Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[ciscostudent561]

Hopefully Storm becomes the first lady of the MCU from the beginning with powers like Thor, and we get Bishop later down the line. The MCU has been more open to out-there stuff like time travel and the quantum realm than I expected so that has to help Bishop's chances.

As long as they don't villianize him like they did with the whole Hope summers thing. But yeah his characterization on TAS was on point, hopefully they can replicate that character.

 

[Iceman]

As long as they don't villianize him like they did with the whole Hope summers thing. But yeah his characterization on TAS was on point, hopefully they can replicate that character.

With the commitment to diversity that they've mentioned, I'm pretty confident that there will be long term plans for Bishop (maybe by the 3rd film). Kick off with Storm as one of the main characters of the whole MCU, and then get Bishop right at the appropriate time. TAS would be a good place to take guidance from on that front. I also hope we get Psylocke and Jubilee form the beginning.

 

[Marvel united]

I kinda prefer Bishop to be a morally grey character at times. He did initially start off as a villain after all, although it was rooted in a misunderstanding. And then he tried to kill Hope in Messiah Complex to prevent the mutant enslavement future from happening

 

[x-er]

What about Iceman or Cyclops as a latino? You won't have a hard time finding English-speaking latinos nowadays. Most of the guys you see on TV or movies tend to butcher their Spanish lines because all they speak is English And don't make Iceman gay, just leave the LGBT role for Northstar or Rictor.

I hope Nightcrawler sounds German. I think that would be more important than changing his race.

 

[Shikamaru]

Nightcrawler can be racebent, but I think he still has to be culturally German. By that I mean he should be born and raised in Germany and have the accent.

 

[Shikamaru]

Well, I still don't get it and I still don't feel like his german identity is irreplaceable and would change who he is. And I still feel like changing him to a latino, where catholicism has a huge influence is its culture, would change almost nothing about the character. And he would maintain all of his essence. It's not like making him japonese or indian.

We talked previously about updating Eric, and our points were doing it not only because his origin is set too long in the past, but also to modernize the X-Men, bringing oppresed minorities struggling right now. I feel like Kurt's change would fit into that, modernizing the X-Men.

I think compared to Magneto, Kurt has too many distinct characteristics of his culture such as the accent, the German expressions, and the swashbuckler personality (it's an archetype originating in European folklore).

And finally, an ethnic German Kurt can be a good metaphor for European xenophobia. Europe isn't a melting pot like America is, so many Europeans will judge someone's nationality by their ethnicity. There's Europeans of African and Asian descent whose families have been there for decades but are not considered "true German" or "true French". Having a minority Kurt of German nationality isn't just an opportunity to deal with that, but it can also show that non-whites can be 'just as German' as white Germans (I'm using Germany as an example but the same goes to the rest of Europe).

 

[ciscostudent561]

no latino Cyclops
if we have to make a new character, make a new character
and no bishop being morally grey
we go on and on about race relations and stuff i dont a poor representation of bishop and im sorry the hopes summers storyline was a bad representation

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wouldn't mind an Alaskan/polynesian cyclops.

 

[Lip]

I think the whole point of changing those characters is to represent those significant oppressed minorities that serve as inspiration for the X-Men, and that reflect all the metaphors they stand for.

If you're going to change them to something that don't represent those significant minorities, then don't change them at all. In my opinion there's no point. Keep them white then.

 

[Iceman]

From a guy in the New Mutants threads who over the last couple of years has been proven totally right on many inside issues with the Fox films:​

It may come sooner than you think. Disney definitely recognizes the interest in the property. And from what I've been told, the coming X-Men films and spin-offs are going to be multiplying faster than rabbits.....

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Disney/Marvel has had loose plans for the X-Men movies for years now, & now that they've got the rights, they are well prepared to make many a mutant film & to start profiting asap.

Look towards the Eternals...

They could talk about their plans right now, but the mouse is determined to keep things secret as long as they can.​

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[Lip]

"Disney/Marvel has had loose plans for the X-Men movies for years now, & now that they've got the rights, they are well prepared to make many a mutant film & to start profiting asap."

I take what this person says with much, much, much grain of salt. But if this is true, I'm really happy. I want to see the mutant universe expanded on the big (and small) screen as soon as possible.

