MCU X-Men - Part 2

[Havok83]

30s isn't old. 42-43 is old, which is how old Boseman will be in BP2 (born November 1977).

T'Challa is younger than Boseman. He is closer to mid 30s. Besides, unless one is a child, 40s isnt old. You make it sound like he should have an AARP card

 

[MasterCat]

T'Challa is younger than Boseman. He is closer to mid 30s. Besides, unless one is a child, 40s isnt old. You make it sound like he should have an AARP card

Well he should. The African Association of Royal Powerguys.

 

[Moridin]

T'Challa is an old man and Storm should be no more than 15 when Avengers 4 ends. The general audience would bot like it.

That's actually a really good point I hadn't thought of. Yeah, if/when Marvel get to do X-Men, Ororo will probably be mid-late teens (early 20's at a push).

On top of that T'Challa/Nakia are working well and presumably Marvel want to develop that, and the fans want to see it continue rather than get the Thor/Jane "oh we broke up off-screen".

I could see BP & Storm still sharing screen time though, just not romantically.

 

[Lip]

I suggest you reread the post you responded to bc no one ever said Raven should be only a lesbian. Lip mentioned LGBT and she is canonically bisexual. She is sexually fluid and has been involved with both male and female genders. Saying she isn’t would be less accurate to the comics

FYI, lesbians can have children you know. Being one would pre want her from being Nightcrawler’s mother

so you only chosen to take from that post what you wanted and ignored the previous sentence which provided context?

And another FYI, a bisexual can be classified as gay. These are just terms that a person may or may not want to identify with but they all fall under a similar banner

Thank you! That's why I didn't even bother responding.

 

[kcknight44]

That's actually a really good point I hadn't thought of. Yeah, if/when Marvel get to do X-Men, Ororo will probably be mid-late teens (early 20's at a push).

On top of that T'Challa/Nakia are working well and presumably Marvel want to develop that, and the fans want to see it continue rather than get the Thor/Jane "oh we broke up off-screen".

I could see BP & Storm still sharing screen time though, just not romantically.

OK, so first post on this forum so 'Hey everybody!'

Let me just jump into the topic. I am not sure why we have to assume anything with when/if the X-men get added to the MCU? I read a bit of this forum (obviously not the whole thing), but I see a lot of presumptions as if the MCU hasn't already gone outside the lines of the comics with several characters.

I can understand if someone doesn't like the pairing of Ororo (which hopefully they don't do code names at all!) and T'Challa, because I certainly wouldn't want them to dump Lupita. She is awesome and needs to stick around. However, We just found out that an entire super advanced nation in Wakanda exists. Why would it be so hard to believe that a character like Ororo has been around awhile. I'd make her character ageless as if she'd been around for 100 years. She could be an ally against a major villain in Black Panther 2.

I'm personally hoping for an introduction of both her and Namor, with Namor as the bad guy and BP and Ororo teaming up (of course with the Dora as well).

 

[1627523]

I've been thinking about this question for a little a while, so I'll just ask it. What should the tone of the x-men movies be? Do u think it should have the a light fun tone or a dark one. What movie would you use as a reference for the tone. While I definitely enjoy the MCU my main problem with them is how they don't really balance their comedy and drama well enough, so I personally want a tone similar to something like Edge of Tomorrow or the Mission Impossible movies. Those movies definitely have comedic moments that'll make you laugh, but the plot and stakes still feel very real and they never have moments where they feel like there catering to kids or families instead of the story. I want to be clear that I don't think the MCU movies are kiddie or childish i'm just saying that aiming at a four quadrant audience can have its weaknesses. I hope the x-men movies don't fall into the same traps as other mcu movies and are truly able to flourish. I know the FOX movies are probably not looked upon fondly here, but one of the reasons I liked them was because of their balanced tone.

