Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[DrCosmic]

I definitely would put Erik on hiatus, like all the Spidey villains, but putting Xavier on a bus to start feels wrong. Like, you don't get rid of Aunt May just cuz you're tired of her, you remix her into something new and less intrusive.

 

[Lip]

Charles has played an active role in the source material and various forms of media since the X-Men debuted in 1963.

He has. I'm not saying he hasn't. I don't hate Charles. I'm not arguing he shouldn't exist in the MCU, or should wait 10 years to appear, or should not be important for the X-Men. I see your point about his importance as a basis for the X-Men, but I still believe he doesn't have to be physically there in the first movie.

I want to see Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, Colossus, Kurt, Gambit, Dazzler, Jubilee, Angel, Bishop, Alex, Betsy, Laura and many others. But they can't all be in the first movie. And again, I understand the point you made about Charles.

You're skipping his character in the introduction of the X-Men to the MCU. In a world where mutants aren't even a classified species yet it makes zero sense to skip Charles' character when he is world's foremost leading geneticist in the field of mutation and evolution. He dedicated his life to studying the X-Gene.

Well, but are mutants going to be introduced in the first X-Men movie? We constantly talk about Rogue, Storm and Logan being introduced in different franchises. Can't Charles appear first, when they start to introduce the concept of mutants, where he can play that role you mentioned? You know, before the first X-Men movie?

Who is going to debate anti-mutant politicans on TV? Jean? Hank? Cecilia Reyes? Forge?

Why not any of them? I'd love to see Jean taking a role like that.

The reason why Scott, Jean and Ororo weren't in First Class is because they weren't born yet.

Actually it's because FOX never really trusted them

 

[Marvel united]

He has. I'm not saying he hasn't. I don't hate Charles. I'm not arguing he shouldn't exist in the MCU, or should wait 10 years to appear, or should not be important for the X-Men. I see your point about his importance as a basis for the X-Men, but I still believe he doesn't have to be physically there in the first movie.

I want to see Rogue, Kitty, Bobby, Colossus, Kurt, Gambit, Dazzler, Jubilee, Angel, Bishop, Alex, Betsy, Laura and many others. But they can't all be in the first movie. And again, I understand the point you made about Charles.

The difference between Charles and someone like Psylocke, Dazzler and Gambit is that they are all interchangeable members of the X-Men. Charles is not interchangeable or part of a rotating group of mentors that periodically replace guide the X-Men. He's the character that the entire foundation of the franchise is built on.

Well, but are mutants going to be introduced in the first X-Men movie? We constantly talk about Rogue, Storm and Logan being introduced in different franchises. Can't Charles appear first, when they start to introduce the concept of mutants, where he can play that role you mentioned? You know, before the first X-Men movie?

Then why would Charles randomly disappear and not show up in his home - in the first movie? The point of introducing these characters in other MCU films is to build hype for the X-Men movie.

Why not any of them? I'd love to see Jean taking a role like that.


Actually it's because FOX never really trusted them

If you're going to introduce a team of veteran X-Men who have been around for awhile "underground" as Zarex put it then that's the only way they can take his place. Introduce a group of teenagers/young adults and Charles has to be on that platform, giving a speech about unity because the X-Men at this point are too young. A 17-20 year old Jean Grey won't be the face of mutant/human relations..

I definitely would put Erik on hiatus, like all the Spidey villains, but putting Xavier on a bus to start feels wrong. Like, you don't get rid of Aunt May just cuz you're tired of her, you remix her into something new and less intrusive.

You can have a Spider-Man franchise without the Green Goblin but you can't have it without Aunt May. Especially when the character Is young enough to need a stable emotional support system and guiding light in his life.

Erik I could see going away for a couple of films but there's no way Marvel will abandon the character of Charles Xavier. He'll be in the first movie but with subdued influence. His role would be closer to Nick Fury in the first Avengers film.

 

[Frankeh]

Rosemary Harris will always be the best Aunt May to me.

