Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[BoredGuy]

Yeah any pastey white guy should do lol

 

[Darkprime]

Yeah, because Cyclops is soooooooo hard to cast

Your point? I simply a made a suggestion no need to get snarky about it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Henry Cavill would make a great Cykes.

I’m still crossing my fingers for Emma Watson as Jean Grey.

 

[TheVileOne]

Right. But this is a speculation thread. Isn't this how it has always worked at the Hype? The point of these threads, when there is no news, is for fans to speculate/fantasise about the possibilities with other fans. That's why I joined and why I keep coming back. It's a lot of fun to me. I understand if others just want to wait for official confirmations and not engage before that.

Yes of course. But it's still premature to say with any certainty we are going to see Marvel/Rogue/Mystique done a certain way. I doubt Marvel would want to put their new big female action hero out of commission that way.

 

[MilkmanDan]

Yeah, because Cyclops is soooooooo hard to cast

Sure, it's easy to find someone who looks the part. That's why I've never understood people who thought James Marsden was a great pick based on his looks alone. Yes, he looked a lot like the Scott Summers from the comics, but, then again, so did Eric Bana when he wore those same red shades in Black Hawk Down.

Casting a good Cyclops comes down to finding someone who can emote without the help of his eyes and who can play a character who's both an awkward geek and a stoic, no-nonsense combat leader.

Henry Cavill would make a great Cykes.

I’m still crossing my fingers for Emma Watson as Jean Grey.

If I had to pick a thirtysomething Henry, I think I'd go with Golding.

I like the Emma Watson suggestion. She might be my favourite right after Saoirse Ronan.

 

[Mad Ones]

I haven't seen anyone say anything with certainty here.

 

[Frankeh]

Yes of course. But it's still premature to say with any certainty we are going to see Marvel/Rogue/Mystique done a certain way. I doubt Marvel would want to put their new big female action hero out of commission that way.

Then let's discuss why it would or wouldn't happen, but if we're gonna limit ourselves to "we don't know what's gonna happen", there's no point in posting in this thread anymore.

 

[Iceman]

Yes of course. But it's still premature to say with any certainty we are going to see Marvel/Rogue/Mystique done a certain way. I doubt Marvel would want to put their new big female action hero out of commission that way.

I don't think anyone can have certainty about anything regarding MCU X-Men at this point. Feige should have an open book to use as he sees fit. But speculation about Rogue and CM is a natural thing to expect in a thread like this at a time when there is no info at all. I find it fun to talk about even if it never happens and if there is never any hint of it happening. And just on this particular topic, if it were to happen I don't expect CM to be out of commission at all as she will be a leading light for the MCU at the time of a sequel. But she can still go into a coma with her entire sleep period being skipped over offscreen. That way you don't miss a beat with her and also have serious character material for her own development and solo films. This Rogue connection is the kind of thing that will get brought up due to comics history but I think everyone here knows that at present we have no real clue as to anything that will happen.

 

[Darkprime]

#CaptainMarvel is ABOUT TO TAKE THE LEAD AND BE IN THE FORE FRONT OF THE ENTIRE MCU” - Kevin Feige

 

[Frankeh]

I want a scene like this where Dark Phoenix takes down almost all the MCU heroes:

EDIT: Just realized this clip has a very violent part, don't want to break rules.

 

[Marvel united]

Whoever plays Scott needs be a legitimately strong actor. What makes him Interesting in the comics is how he hides his feelings and keeps thing bottled up inside himself. He has more on his plate than any member of the X-Men. And the eyes are going to be covered for all of his scenes. We need an actor that can incorporate the lack of eye/perfomance coordination into the character itself. The eyes being covered are symbolism for who Scott Summers is. If done right, he could be one of the most interesting leads in the MCU.

 

[Derrick]

I'm curious if we could do a First Class thing with no Cyclops and Jean Grey even...or at least replace Jean Grey with Emma Frost...Jean Grey is just too powerful, and like Professor X, defeated the whole purpose of the Apocalypse movie simply because she could just incinerate Apocalypse with her thoughts.

What would be an interesting mash up would be MCU rebooting X-Men from the beginning, also occurring in the past, with the oldest characters (ie Professor X, Magneto, and Wolverine) building the X-Men team from scratch, but also including Princess Elsa from the Frozen movies. Elsa is a mutant, as she can create ice out of thin air since birth. Elsa could replace Iceman.

 

[Frankeh]

Jean Grey in Apocalypse was just bad writing from Kinberg and Singer. Should have no bearing on MCU Jean.

 

[Marvel united]

Is the Elsa thing a joke?