 

[Iceman]

"Disney/Marvel has had loose plans for the X-Men movies for years now, & now that they've got the rights, they are well prepared to make many a mutant film & to start profiting asap."

I take what this person says with much, much, much grain of salt. But if this is true, I'm really happy. I want to see the mutant universe expanded on the big (and small) screen as soon as possible.

It wouldn't be surprising if Feige had loose plans like this on the film side at least. He seems like a guy who lays out his plans way in advance, but will have counter plans and alternative plans and be very flexible, as you need to be when handling a universe. He's a fan so there's nothing stopping him speculating like we do, just that his speculation counts!

 

[MilkmanDan]

And finally, an ethnic German Kurt can be a good metaphor for European xenophobia. Europe isn't a melting pot like America is, so many Europeans will judge someone's nationality by their ethnicity. There's Europeans of African and Asian descent whose families have been there for decades but are not considered "true German" or "true French". Having a minority Kurt of German nationality isn't just an opportunity to deal with that, but it can also show that non-whites can be 'just as German' as white Germans (I'm using Germany as an example but the same goes to the rest of Europe).

I think the whole point of changing those characters is to represent those significant oppressed minorities that serve as inspiration for the X-Men, and that reflect all the metaphors they stand for.

If you're going to change them to something that don't represent those significant minorities, then don't change them at all. In my opinion there's no point. Keep them white then.

I think Shikamaru makes a good point. A non-white actor playing the famously German Nightcrawler, without changing the character's nationality, could be interesting. And it would fit nicely in to the themes of the X-Men, as per Lip's request.

 

[Lip]

A non-white actor playing the famously German Nightcrawler, without changing the character's nationality, could be interesting.

Kurt is blue. So having a non white actor playing him while keeping him german wouldn't make any difference. IMO it would make things worse since you're hiding his skin color.

Having a non white actor playing him counts for representation behind the camera, but not for the oppressed minorities in front of it.

 

[Marvel united]

From a guy in the New Mutants threads who over the last couple of years has been proven totally right on many inside issues with the Fox films:​

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This is great news if true. Marvel getting ready to jumpstart X-Mania for a new age.

I wouldn't mind an Alaskan/polynesian cyclops.

KJ Apa Is half Polynesian. Just saying..

 

[sleekstereo]

The simple and easy way to introduce mutants into the MCU is to keep the evolution aspect.

They can easily explain that in order to fight intergalactic, supernatural, and predatory threats, humans naturally evolved. It was a slow evolvement over over centuries, but over the last 100 years it increased due to World Wars, nuclear and chemical weapons, genocide. And in the last 15 years, it exploded because of increased intergalactic threats.

Mutation is humanity's defence mechanism.

 

[Marvel united]

The simple and easy way to introduce mutants into the MCU is to keep the evolution aspect.

They can easily explain that in order to fight intergalactic, supernatural, and predatory threats, humans naturally evolved. It was a slow evolvement over over centuries, but over the last 100 years it increased due to World Wars, nuclear and chemical weapons, genocide. And in the last 15 years, it exploded because of increased intergalactic threats.

Mutation is humanity's defence mechanism.

I've been a fan of this theory for a long time. Accelerated evolution in humans. The only problem is how to explain why mutants are suddenly public and how exactly they've all been living in the shadows for 15 years since that's when mutations spiked. So what i would do is make Infinity War/Endgame fallout trigger accelerated evolution i.e the Snap/What the Avengers have to do to reverse it

 

[Darkprime]

I reckon that fixing the snap changes things in the original timeline and things dont go back to 100% as they were and the existence of mutants and the F4 are just a couple of those differences. When reality is restored. Then you use eternals to explain the origin of the mutants in the new timeline .

 

[Marvel united]

I reckon that fixing the snap changes things in the original timeline and things dont go back to 100% as they were and the existence of mutants and the F4 are just a couple of those differences. When reality is restored. Then you use eternals to explain the origin of the mutants in the new timeline .