And I feel Stewart will always be the best Charles (no offense McAvoy fans).

But I’d definitely have Xavier in a supporting role for once in the first movie.

 

[Lip]

He's the character that the entire foundation of the franchise is built on.

And he can be that without being in the first movie.

Then why would Charles randomly disappear and not show up in his home - in the first movie?

There are many creative excuses for that. Why not Lilandra, for instance?

The point of introducing these characters in other MCU films is to build hype for the X-Men movie.

For me, it has nothing to do with hype. It's about using that expanded universe to their advantage so they can introduce that world of character. And also to serve some characters better, like Ororo and Rogue.

If you're going to introduce a team of veteran X-Men who have been around for awhile "underground" as Zarex put it then that's the only way they can take his place.

Yeah, I don't want them as teenagers with zero experience. I know you disagree tho.

 

[Abudefduf]

Black Knight sounds wack, but modernized sci-fi Camelot as a core aesthetic isn't exactly the worst idea in the world. She Hulk, Nova and Namor aren't exactly tragic ideas, to say nothing of Young Avengers, Thunderbolts, New Warriors or giving new life to Blade, Ghost Rider or Inhumans. Hell, New Universe and Supreme Powers would make my year, easy.

Some of the properties/characters you mentioned do have huge potential and I'm sure Feige is aware of it. Which is why I believe that, Fox deal or not, he will still to try to bring at least some of them to the big screen.

It's the Black Knights and the Shang-Chis that are in trouble.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Black knight could get used in a smaller capacity but Shang chi ain't going anywhere. Disney has their eye set on the culturally untapped chinese/Asian market. Crazy rich asians did great for a rom com last year and black panther made a stamp in film and black history. Feige and the Disney big wigs keep talking about being more diverse, this means taking a chance on characters like shang chi and introducing a more diversified xmen probably.

 

[Abudefduf]

I see your point but let's be real here, Shang-Chi is not even Marvel's best Asian superhero. I genuinely believe they would be better off making a Psylocke movie.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wont disagree that he's D-list. But I'd imagine it might be cheaper to make and gives marvel a chance to deep dive in chinese culture. Not to say psylocke cant be fitted to that mold but I think she works best in the xmen personally.

 

[DrCosmic]

Psylocke is also #problematic because she wasn't born Asian, and so sometimes she's sort of implied to be Yellowface, even though no one actually says that because it doesn't really make sense as its not the character's agency, nor is she making light of Japanese culture - on the contrary. Not that many people know she's White anyway. Plus, if you're talking about someone appropriating Asian culture, there's a whole Wolverine right there, and no one wants to talk about that at all. So, yeah, maybe the best hero who's Asian, but not the most Asian hero. Though I personally would prefer a Japanese mutant film with Psylocke, Revanche, Sunfire and the like. Maybe they'll make it into the Shang Chi movie?

I'm also reminded of when Feige was really excited about Iron Fist and exploring that kind of thing. I imagine he hasn't really had that itch scratched yet and that Shang Chi is the next best, or maybe even actual best thing. I also did a quick wiki search of Shang Chi and see that he has Chi control, which means he is a super powered hero, likely to be at least on par with Black Panther and Captain America. My entire perception of the potential of his film changes now, hinged on that. I'm thinking Asian Coulson, but now I'm like... yo... Asian Cap. I could get down for that.

 

[MilkmanDan]

To be fair Scott's been a dick for at least the past 45 years

That's part of his appeal, though. Scott always means well but he doesn't always say or do the right thing. He's an uptight, socially-awkward workaholic who can be overprotective to the point of being an overbearing control-freak.

 

[Chiznuk]

First post! Haven't even chosen an avatar yet!

I've read through the past 15 or so pages and just wanted to say I like the idea of a younger team. Not teenagers but early twenties I think would be perfect. I really like the idea of Ansel Elgort for Cyclops and Saoirse Ronan for Jean Grey.