 

[KBX]

You know I think Sophie Turner would make a very good MCU Jean Grey

 

[Marvel united]

Somebody suggested her for Storm earlier this year but Kiki Layne is gaining a lot of notoriety with her breakout performance in Beale Street. Wouldn't be surprised if she gains Marvel's attention.

 

[Lip]

But we both know this is not the main reason why people are excited over this deal. The X-Men being integrated into the wider Marvel universe, having crossovers with other Marvel heroes is a major selling point of this acquisition.

I won't drag this too much because we disagree. I just want to make clear I'm not arguing the mutant universe should be a separate thing. They can interact with each other all the time: Beast in Avengers, Carol vs Rogue, Logan and Hulk, Xavier and the Illuminati, etc... I'm simply arguing that I believe the mutants heroes deserve the spotlight without having to share it with now huge stars like Avengers or Guardians. I don't remember the Avengers fighting Apocalypse or Sinister. IMO, the X-Men big villains should be saved for X-Men/mutant crossovers. When the spotlight is on them only. I do think they deserve that. As I think the Avengers deserve their stories without involving the entire MCU.

I want to see mutant crossover events like Mutant Massacre, Fatal Attraction, Inferno, X-Cutioners Song, Fall of Mutants and others... Stories that involve mutant heroes only and put the spotlight on them. We can have crossovers involving the entire MCU with more proper stories like Secret Wars or something like that. But allow the mutants have their own spotlight. They're great.

And yeah, as big of a threat as Phoenix can be, if ever done in the MCU, it should be an intimate story involving the X-Men. Throwing the entire MCU against Phoenix would ruin the story, IMO.

 

[Iceman]

I think as the MCU continues to grow there will be room for separate Avengers and X-Men events, and then entire MCU events.

 

[Darkprime]

I think as the MCU continues to grow there will be room for separate Avengers and X-Men events, and then entire MCU events.

This is why I think there's a bit of support for the MCU X-Men to be in their own universe with occasional crossovers via doctor strange opening a portal or something. The x-men is a huge franchise with the potential hundreds of spin-offs of its own I do wonder how they'll introduce them without making it feel convoluted or without retcons.

 

[Marvel united]

This is why I think there's a bit of support for the MCU X-Men to be in their own universe with occasional crossovers via doctor strange opening a portal or something. The x-men is a huge franchise with the potential hundreds of spin-offs of its own I do wonder how they'll introduce them without making it feel convoluted or without retcons.

Pretty simple way to do it: start from the beginning. Xavier's first class of X-Men formed in real time. No Sentinels, no Morlocks, no Magneto, no secret Genosha paradise. None of that in the first movie. Mutants are basically a new phenomenon. That's the most simple, non-convoluted way to introduce these characters without retcons and plot holes that don't make sense. It doesn't have to be as complicated as many make it out to be.

 

[Marvel united]

I won't drag this too much because we disagree. I just want to make clear I'm not arguing the mutant universe should be a separate thing. They can interact with each other all the time: Beast in Avengers, Carol vs Rogue, Logan and Hulk, Xavier and the Illuminati, etc... I'm simply arguing that I believe the mutants heroes deserve the spotlight without having to share it with now huge stars like Avengers or Guardians. I don't remember the Avengers fighting Apocalypse or Sinister. IMO, the X-Men big villains should be saved for X-Men/mutant crossovers. When the spotlight is on them only. I do think they deserve that. As I think the Avengers deserve their stories without involving the entire MCU.

And I don't disagree on that front. But it really depends on how big of a threat the antagonist is. Apocalypse sabotaging Ship/sending the Dark Riders after the X-Men and trying to kill Nathan Summers could be a self-contained story that doesn't require interference from other heroes (even though Captain America and the F4 briefly appeared in Endgame)

But you're gonna adapt Age of Apocalypse, then yes -- everybody has to get involved. Because the events of that story would affect everybody in the MCU, even If the focus was almost entirely on the X-Men.

want to see mutant crossover events like Mutant Massacre, Fatal Attraction, Inferno, X-Cutioners Song, Fall of Mutants and others... Stories that involve mutant heroes only and put the spotlight on them. We can have crossovers involving the entire MCU with more proper stories like Secret Wars or something like that. But allow the mutants have their own spotlight. They're great.

I want to see all of these stories adapted too. Especially Mutant Massacre and Fatal Attractions. And they can, without the Avengers getting involved, because the lot of these stories don't have world-ending stakes except maybe Fall of Mutants and Inferno. X-Cutioner's song is mostly a self-contained story with various mutant factions as is Mutant Massacre. X-Men: inferno, however, DID have involvement from all of the major heroes in NYC when Wiz Kid opened the portal from Limbo. So that could potentially serve as a major crossover event for the MCU.

