Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[Iceman]

Yikes, that's pretty ridiculous
I will say it does feel like a bit of a precarious time for the MCU, they have to transition from the first three phases into a new era with new lead actors taking the spotlight, and they have to stick the landing perfectly on that to get people to come along for the ride
But it's Marvel, and Feige, and I have no reason to doubt that if anyone can nail that, they can... BP already did bonkers Box Office so I'm 100% sure the sequel will as well, and Strange 2 is eagerly anticipated, so they have a good base to work from

You explained it yourself. BP and Strange are already established and loved characters in the MCU. CM is still an unknown but Spidey too if he can be used is also a super-popular character. Eternals will be another risk but the rest of the universe is still made up of known elements until they start moving further into new territory.

 

[Iceman]

Gods above, I literally just had an argument on another forum with someone who believes that after Avengers 4, superhero films will stop being made because X-Men apparently will fail because the casting will be wrong, and it won't "live up to the original", and because the characters in Fantastic 4 are "hokey". I tried to explain that he's wrong, that nobody likes the original X-Men that much, but he won't see reason. I'm flabbergasted that anybody feels that way.

According to this person, Black Panther 2 will also fail at the box-office, Far From Home will be messed up, Black Widow will have to live up to Wonder Woman AND Captain Marvel in order to succeed, and Guardians 3 will never get made.

Don't waste your life like that.

 

[Lip]

Gods above, I literally just had an argument on another forum with someone who believes that after Avengers 4, superhero films will stop being made

Meanwhile, most of us here are expecting Marvel to start making 4 movies a year (plus the Disney streaming shows). LOL

 

[THORin]

Meanwhile, most of us here are expecting Marvel to start making 4 movies a year (plus the Disney streaming shows). LOL

I know!

 

[Iceman]

Meanwhile, most of us here are expecting Marvel to start making 4 movies a year (plus the Disney streaming shows). LOL

It needs to happen!

 

[CyclopsSummers]

The only problem is how to explain why mutants are suddenly public and how exactly they've all been living in the shadows for 15 years since that's when mutations spiked.

X-men original timeline mutants have always been among humans but governments hid them until 2000's
In 70's they captured Mystique and built Sentinels in secret.
People didnt know mutants phenomenon until era of X1


If We want Apocalypse or Magneto MCU must explains mutants exist since centuries

 

[Iceman]

I had an idea that ties back into the notion the X-Men being more technologically advanced in the MCU. Everybody is split over whether Cyclops should have a cowl or not but what if we got both looks? What If he had a retractable helmet that folded over his head ala:
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Or:
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This also gives us an excuse to have the 90s head/neck sock in the movie. The segments would form from the back of the head to conglomerate into the helmet. The 90s design as the default/base Cyclops look and the helmet/cowl would form for fight scenes.
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The MCU is moving more into technology motif heroes so it makes sense for the X-Men to have more advanced suits. Even Spider-Man got a tech upgrade.

I want both just for variety. Even if he just has different outfits for different situations.

 

[Iceman]

This is not true.​

What isn't true? The guy's claims on New Mutants or his claims about the MCU?

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Started watching xmen evolution again today, and its approach on how the world doesn't know about mutants yet is pretty much perfect for the MCU. Its conflict between magneto wanting to force mutants upon the world and xaviers more subtle approach calls for great tension. It makes the mutant population super small and concentrated with a handful having been mutants in hiding long before.

 

[Lip]

Can you imagine if 2 or 3 weeks from now we can finally hear some official infos?

 

[Frankeh]

Started watching xmen evolution again today, and its approach on how the world doesn't know about mutants yet is pretty much perfect for the MCU. Its conflict between magneto wanting to force mutants upon the world and xaviers more subtle approach calls for great tension. It makes the mutant population super small and concentrated with a handful having been mutants in hiding long before.

I agree. The scenario of "The Day of Reckoning" seems ripe for the MCU.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

The way the population in evolution is so sparse it leads me to believe that there couldn't be more than maybe a couple hundred mutants or less world wide.

They also solved the magneto aging issue with the genetic treatments he was doing to himself. Kept him young and powerful. I hadn't seen the cartoon in well over a decade and didnt realize how intuitive the a lot of the major plot points were. I hope someone at marvel studios realizes this given how well this would work in the mcu imo.

 

[Marvel united]

The way the population in evolution is so sparse it leads me to believe that there couldn't be more than maybe a couple hundred mutants or less world wide.

They also solved the magneto aging issue with the genetic treatments he was doing to himself. Kept him young and powerful. I hadn't seen the cartoon in well over a decade and didnt realize how intuitive the a lot of the major plot points were. I hope someone at marvel studios realizes this given how well this would work in the mcu imo.

Yea, the basic mutant premise of that show would be the best fit for the MCU. Having only a couple hundred mutants in the world is wayyy more believable than saying that thousands have been living in the shadows for 20 years. This is the route i'm guessing they go because it's the only way for characters like Wolverine, Charles, Mystique and Erik whose age is vital, to make sense in the MCU. Otherwise, we have a teenage Charles Xavier.

But either way, the population has to grow for them to be considered a threat to mankind and the harbinger of humanity's end. The mutant community is very, VERY small at this point in the MCU but mutants become become a classified species when their numbers start to skyrocket and they become a real problem for regular people.

 

[Iceman]

Started watching xmen evolution again today, and its approach on how the world doesn't know about mutants yet is pretty much perfect for the MCU. Its conflict between magneto wanting to force mutants upon the world and xaviers more subtle approach calls for great tension. It makes the mutant population super small and concentrated with a handful having been mutants in hiding long before.

I think that approach could work for the MCU.

