MCU X-Men - Part 2

[fan4stic]

I saw a suggestion that would be pretty cool to me and I was kinda bummed about that when I remembered she was already in an MCU movie:

Tessa Thompson as Rogue

 

[Protar]

I saw a suggestion that would be pretty cool to me and I was kinda bummed about that when I remembered she was already in an MCU movie:

Tessa Thompson as Rogue

Avengers 4 ends with the reality stone transforming all main characters into Tessa Thompson.

 

[psylockolussus]

I want Rogue to be tall this time.

The X-Men are 25-29 years old in Dark Phoenix. Marvel will look at the bigger picture and remember that there have been 5 movies with 30 year old actors and 2 with a young X-Men

It doesn't look like it based from the photos. And I doubt Marvel would do what you are suggesting.

Xavier is one of the most powerful telepaths in the Marvel Universe, has a lot of money and technology, not to mention government connections (likely also has worked with SHIELD). There is a lot he could do to keep the existence of mutants a secret for a long time (but not forever).

And keep mutants like Apocalypse, Sinister, Cassandra Nova Prime, Selene hidden for so long. I doubt it.

 

[Protar]

I want Rogue to be tall this time.


It doesn't look like it based from the photos. And I doubt Marvel would do what you are suggesting.

It's a matter of fact. All of the Dark Phoenix cast are in their twenties at the very least. Most are nearing or well past their thirties. The notion that the First Class saga has focused on teenage X-men is a misconception. It's like how people said they were tired of a school/college age spiderman when we'd only ever actually seen Maguire and Garfield pretending to be teenagers. Not until Holland did we actually see a young Spiderman. Likewise, we've never seen a team of truly young, like 16-21-year-old X-men.

And keep mutants like Apocalypse, Sinister, Cassandra Nova Prime, Selene hidden for so long. I doubt it.

Historical mutants like Apocalypse, Sinister and Selene can be said to have been dormant/lying low.

 

[Havok83]

Sinister isn’t a mutant

 

[CaptainWagner]

I guarantee you that saying that mutants have existed secretly for a long time will be more easily accepted than trying to make some convoluted excuse for the sudden appearance of mutants all at once, some of whom are really ancient, for some reason...

 

[Shikamaru]

I would prefer climate change to be the reason for a spike in mutants. I always liked how the spike in mutants in the comics was caused by something in the real world, so I feel they should work to update the reason on its own and not just say it's due to Infinity Stones.

 

[Mangle77]

And keep mutants like Apocalypse, Sinister, Cassandra Nova Prime, Selene hidden for so long. I doubt it.

Most of those characters TRY to stay hidden. It's a LOT easier to keep someone a secret from the world, if they are also good at hiding. Apocalypse slept for centuries at a time; Sinister has ALWAYS kept a low profile; Cassandra Nova stayed hidden from Charles her whole life, and Selene & the rest of the Hellfire Club are more secretive than the lizard people who control the government.

He's not omniscient.

That's what Cerebro is for.


You know what I want? I want Rogue and Mystique to be in Captain Marvel 2, so we can FINALLY get '90s Rogue in a movie.

Anyway, I think I know who should play Xavier: Garrett Hedlund. He has a range stretching from Disney hero (Tron: Legacy) to a conflicted Klansman (burden), and this looks like a "bald man messing with your mind" stare to me.

I could see that, good pick!

Did Florida-born Peyton List ever have a Southern accent?

Speaking as someone born and raised in St. Petersburg, FL, I can tell you most Floridians do NOT have "Southern" accents. Well, maybe up in the panhandle, (The part of Florida that borders Alabama) or some of the other rural areas.

To answer a question from a few pages back: Cajuns are desended primarily from French Canadian stock, ("Cajun" is a abreviation and distortion of "Arcadian") but New Orleans is fairly cosmopolitan; a multi-ethnic Gambit would not be inappropriate.

 

[MasterCat]

Speaking as someone born and raised in St. Petersburg, FL, I can tell you most Floridians do NOT have "Southern" accents. Well, maybe up in the panhandle, (The part of Florida that borders Alabama) or some of the other rural areas.

OK, no luck finding a Rogue then.