 

[Marvel united]

Yeah the T'Challa/Storm can't work unless the X-Men are 30 uear olds

 

[Havok83]

Yeah the T'Challa/Storm can't work unless the X-Men are 30 uear olds

It can if she's in her 20s. A 25 year old Storm can definitely be romantically linked to him. If anything they arent likely to be an actual couple anyway. Just teases and chemistry testing

 

[Lip]

I've been thinking about this question for a little a while, so I'll just ask it. What should the tone of the x-men movies be? Do u think it should have the a light fun tone or a dark one. What movie would you use as a reference for the tone. While I definitely enjoy the MCU my main problem with them is how they don't really balance their comedy and drama well enough, so I personally want a tone similar to something like Edge of Tomorrow or the Mission Impossible movies. Those movies definitely have comedic moments that'll make you laugh, but the plot and stakes still feel very real and they never have moments where they feel like there catering to kids or families instead of the story. I want to be clear that I don't think the MCU movies are kiddie or childish i'm just saying that aiming at a four quadrant audience can have its weaknesses. I hope the x-men movies don't fall into the same traps as other mcu movies and are truly able to flourish. I know the FOX movies are probably not looked upon fondly here, but one of the reasons I liked them was because of their balanced tone.

I understand your concern. I also enjoy the more dramatic take of the FOX movies. Unfortunetely, they have so many other problems that "outshines" the good parts.

Although I do not think the MCU X-Men will have a more dramatic tone, I'm more than fine with something close to Black Panther. Marvel has shown that they can capture the essence of their characters and story, and with the X-Men there is a social responsibility that I'm 100% sure Marvel will take. Not to mention that Marvel is more invested in promoting diversity now than FOX and other studios are, and recently Kevin Feige said that there will be LGBTQs coming to the MCU, which is aother great point.

And it's worth mentioning that Marvel slowly has been taking more risks with Guardians of the Galaxy, Ragnarok, Black Panther and Infinity War, and all of them paid off, which opens the door for more and more risk taking.

 

[Marvel united]

It can if she's in her 20s. A 25 year old Storm can definitely be romantically linked to him. If anything they arent likely to be an actual couple anyway. Just teases and chemistry testing

If she's 17-22 then definitely not. I

 

[Havok83]

If she's 17-22 then definitely not. I

Well definitely not as a 17 year old but even at college aged, they didnt shy away from putting Scarlet Witch with Vision. I guess as an android, he is technically younger than her but is played by an actor in his late 40s w

 

[MasterCat]

A 25 year old Storm can definitely be romantically linked to him. If anything they arent likely to be an actual couple anyway. Just teases and chemistry testing

The problem is that Marvel mutants have always manifested their powers at puberty. A 25-year-old Storm would come with more than a decade of backstory as a weather-controlling mutant. Even if the X-Men have a 2023 debut, that means she'd have been around before Nick Fury assembled the Avengers. Yet he didn't recruit her, no one learned about X-Men characters from the SHIELD secret files released to the world at the end of Winter Soldier, she did nothing to defend Earth from the second alien invasion...

 

[Havok83]

The problem is that Marvel mutants have always manifested their powers at puberty. A 25-year-old Storm would come with more than a decade of backstory as a weather-controlling mutant. Even if the X-Men have a 2023 debut, that means she'd have been around before Nick Fury assembled the Avengers. Yet he didn't recruit her, no one learned about X-Men characters from the SHIELD secret files released to the world at the end of Winter Soldier, she did nothing to defend Earth from the second alien invasion...

Wrong. That has never been true

As for the rest of your post, Im not going to have the same redundant discussions with you so please dont quote my posts with that. Go back and reference any number of posts from weeks ago to get my response to the issue

 

[Marvel united]

The cleanest, most simple way to do it that makes the most sense for a plethora of reasons is to have a young team, that doesn't have a decade worth of experience and character development when we meet them

 

[kcknight44]

The cleanest, most simple way to do it that makes the most sense for a plethora of reasons is to have a young team, that doesn't have a decade worth of experience and character development when we meet them

I certainly hope Feige and his group are having the same sort of discussions that are brought up here. Good discussion.

Clearly the easiest way would be to have a new young team. I just don't care to see Xavier vs Magneto with Cyclops and Jean Grey and another Mystique... if they are going to do that, they might as well just bring the same actors and say they are from a different reality and just continue the current X-Men movies.