 

[Iceman]

The way the population in evolution is so sparse it leads me to believe that there couldn't be more than maybe a couple hundred mutants or less world wide.

They also solved the magneto aging issue with the genetic treatments he was doing to himself. Kept him young and powerful. I hadn't seen the cartoon in well over a decade and didnt realize how intuitive the a lot of the major plot points were. I hope someone at marvel studios realizes this given how well this would work in the mcu imo.

A few hundred or so is how I want to start and for that number to explode as the MCI develops. I want the mutant issue to be present in future MCU films as a part of how the world is at that point.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Gods above, I literally just had an argument on another forum with someone who believes that after Avengers 4, superhero films will stop being made because X-Men apparently will fail because the casting will be wrong, and it won't "live up to the original", and because the characters in Fantastic 4 are "hokey". I tried to explain that he's wrong, that nobody likes the original X-Men that much, but he won't see reason. I'm flabbergasted that anybody feels that way.

According to this person, Black Panther 2 will also fail at the box-office, Far From Home will be messed up, Black Widow will have to live up to Wonder Woman AND Captain Marvel in order to succeed, and Guardians 3 will never get made.

Yeah, there are some... interesting takes out there in regards to the X-Men. There's two trolls in the Deadline comments section that show up in every box office thread to talk back in forth with each other and with their own army of fake guest accounts about how Disney's Star Wars movies aren't canon and how Disney is going to ruin the X-Men.

In other news, I finished Haunting of Hill House and am now leaning into seeing Oliver Jackson-Cohen as Cyclops. He's got a really engrossing personality and has a wide range. He can be a believable leader and at the same time profoundly vulnerable. I think he's got a big career ahead of him, Marvel would be wise to snatch him up for a key part like Scott.

 

[ciscostudent561]

Started watching xmen evolution again today, and its approach on how the world doesn't know about mutants yet is pretty much perfect for the MCU. Its conflict between magneto wanting to force mutants upon the world and xaviers more subtle approach calls for great tension. It makes the mutant population super small and concentrated with a handful having been mutants in hiding long before.

The way the population in evolution is so sparse it leads me to believe that there couldn't be more than maybe a couple hundred mutants or less world wide.

They also solved the magneto aging issue with the genetic treatments he was doing to himself. Kept him young and powerful. I hadn't seen the cartoon in well over a decade and didnt realize how intuitive the a lot of the major plot points were. I hope someone at marvel studios realizes this given how well this would work in the mcu imo.

I don't remember just how exactly X-men Evolution addressed the mutant issue. Can you refresh my memory? So far sounds so good though. I like how its only limited to a few hundred. BTW X-men Evolution Apocalypse is sooo underrated. Great story.

As for Magneto I think having him be a direct descendant of a holocaust survivor who becomes a gypsy proselyte and is a survivor of the Bosnian massacre makes him current and keeps both his Jewish and Gypsy roots. This also keeps his storyline current yet still closely tied to persecution of his race.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't remember just how exactly X-men Evolution addressed the mutant issue. Can you refresh my memory? So far sounds so good though. I like how its only limited to a few hundred. BTW X-men Evolution Apocalypse is sooo underrated. Great story.

As for Magneto I think having him be a direct descendant of a holocaust survivor who becomes a gypsy proselyte and is a survivor of the Bosnian massacre makes him current and keeps both his Jewish and Gypsy roots. This also keeps his storyline current yet still closely tied to persecution of his race.

Pretty much in season 1 and 2 the students attend public school and hide their abilities from the public, we have evidence in the show that basically tells us that mutants are a new phenomenon and have not been discovered publically (although shield does know about them). Essentially magneto wishes to expose the mutants through force and violence, where as Xavier knows that world isnt quite ready to handle the idea of mutants and wants to protect them until the time is right. By the end of season 2 magneto succeeds in exposing the mutants to the world and the aftermath is perfect. It shows paranoia on the small scale of streets. The media plays up the idea that they're not human, and the government is unclear what to make of it.

 

[Iceman]

I don't remember just how exactly X-men Evolution addressed the mutant issue. Can you refresh my memory? So far sounds so good though. I like how its only limited to a few hundred. BTW X-men Evolution Apocalypse is sooo underrated. Great story.

As for Magneto I think having him be a direct descendant of a holocaust survivor who becomes a gypsy proselyte and is a survivor of the Bosnian massacre makes him current and keeps both his Jewish and Gypsy roots. This also keeps his storyline current yet still closely tied to persecution of his race.

I don’t mind a solution like that for Magneto.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't remember just how exactly X-men Evolution addressed the mutant issue. Can you refresh my memory? So far sounds so good though. I like how its only limited to a few hundred. BTW X-men Evolution Apocalypse is sooo underrated. Great story.

As for Magneto I think having him be a direct descendant of a holocaust survivor who becomes a gypsy proselyte and is a survivor of the Bosnian massacre makes him current and keeps both his Jewish and Gypsy roots. This also keeps his storyline current yet still closely tied to persecution of his race.

This works for me

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Implement xmen evolutions gene enhancement idea that keeps magneto younger and there you have it. I know it's similar to ra's al guhl but o dont figure DC will put up a big comic acurate adaption of him for a while anyway.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't know. Giving Magneto reduced aging kind of takes away some of the power of his character for me. I think his humanity and mortality is important to maintain.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I can understand that. But him losing the means to rejuvenate himself could set up for some great character growth. And bring that mortality and humanity that the character has.

 

[TheVileOne]

He doesn't even age as Michael Fassbender.

 

[Iceman]

He doesn't even age as Michael Fassbender.

Well Fassbender’s a cyborg.