Elaborating on my previous plot idea, I think the origin film should show Xavier recruiting Cyclops. Outside of Apocalypse, the films have only ever shown him as a mature rich guy with a permanent stick up his ***. I'd like to see Xavier and FBI agent Fred Duncan or Moira McTaggart separately chasing the report of a 16-year-old orphan endangering people with eye beams. We see him on the streets with his eyes closed, panhandling in the guise of a disabled youth. The FBI agent finds him first and puts him in a car, but Xavier mind controls them to stop the car. Xavier comes out from behind some trees and engages the FBI agent in a verbal confrontation.
"I'm a professor in New York, and I want to take this young man to a boarding school where his power can be examined for safety while respecting his human rights. Ever since the revelation that SHIELD was infiltrated by Nazis, I think you can understand why government intelligence agencies can't be trusted with that work."
Storm should also be recruited on-screen as one of the O5, replacing either Warren or Bobby. No screen time needs to be spent showing Jean or Beast's recruitment: just have them appear in the new school for an introduction. Mystique should be the one to bring Rogue to the team, and then choose to fight alongside her and Magneto when they cause an international incident in the third act.

 

[Set]

And keep mutants like Apocalypse, Sinister, Cassandra Nova Prime, Selene hidden for so long. I doubt it.

Pssh, Selene and Sinister do a real good chance of keeping themselves hidden. (Selene going so far as to establishing a hidden civilization to rule behind the scenes...) Apocalypse canonically spends centuries, if not millennia, dormant and not doing anything to draw attention.

And Cassandra Nova's not a huge public showboater who draws a lot of attention to her mutant status and abilities, and is a crappy derivative 'evil Xavier' character, so hopefully they wouldn't use her anyway. She's not quite as terrible as Stryfe, the evil Cable, but that's like trying to decide whether getting caught in your zipper is more or less painful than a paper cut on your tongue.

Long story short, if mutants have chosen to be in hiding, and they've got people who can *erase memories,* then, bang, they are in hiding, like the wizards in Harry Potter. "Ooh, his muggle family saw us taking in that mutant kid shooting electricity everywhere! Obliviate them, Charles, Jean, Emma, Betsy, Monet, Cuckoos, Fixx, Tangerine, Chamber, Birdie, random telepath of the week!"

Muggle dad, later, "Sucks how our house burned down in that electrical fire! I distinctly remember someone saying it was faulty wiring."

Muggle mom, "Didn't we have another kid?"

Muggle sister, "That's just the smoke inhalation talking, mom. I did *not* have a brother. And when the insurance fixes the house, I'm getting that big bedroom next to the bathroom that's always been empty for no reason at all..."

 

[psylockolussus]

Those mutants are troublemakers, like really, they would allow Professor X to keep them hidden and how eXactly? Did he go to every mutant and got their approval to make them hidden from mnon mutants? Yeah sure, so much for mutant freedom. It's not gonna happen.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

He's not omniscient. If mutants had been randomly popping up in the mcu with a fair degree of frequency for decades, SHIELD and the Avengers would have noticed. You've got to explain it by there only being a few rare mutants prior to an activation event.

The way I see it, mutants have been the stuff of tabloids and conspiracy sites. Isolated cases swept under the rug by Xavier and his original X-Men.

What happens when more and more mutants start showing up? Its like a dam being burst. The water was being contained and now its flooding the town. That is what the first MCU X-Men movie should be about (mutants becoming a public thing in the MCU).

 

[Havok83]

It's a matter of fact. All of the Dark Phoenix cast are in their twenties at the very least. Most are nearing or well past their thirties. The notion that the First Class saga has focused on teenage X-men is a misconception. It's like how people said they were tired of a school/college age spiderman when we'd only ever actually seen Maguire and Garfield pretending to be teenagers. Not until Holland did we actually see a young Spiderman. Likewise, we've never seen a team of truly young, like 16-21-year-old X-men.

Its not a misconception. FC and Apocalypse both directly dealt with teenage X-men DOFP didnt but 2 out of 3 of those movies did. DP has yet to release

 

[Jh7058622]

The X-Men weren't teenagers in FC... there weren't any X-Men in Apocalypse just a group of kids saving their mentors. It wasn't until the end of said film that we got a glimpse of the X-Men and we have no idea if there was a time lapse.