That is NOT going to happen... so my thought would be to have some mutants that predate the X-mansion and Xavier. I realize this will drastically change things, Magneto especially, but Holocaust isn't the only trauma he could have experienced.

Storm is the perfect example of a mutant that doesn't need a team. Wolverine is going to be used eventually, I just hope his intro isn't something we've already seen. Wouldn't it be awesome to see him working for the Canadian government's Dept H and shows up to fight the Hulk?

Who doesn't want some form of Alpha Flight to appear at some point?

 

[Dark Raven]

They can make Storm and Shuri friends instead. Because they're more the same age.

 

[psylockolussus]

The cleanest, most simple way to do it that makes the most sense for a plethora of reasons is to have a young team, that doesn't have a decade worth of experience and character development when we meet them

Your opinion. Not the general rule when it comes to X-Men stories.

 

[Havok83]

I certainly hope Feige and his group are having the same sort of discussions that are brought up here. Good discussion.

Clearly the easiest way would be to have a new young team. I just don't care to see Xavier vs Magneto with Cyclops and Jean Grey and another Mystique... if they are going to do that, they might as well just bring the same actors and say they are from a different reality and just continue the current X-Men movies.

That is NOT going to happen... so my thought would be to have some mutants that predate the X-mansion and Xavier. I realize this will drastically change things, Magneto especially, but Holocaust isn't the only trauma he could have experienced.

Storm is the perfect example of a mutant that doesn't need a team. Wolverine is going to be used eventually, I just hope his intro isn't something we've already seen. Wouldn't it be awesome to see him working for the Canadian government's Dept H and shows up to fight the Hulk?

Who doesn't want some form of Alpha Flight to appear at some point?

Me. They were a C-list team that I never had an affinity for. I could take or leave them. Dont think they need their own team but would be fine with them in a minor capacity in other films

 

[kcknight44]

Me. They were a C-list team that I never had an affinity for. I could take or leave them. Dont think they need their own team but would be fine with them in a minor capacity in other films

You've probably stated it somewhere, but forgive me... I'm new.

I realize that the MCU can't have every character ever, but where would YOU go? I have to think they'll base the future on the already established comics and put their own twist on it as they're doing currently. X-Men are a pretty big part of Marvel. They have an opportunity with Infinity War to go anywhere with any characters... especially now that it appears they'll have the FF and X-Men.

I would think they'll double down on Avengers and go New Avengers or Young Avengers or Champions alongside the current crop that surely will continue (Black Panther, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange). But that doesn't give us a full X-men team. I think they could easily follow the Avengers path. Wolverine, Storm, throw in Iceman, Hank McCoy and eventually have an X-Men team up the way they did the first Avengers. yeah? no?

 

[ernesth100]

Has it ever occured to anyone how long this is gonna take to come to light? Like just thinking about the wqait for casting, teasers, the actual film name, release dates. I despise and love the process. We literally just went through this with Spider-man.

 

[psylockolussus]

Which didn't take that long after the release of tasm2. Can you imagine getting Uncanny X-Men in July 2022, three years and five months after Dark PhoeniX.

 

[Boom]

Has it ever occured to anyone how long this is gonna take to come to light? Like just thinking about the wqait for casting, teasers, the actual film name, release dates. I despise and love the process. We literally just went through this with Spider-man.

Anything before 2021 would surprise me.

 

[Havok83]

Has it ever occured to anyone how long this is gonna take to come to light? Like just thinking about the wqait for casting, teasers, the actual film name, release dates. I despise and love the process. We literally just went through this with Spider-man.

The Sony/Disney deal was announced in 2015 and Spiderman was cast months later for inclusion in CW the following year. If you wanted to to stress that it would take a long time, he is the worst example you could have picked

 

[The Infernal]

Maybe 2021 isn't so far off in terms of a stand alone X-men or FF etc, but I could see these characters making appearances in other movies beforehand. I still think Rogue would make a great antagonist/frenemy for Cpt. Marvel 2.

 

[Boom]

How about Cliff Curtis as Magneto?