That's all I've got for now. Really excited to see this come together!

 

[Abudefduf]

Welcome!

Speaking of Ronan, has anyone ever fancast her as Emma Frost? Because I'm about to do it. Saoirse Ronan should totally play Emma Frost.

Not to say psylocke cant be fitted to that mold but I think she works best in the xmen personally.

Maybe but in my opinion, out of all the major X-Men, she's one of the few who could carry her own movie.

Some X-Men are just to good to be confined only in team movies. In what world is Black Knight more deserving of a solo movie than Storm.

 

[Marvel united]

Psylocke is also #problematic because she wasn't born Asian, and so sometimes she's sort of implied to be Yellowface, even though no one actually says that because it doesn't really make sense as its not the character's agency, nor is she making light of Japanese culture - on the contrary. Not that many people know she's White anyway. Plus, if you're talking about someone appropriating Asian culture, there's a whole Wolverine right there, and no one wants to talk about that at all. So, yeah, maybe the best hero who's Asian, but not the most Asian hero. Though I personally would prefer a Japanese mutant film with Psylocke, Revanche, Sunfire and the like. Maybe they'll make it into the Shang Chi movie?

I'm also reminded of when Feige was really excited about Iron Fist and exploring that kind of thing. I imagine he hasn't really had that itch scratched yet and that Shang Chi is the next best, or maybe even actual best thing. I also did a quick wiki search of Shang Chi and see that he has Chi control, which means he is a super powered hero, likely to be at least on par with Black Panther and Captain America. My entire perception of the potential of his film changes now, hinged on that. I'm thinking Asian Coulson, but now I'm like... yo... Asian Cap. I could get down for that.

Marvel would be wise to just drop the mind-transfer idea and combine Kwannon and Betsy into one character. Just make Betsy Asian/Eurasian from the start.... Otherwise it'll be Ghost in a Shell all over again.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Speaking of Ronan, has anyone ever fancast her as Emma Frost? Because I'm about to do it. Saoirse Ronan should totally play Emma Frost.

That's an interesting suggestion. However, I still think Saoirse Ronan is the perfect pick for Jean. I'm not even a big Jean-fan and I'd be perfectly happy to have Jean as the film's main protagonist if she was played by someone of Ronan's talent and screen presence.

My pick for Emma Frost would be Sarah Gadon.

 

[Iceman]

That's an interesting suggestion. However, I still think Saoirse Ronan is the perfect pick for Jean. I'm not even a big Jean-fan and I'd be perfectly happy to have Jean as the film's main protagonist if she was played by someone of Ronan's talent and screen presence.

My pick for Emma Frost would be Sarah Gadon.

Yeah, I’d prefer her as Jean.

 

[Lip]

I don't see any reason to make Psylocke caucasian. She should be asian.

Also, I'd like to see a black woman or a latina playing Emma.

 

[Marvel united]

 

[DrCosmic]

Gadon seems like a fine enough choice. It's hard for me to care much about Emma's casting. The writing is what makes her character. As long as the actress seems suitably plastic, problem solved.

I don't see any reason to make Psylocke caucasian. She should be asian.

Also, I'd like to see a black woman or a latina playing Emma.

I honestly like her dying origin story, I think it's cool as hell and makes the character much more interesting than random Asian chick... it also explains why she's a ninja and the sister of Captain Britain. Also note the live action psylockes don't have this wrinkle and I'm not sure they're better for it or that there is an alternate background of Psylocke that could be made that is as interesting and rife for storytelling as the one in comics.

And while I'm all for race swapping, growing up not having to question her privilege is kind of a huge part of who Emma Frost is. That seems like it loses something.


I read this, and I really want to shoot whoever titled this. The so called insider is saying that the guy who doesn't want X-Men solos is going to be disappointed in what happens with Wolverine... this is, by any account good for Wolverine. *shrug*

 

[Marvel united]

Gadon seems like a fine enough choice. It's hard for me to care much about Emma's casting. The writing is what makes her character. As long as the actress seems suitably plastic, problem solved.