 

[Havok83]

The X-Men weren't teenagers in FC... there weren't any X-Men in Apocalypse just a group of kids saving their mentors. It wasn't until the end of said film that we got a glimpse of the X-Men and we have no idea if there was a time lapse.

Its really nitpicky to say that Apocalypse didnt focus on teenage X-men. They were X-men. With the exception of Mystique in FC, the rest of the group that Xavier trained were in that young college age bracket

 

[Marvel united]

The way I see it, mutants have been the stuff of tabloids and conspiracy sites. Isolated cases swept under the rug by Xavier and his original X-Men.

What happens when more and more mutants start showing up? Its like a dam being burst. The water was being contained and now its flooding the town. That is what the first MCU X-Men movie should be about (mutants becoming a public thing in the MCU).

This is the same idea many of us have except the X-Men will be 30 year olds and made to be some sort of secret black ops group. Not a fan of this pitch. The X-Men should be a RESPONSE to all of the mutants popping up, they need to be a freshly assembled team. They don't need some convoluted backstory that spans 10 or 15 years

 

[Marvel united]

Its not a misconception. FC and Apocalypse both directly dealt with teenage X-men DOFP didnt but 2 out of 3 of those movies did. DP has yet to release

The X-Men weren't teens in FC but they were young adults and they weren't really the "X-Men" yet and that movie like Apocalypse was focused on Charles, Erik and Raven. The X-Men were background characters in both FC and XMA.

But what will the X-Men be in Dark Phoenix? Once again, they will be experienced vets only a few years younger than they were in X1. Even counting XMA and XMFC, there are still 5 movies that focus on an older team that has years of experience. 5 movies to 2 just like both Spider-Man franchises and guess which route Marvel decided to go? They went the route that was most unexplored and for X-Men that means going back to the early years of the team instead of skipping years of character development for these characters.

 

[psylockolussus]

Teenagers or not, they were young. That's the point. We have seen the X-Men in their inexperienced and younger days too many times now. Time for a change.

 

[MasterCat]

Savannah McReynolds of Texas as Rogue? (May 2017 photo, note that X-Men shooing couldn't begin until around May 2021,)

 

[DawnWarrior]

Teenagers or not, they were young. That's the point. We have seen the X-Men in their inexperienced and younger days too many times now. Time for a change.

And even so, they can always bring in more young, inexperienced mutants.

 

[Protar]

Teenagers or not, they were young. That's the point. We have seen the X-Men in their inexperienced and younger days too many times now. Time for a change.

We've seen more of them as experienced veterans. Even the films with younger X-men still centred around Xavier. First Class was Xavier's story with his students as supporting characters. What we haven't got yet is a story about the students with Xavier as their mentor. Right now it's like the Harry Potter books being from Dumbledore's perspective.

It makes sense from a perspective of franchise longevity as well. The MCU is showing no signs of stopping. The next generation of heroes will be cast young so that they can carry the MCU for the next 10-20 years.

 

[fan4stic]

Let's put them in a middle ground, in their mid 20's with no active X-Men experience, but still capable.

 

[MasterCat]

Let's put them in a middle ground, in their mid 20's with no active X-Men experience, but still capable.

And what have they been doing for the 10 years since their powers manifested?

 

[Marvel united]

We've seen more of them as experienced veterans. Even the films with younger X-men still centred around Xavier. First Class was Xavier's story with his students as supporting characters. What we haven't got yet is a story about the students with Xavier as their mentor. Right now it's like the Harry Potter books being from Dumbledore's perspective.

It makes sense from a perspective of franchise longevity as well. The MCU is showing no signs of stopping. The next generation of heroes will be cast young so that they can carry the MCU for the next 10-20 years.

This is another point I've stressed In the past, longevity. The X-Men need to be young enough to carry the MCU for the next 15 years. They should start from the begining of their story not only because it's the most natural, straightforward way to tell their story but because of longevity as well. I mean, just think about the fact that.10 years from now, we will have seen these characters grow and become the iconic team. It will feel earned because it's been built up over the course of 3 or 4 movies

 

[Marvel united]

Savannah McReynolds of Texas as Rogue? (May 2017 photo, note that X-Men shooing couldn't begin until around May 2021,)

I could see it