charles to know. The X-Men costume is introduced as blue spandex pants and yellow/blue athletic shirts they wear in PE. Some of them fight in it, but Storm at least is too fashion-conscious to be seen in public in it.
Erik needs a motivation to break with Charles. It can't be that he wants to punish Genosha for enslaving its Mutants, since they'd only have one at the most. Maybe Toad is being abused in a way that's legal in Genosha and Magneto argues that abused mutants should be taken from their parents by force and Xavier argues that they must live in peace with humans, so they can only help after each nation's version of Child Protective Services takes them away?
So Magneto puts on a telepathy-blocking helmet and he and Raven take Xavier's private jet without telling him where they're going. They invite the Scarlet Witch to help them rescue an abused child "like us." She accepts, and they use a weaponized freighter to attack Genosha. The Avengers don't respond, but Xavier deploys the Blackbird for the first time with the X-Men.
There are a few ways you could go with the third act set-piece battle, depending on what effect they want it to have on the status quo. The Brotherhood could just take Toad and try to be on their way when the X-Men confront them in an isolated area in "we don't want to fight" mode like First Class, they could fight all the way to the President's palace but be forced to retreat by the X-Men, or they could actually win. Either way, Xavier and the O5 students return to upstate New York and try to pick up the pieces of their new life.

 

[Jh7058622]

Ok question: Wolverine?

not talented enough for my tastes but looking at these pictures that just scream Logan I had to ask.

 

[HBarnill]

Why even introduce Wolverine right away after an iconic portrayal? Why not wait at least 8 years after Logan came out for people to be more accepting of a new portrayal? We waited that long for a new cinematic Joker (to very divisive results which we won’t get into here). The X-Men is more than Wolverine.

 

[MasterCat]

Why even introduce Wolverine right away after an iconic portrayal? Why not wait at least 8 years after Logan came out for people to be more accepting of a new portrayal? We waited that long for a new cinematic Joker (to very divisive results which we won’t get into here). The X-Men is more than Wolverine.

Because it doesn't make sense for him to have escaped the notice of both SHIELD and, when it gets built, Cerebro. A school also needs more teachers than just Xavier, so he's a potential recruit as gym (really self-defense/Danger Room) teacher.

Anyway, I think I know who should play Xavier: Garrett Hedlund. He has a range stretching from Disney hero (Tron: Legacy) to a conflicted Klansman (burden), and this looks like a "bald man messing with your mind" stare to me.

I'm also thinking Rogue for the sixth student. Show her bonding with Mystique, then when Xavier and the students go after Magneto and Mystique for causing an international incident in the third act, she's conflicted and chooses to fight for them rather than against them.
Did Florida-born Peyton List ever have a Southern accent?

Should Azazel exist in the MCU?

 

[The Infernal]

Its not Gambit's storyline as Gambit was never written as a villian. Wolverine's introduction in the Ultimate universe is quite different than Gambit's in the 616 and later retcon

The only real difference is that Gambit only recruits them but he does still work for Sinister. That's still villainous considering they go into massacre the Morlocks. It's too similar to Gambit and throwing Wolverine in there as well would be more convoluted and excusing Gambit completely would rob his character of a great storyline. I'm not a fan of Wolverine starting off as a villain. There's no need for it, especially when Sabretooth is a more well known Maurader member.

 

[Protar]

It could be the Infinity radiation during the Second Alien Invasion. After all, exposure to an Infinity Stone is what activated the Maximoff kids's powers.

When did the Eternals ever leave Earth? In the Kirby comic, the protagonist Eternals had been alive since at least Mycenaean Greece and never left Earth. It was the Celestials who returned.

I'm not overly familiar with Eternal's lore, so I may have got some facts muddled up. In any case, though, I think it makes sense in the MCU for the Eternals to be living off-earth at the start of their solo film, simply because I think that we're reaching the believable limit of secret superpowered groups living on earth without ever being mentioned before. Plus, we already have Thanos - an Eternal - from off-earth, so it may be neater to have them all living on a different planet.

If they do go down that route, their return to Earth would be a perfect catalyst for the activation of mutants, as mutants are leftovers from the Celestials experimenting to create Eternals.

 

[Protar]

Xavier is one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe, has a lot of money and technology, not to mention government connections (likely also has worked with SHIELD). There is a lot he could do to keep the existence of mutants a secret for a long time (but not forever).

He's not omniscient. If mutants had been randomly popping up in the mcu with a fair degree of frequency for decades, SHIELD and the Avengers would have noticed. You've got to explain it by there only being a few rare mutants prior to an activation event.