Personally, I'm not a fan of this idea for a similar reason to why I don't want veteran X-Men. I really want to see the seeds of mutant hysteria in the MCU. I want to see how the world reacts to mutants emerging in mass for the first time, how the Avengers react to it and how Congress starts introducing policies that oppress mutants. I would like to see the dichotomy between mutates and mutants established in the first movie. They should treat as a disease that is spreading all around the world and nobody can stop it.

Plus every Phase 4 film has to acknowledge the existence of mutants now because they all take place in a world where mutants have always existed and are a major issue in the MCU.

 

[Marvel united]

I had an idea that ties back into the notion the X-Men being more technologically advanced in the MCU. Everybody is split over whether Cyclops should have a cowl or not but what if we got both looks? What If he had a retractable helmet that folded over his head ala:

Or:

This also gives us an excuse to have the 90s head/neck sock in the movie. The segments would form from the back of the head to conglomerate into the helmet. The 90s design as the default/base Cyclops look and the helmet/cowl would form for fight scenes.


The MCU is moving more into technology motif heroes so it makes sense for the X-Men to have more advanced suits. Even Spider-Man got a tech upgrade.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

From a guy in the New Mutants threads who over the last couple of years has been proven totally right on many inside issues with the Fox films:​

This is not true.​

 

[BoredGuy]

I reckon that fixing the snap changes things in the original timeline and things dont go back to 100% as they were and the existence of mutants and the F4 are just a couple of those differences. When reality is restored. Then you use eternals to explain the origin of the mutants in the new timeline .

I still kind of just want the F4 to step off a shuttle and say they were off exploring another dimension, or maybe they're found in the quantum realm during A4... not that the timeline was changed, but they've just been off doing that all these years and nobody knew
For the X-Men, I could see something along the lines of the whole "the snap (or maybe 'the incident') accelerated mutation" idea
Apocalypse, Xavier(and by extension Cassandra Nova), Magneto, Wolverine, Sabertooth and a few others have been around for a while but mutation was extremely rare and they kept low profiles; Cyke, Jean, Emma, the rest of the O5 and Storm are part of the second generation born in the early 80's when mutations really began to pick up speed, but they're still such an extreme minority that very few people know about them... then after the Chitauri invasion or the snap mutations begin exploding and mutants go from a handful to over a million in just a few short years. Ya got some older, college age people (Gambit, Rogue, the New Mutants) some high schoolers (Gen X) and some very young teens (Armor, New X-Men, etc) to give it some nice variety and make it feel more like a full species, as opposed to a bunch of superpowered teenagers

 

[THORin]

Gods above, I literally just had an argument on another forum with someone who believes that after Avengers 4, superhero films will stop being made because X-Men apparently will fail because the casting will be wrong, and it won't "live up to the original", and because the characters in Fantastic 4 are "hokey". I tried to explain that he's wrong, that nobody likes the original X-Men that much, but he won't see reason. I'm flabbergasted that anybody feels that way.

According to this person, Black Panther 2 will also fail at the box-office, Far From Home will be messed up, Black Widow will have to live up to Wonder Woman AND Captain Marvel in order to succeed, and Guardians 3 will never get made.

 

[BoredGuy]

Yikes, that's pretty ridiculous
I will say it does feel like a bit of a precarious time for the MCU, they have to transition from the first three phases into a new era with new lead actors taking the spotlight, and they have to stick the landing perfectly on that to get people to come along for the ride
But it's Marvel, and Feige, and I have no reason to doubt that if anyone can nail that, they can... BP already did bonkers Box Office so I'm 100% sure the sequel will as well, and Strange 2 is eagerly anticipated, so they have a good base to work from

 

[Abudefduf]

Gods above, I literally just had an argument on another forum with someone who believes that after Avengers 4, superhero films will stop being made because X-Men apparently will fail because the casting will be wrong, and it won't "live up to the original", and because the characters in Fantastic 4 are "hokey". I tried to explain that he's wrong, that nobody likes the original X-Men that much, but he won't see reason. I'm flabbergasted that anybody feels that way.

According to this person, Black Panther 2 will also fail at the box-office, Far From Home will be messed up, Black Widow will have to live up to Wonder Woman AND Captain Marvel in order to succeed, and Guardians 3 will never get made.

Is that person trying to win the award for worst take of the week or