And yeah, as big of a threat as Phoenix can be, if ever done in the MCU, it should be an intimate story involving the X-Men. Throwing the entire MCU against Phoenix would ruin the story, IMO.

I disagree. The core heart of Civil War (Rogers and Bucky) was not lost because it was a major crossover event for the MCU. It was still very clearly a Captain America movie. Infinity War wasn't a watered down Avengers movie because the Guardians, Strange and Wakanda was involved. As long Marvel keeps the focus of Dark Phoenix on Jean's downfall and the emotional turmoil it inflicts on the X-Men, tearing the team apart -- it will not be ruined. If anything, having the Avengers fight the X-Men over the fate of Jean makes the story more impactful because it once again reinforces the "Us against them" philosophy of the franchise. The X-Men being the only group to truly care about mutant issues and the Avengers becoming an extension of the Government that is persecuting them.

 

[Frankeh]

Somebody suggested her for Storm earlier this year but Kiki Layne is gaining a lot of notoriety with her breakout performance in Beale Street. Wouldn't be surprised if she gains Marvel's attention.

I haven't seen Beale Street, but I watched an interview of her and I think I like her for Storm. She has that regal look to her and a strong voice. It's not Angela Bassett, but it could work.

 

[Raiden]

This is why I think there's a bit of support for the MCU X-Men to be in their own universe with occasional crossovers via doctor strange opening a portal or something. The x-men is a huge franchise with the potential hundreds of spin-offs of its own I do wonder how they'll introduce them without making it feel convoluted or without retcons.

It can be done with Quantum Realm in Endgame, if they used it to change the universe and reality itself. I think it's setup perfectly to do it, and just in time as well.

 

[Shoppy]

The only way to do it properly for me would be to get all the classic characters in there asap, which itself would take a trilogy and several spin-offs...

UNCANNY X-MEN
Start with Xavier's original class of Cyclops, Beast, Angel and Ice-man and add Jean at the start of the first film,and Havok and Polaris at the end of it. Keep the Brotherhood out of the first film but feature Magneto working independently but manipulating other early X-men adversaries who later became allies like Juggernaught, Banshee and Sunfire. ..... and an appearance from Mimic,


GIANT SIZE X-MEN
Introduce Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler and Thunderbird alongside Banshee and Sunfire to rescue the original team, with Kitty Pryde as a student at the school, and also introduce some of the Brotherhood Of Mutants (Mystique, Toad, Pyro, Avalanche, Destiny, Blob and Rogue), with Polaris and Rogue both switching sides by the end of the film, Thunderbird dies, Banshee and Sunfire leave and the next film starts with two teams of X-Men


THIRD X-MEN FILM:
Start with a first team of Cyclops, Beast, Angel, Ice-man, Jean Grey and Havok,
and a second team of Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Rogue
By the end of the film Scott, Hank, Warren, Bobby and Jean have formed X-Factor,
Nightcrawler and Shadowcat (to eXcalibur), Wolverine (to solo exploits) and Rogue (to Gambit team-up) have left
Havok, Storm, Colossus, Forge, Psylocke, Dazzler and Longshot are the X-Men post-credits, and next movie we get Bishop..

 

[Lip]

And they can, without the Avengers getting involved, because the lot of these stories don't have world-ending stakes except maybe Fall of Mutants and Inferno.

IW involves all the heroes because how big Thanos is or because in the comics it was a huge Marvel crossover as well? And also, why not having Apocalypse as an "end of the world threat" and having the X-Men and other mutants handling him? Why can't the X-Men be the heroes saving the world? They deserve that as well. Apocalypse is a X-Men villain and I feel it'd be super unfair to see the Avengers "stealing" Apocalypse from the X-Men and their roles as "saviors". I really dislike the idea of the X-Men having to share their big villains with the Avengers and the rest of the MCU.

I disagree. The core heart of Civil War (Rogers and Bucky) was not lost because it was a major crossover event for the MCU.

Civil War was a huge Marvel event in the comics. Like, really huge. The Phoenix Saga wasn't. The Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga is an X-Men story only and, IMO, should be more intimate focusing on the team and Jean. The Avengers and the rest of the MCU would take a massive amount of screentime away from what it really matters. And like I said, CW was a big crossover events and had to deal with other stuff beyond the Cap/Bucky relationship, which is why the rest of the heroes were there as well.

If the future of the X-Men in the MCU is them not being worthy of having their own big stories, with big villains and big challenges (either emotionally like The Phoenix, or world-ending like Apocalypse), then I'd rather keep them at the FOX-verse in Kinberg's hand than handling them to Mr. Feige.