Dark of the Moon Michael Bay has killed Transformers for me

[marvelman2006]

Oh yes they do. Watch Bad Boys 2. Why did we need to see rats missionary style humping? Armageddon is full of sex jokes.

The Island and Pearl Harbor are about the only 2 Bay movies were he toned down his Bayisms to a tolerable level.

I wonder if he does that because he thinks maybe the audience will loose interest unless he throws something eye poping on screen? I understand hes the director and its his baby but take a not from spielberg and just let the story tell its self, imagine if we were watching jaws and all the sudden hooper starts humping the steering wheel and brody starts telling cock jokes and quinn starts getting high on brownies he brought with him and starts shooting beer cans.

I do agree that if we had to compare then yes the island and pearl harbor were his "grown up movies". I still think the island was his best movie to date in terms of story, action and acting.

 

[Ipodman]

The island had good action scenes, but the film was so long and draggy. Pearl Harbour;s length was even worse, and the plot dragged on forever

 

[chaseter]

I never said his movies didn't have any. Just not as much as ROTF.

I would say Bad Boys 2 tops ROTF...it is filled to the brim with crude humor.

 

[marvelman2006]

The island had good action scenes, but the film was so long and draggy. Pearl Harbour;s length was even worse, and the plot dragged on forever

I can see that, I still wish they would have not let out the secret to the movie in the previews when it came out. pearl harbor was a trek to say the least. I still dont know why the movie didnt end right after the attack and roosevelts speech. why go on another hour?

 

[marvelman2006]

I would say Bad Boys 2 tops ROTF...it is filled to the brim with crude humor.

how can we forget:

- the tortilla bin
- the dead bodies being thrown on the streets in a pursuit
- the dead women at the morgue with her rack
- the ectasy scene with lawerence at the captains house
- the reggie picking up his daughter scene
- the tv store/ gay scene broadcasted
- the kkk opening scene
- the rats humping in the attic

 

[Ipodman]

I can see that, I still wish they would have not let out the secret to the movie in the previews when it came out. pearl harbor was a trek to say the least. I still dont know why the movie didnt end right after the attack and roosevelts speech. why go on another hour?

if pearl habour was shorter.. i could have liked it better. That final flight that the two boys went on was so redundant as you said.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I would say Bad Boys 2 tops ROTF...it is filled to the brim with crude humor.

I gotta watch it again. I've forgotten half of it.

I know it's immature, but I actually like crude humour. I can't help it. It makes me laugh.

 

[marvelman2006]

if pearl habour was shorter.. i could have liked it better. That final flight that the two boys went on was so redundant as you said.

I guess bay felt the need to show the good ole boys getting revenge. If I could change the ending I would have it be that we find out she is still pregnant with the one friends baby prior to the harbor attack but have him die in the attack and still get the same reaction. have it end with roosevelts declaration of war then flash foward to the end of the war and we see them on the ranch like the original ending and you cut out almost an hour of nonsense to get the same result. I wish someone was there to suggest this to bay.

 

[Ipodman]

It's basically a very simple story but Bay stylized it into some sort of commercial for I dont know what. And that goes for all his movies

 

[C. Lee]

Mannn...

Take a month off.

 

[marvelman2006]

It's basically a very simple story but Bay stylized it into some sort of commercial for I dont know what. And that goes for all his movies

thats true, as much as I loved the island I got a tad annoyed at how much product placement there was. like when they got there food and water at the facility the camera zoomed in on the water maker. I understand though the nature of the beast that is product placement but man do they have to go out of the way to annoy the audience? back to transformers though I am surprised when you look back at both films how very little product placement there is except for the cars.

 

[knowsbleed]

thats true, as much as I loved the island I got a tad annoyed at how much product placement there was. like when they got there food and water at the facility the camera zoomed in on the water maker. I understand though the nature of the beast that is product placement but man do they have to go out of the way to annoy the audience? back to transformers though I am surprised when you look back at both films how very little product placement there is except for the cars.

Well, it's a unique situation as the title characters ARE the product placement. Not just for GM... but for Hasbro primarily.

 

[Ipodman]

At least he is forced to put some morals and values into the Transformers movies..

 

[marvelman2006]

Well, it's a unique situation as the title characters ARE the product placement. Not just for GM... but for Hasbro primarily.

true, I have question though does anyone feel bay can redeem himself with the third movie? If not the brightside is he's done anyway with the franchise.

 

[Chris B]

true, I have question though does anyone feel bay can redeem himself with the third movie? If not the brightside is he's done anyway with the franchise.

Personally, I think its a matter of giving Bay a decent and coherent script and somebody reigning him in when it comes to the comedy.

I mean, I have a few of my own fanboy gripes with how Bay has approached the mythos, but TF1 was still a solid summer film despite its flaws. And I think the same would've been true of ROTF had the writers' strike never happened.

 

[knowsbleed]

Haha, even Orci and Kurtzman know the deal:

Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman, the writers behind the first two "Transformers" movies, are now working on "Transformers Prime" TV series.​

The duo has now released a funny video showing the making of this new animated show. At one point, Kurtzman comes up with a great idea, stating "What if Megatron barfs?" Orci doesn't like it and says that they should "save that for the movies, this actually has to be good."​

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=19845&count=0

 

[marvelman2006]

Personally, I think its a matter of giving Bay a decent and coherent script and somebody reigning him in when it comes to the comedy.

I mean, I have a few of my own fanboy gripes with how Bay has approached the mythos, but TF1 was still a solid summer film despite its flaws. And I think the same would've been true of ROTF had the writers' strike never happened.

couldnt agree more, I wonder if spielberg said on the second one for him to take the humor down a notch? You can see the story suffered because of the stirke and them rushing it. I remember watching it in the theater and telling my fiance that it felt so all over the place.

 

[marvelman2006]

Haha, even Orci and Kurtzman know the deal:



http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=19845&count=0

too true, its ashame these 2 didnt want to come back for the third but I cant blame them.

 

[Ipodman]

It's a pity that Michael Bay stepped all over them in the second movie....

 

[Marvin]

At least he is forced to put some morals and values into the Transformers movies..

this is film, not sunday school, the purpose of art is in no way related to enforcing virture ethics...

and again as usually only bay films are seen for the cesspools of filth that they are...never to mention all the morality in other films such as and ranging from the Crank series to Scorsese's pictures(the earlier ones) to godfather, to the hangover...etc

not everyone is stanley kramer...but then again in bay mvoies crime does pay...oh wait, that was the usual suspects and inception.

 

[Golgo-13]

couldnt agree more, I wonder if spielberg said on the second one for him to take the humor down a notch? You can see the story suffered because of the stirke and them rushing it. I remember watching it in the theater and telling my fiance that it felt so all over the place.

I believe that Speilburg had a lot less to do with TF2 than he did with TF1. I remember the behind the scenes stuff for the first movie; Speilburg would come on set and watch the dailies, and would comment on a lot of the comedy and say 'that wasn't in the script'; apparently he let it fly. He had more of a backseat role for TF2 - by choice, i assume.

 

[marvelman2006]

I believe that Speilburg had a lot less to do with TF2 than he did with TF1. I remember the behind the scenes stuff for the first movie; Speilburg would come on set and watch the dailies, and would comment on a lot of the comedy and say 'that wasn't in the script'; apparently he let it fly. He had more of a backseat role for TF2 - by choice, i assume.

thats a shame, Im really wanted to lke rotf but there were too many plotholes to look past, Im not asking for shakespeare here but just a story that isnt so complex and over indulgent. I still laugh at how if sam dies he goes to robot heaven breifly and the matrix is majically put back together

YOU CANT WRITE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Timstuff]

Keep in mind that the script was only 2/3 done when they stopped working on it due to the writers' strike. They had to bring in a third writer to finish it, and honestly I think he was overwhelmed by the material and didn't know how to pull things together in time for the shoot. I don't think that anyone specifically deserves the blame for ROTF's script, because it was made during a writer's strike and most of the tentpole movies that year were suffering from it.

 

[Marvin]

scripts? written by other filmmakers? that have to be stuido approved? writers strike?
but michael bay shoots his movies directly from his mind...

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Damn writers strike.

Every movie effected had ugly racist stereotypes, drug humor, giant testicles, dogs humping, robots farting, characters begging for toilet paper with their pants down, and close ups of man-ass.

All that was a direct result of the writers strike, right?