I honestly like her dying origin story, I think it's cool as hell and makes the character much more interesting than random Asian chick... it also explains why she's a ninja and the sister of Captain Britain. Also note the live action psylockes don't have this wrinkle and I'm not sure they're better for it or that there is an alternate background of Psylocke that could be made that is as interesting and rife for storytelling as the one in comics.

And while I'm all for race swapping, growing up not having to question her privilege is kind of a huge part of who Emma Frost is. That seems like it loses something.



I read this, and I really want to shoot whoever titled this. The so called insider is saying that the guy who doesn't want X-Men solos is going to be disappointed in what happens with Wolverine... this is, by any account good for Wolverine. *shrug*

Her origin would be too controversial to do in a movie. I don't see any way to do it. The only I could see it working is if you made Betsy asian. If you have to have a connection to Captain Britain, make them adopted brother and sister. That way you avoid another GITS backlash.


Regarding the "insider". He said Feige's plans are not good for Wolverine.


He also said there will be new X-Men used for more diversity. Feige wants the X-Men to look like the cast of Homecoming which wouldn't be really surprising. I think a much more diverse cast is an Inevitability

 

[Iceman]

Getting a Scott Summers like the leader he is in the comics is one of the main reasons why I'm excited about Feige getting an opportunity to introduce the X-Men in MCU; I want the magic elixir they used on Steve Rogers/Capt. America to be applied on Cyclops as well. We need a Cyclops who isn't just a rival for Jean's affection and a straight man to Wolverine's lone wolf personality and whose death in X3 affected nobody since he was just a throwaway character.

I can’t see Feige allowing Cyke to be stuffed up this time. I’m very optimistic on both Cyclops and Storm this time around, and am hopeful they are eventually co-leaders.

 

[Iceman]

I think the fact that Marvel has made Captain America, a character that people used to think was bored and too much of a boy scout, into a very popular cultural icon, is a major accomplishment. They could have given the leadership mantle to Iron Man or other more "conflicted" characters, but the fact that Cap remains who he is and still be the leader is what I envision Cyclops to be. Scott Summers isn't the problem; the problem is the people like Bryan Singer who doesn't like him and it shows on the big screen.

It’s a great sign of how they view these kinds of characters and proof that they can deal with them well.

 

[Iceman]

O'Brien was one of the front-runners for Civil War's and Homecoming's Spider-man in 2015. In other words, in Marvel's and Feige's eyes, he fit the teenager role four years ago. It would be different if he matured exponentially since then but no he hasn't really aged much in these four years.

Two years ago O'Brien was in a show called Teen Wolf. As Stan would say "'Nuff said."

90s Cyclops is the opposite of teenaged Scott. They should strive for someone built like Evans if they really are gonna go for a 90s Scott.

Stan knows best. He always knows the right things to say in these situations

 

[Frankeh]

Sounds like someone who just stole ideas from this very thread, and can’t even distinguish between your and you’re. I don’t buy it.

 

[DrCosmic]

Her origin would be too controversial to do in a movie. I don't see any way to do it. The only I could see it working is if you made Betsy asian. If you have to have a connection to Captain Britain, make them adopted brother and sister. That way you avoid another GITS backlash.

Regarding the "insider". He said Feige's plans are not good for Wolverine.

He also said there will be new X-Men used for more diversity. Feige wants the X-Men to look like the cast of Homecoming which wouldn't be really surprising. I think a much more diverse cast is an Inevitability

Honestly, you could make British Betsy anything other than White, and it would work. Brian could be adopted, or, if you really wanna have fun, he could be, say, South Asian as well.

Where did the insider say "Feige's plans are not good for Wolverine" because I remember being very upset with the article for misquoting the self proclaimed insider. Edit: Read the actual Reddit they're quoting and tell me if they were right to say that: