Mission: Impossible - Fallout - Part 1

[matrix_ghost]

This needs to be a meme !t:

 

[Mysteryman]

I would like to see Vanessa Redgrave's max again in the franchise if they are looking to bring back old characters.

The biggest argument for this person being Max Is that I believe that they \commemorated the 20th anniversary of the original while filming the earlier parts of this cinematic endeavor.
Thats not proof of course, but it would have been a nice way to mark the anniversary.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I don't think the MI series is for me because I like MI2 but couldn't make it through MI4; that movie bored me to tears. I have no problem admitting that the films just aren't for me. I liked MI2's action and story and I even liked the romance though looking back it seems too rushed.

I remember hearing Henry was the villain of the movie but it doesn't really look like it unless he's a last minute switch.

 

[Elayis]

I don't think the MI series is for me because I like MI2 but couldn't make it through MI4; that movie bored me to tears. I have no problem admitting that the films just aren't for me. I liked MI2's action and story and I even liked the romance though looking back it seems too rushed.

Yeah, I like 1 & 2, but I haven't liked any of the others so far, I particularly disliked Ghost Protocol. Both the filmmakers and audiences seem to like the more comedic, "epic" style the franchise has adopted but it's not one I enjoy. I much prefer the more dramatic, tactile and intimate feel of first two films. The first film in particular was much darker and similar to classic spy films.

Maybe the Abrams-produced style is more in-line with the show, but I wouldn't know; never seen it. That might make the films more faithful to the source material, but it's not a change I like.

 

[samsnee]

The first one was definitely a more intimate, spy driven affair. It’s why it’s still my favorite and why nothing in the series will top the tension of the Langley heist.

The second went too overboard on the action. The last few have found the right balance which is why they have been more successful. I remember when the first one came out, there were jokes about the plot being too confusing.

 

[Elayis]

Sounds like the typical response to some of Nolan's films, even though they're pretty straightforward and explain themselves rather obviously. I think a lot of moviegoers are simply lazy and want the story to be spoon-fed to them.

 

[Loki882]

It's a freaking MI film, who cares? I don't know when trying to be overly-complicated and convoluted and just not telling the audience things became the ONLY way to tell a good story for some people. That explaining basic plot details at all became "spoon-feeding" the audience, or that you're "lazy" if you want that, but it is a trend that I disagree with strongly.

It sounds, kind of pretentious, a lot of the time honestly.

 

[Ninjablade]

I thought the first Mission Impossible’s story was pretty straight forward. Heck that movie does explain everything to you in the end.

 

[Deck Rickard]

It's a freaking MI film, who cares? I don't know when trying to be overly-complicated and convoluted and just not telling the audience things became the ONLY way to tell a good story for some people. That explaining basic plot details at all became "spoon-feeding" the audience, or that you're "lazy" if you want that, but it is a trend that I disagree with strongly.

It sounds, kind of pretentious, a lot of the time honestly.

Seriously. I feel like every time a movie comes out that’s easier to follow than Blow-Up, people accuse it of spoonfeeding to the audience.

And I’m sorry, I can’t take anyone seriously who honestly believes that M:I 2 is a better movie than M:I GP. That feels like someone just trying to be contrarian. I mean, come on. That’s like saying BvS is better than The Dark Knight.

(Waits for someone to make that very statement next)

 

[Kaleb]

 

[Elayis]

Way to blow my comment out of proportion. I was only responding to samsnee's statement that a contemporary view pf M:I upon its release was that it was confusing. I was only saying that that film was in no way confusing or complicated, and that people who thought that about that film were simply lazy viewers. I wasn't implying anything more than that.

As for M:I-2 vs Ghost Protocol, as I said earlier in the thread I first saw 2 when I was 8. It's hard to be objective about that film that I saw at such an early age and was something that I enjoyed very much for a number of years.

However, that doesn't stop me from wholeheartedly stating that Ghost Protocol is without a doubt a bad movie. People may enjoy it, but it has serious fundamental structural and character problems; it's the only M:I film that I outright dislike. I might disagree with certainly stylistic & story decisions that Rogue Nation made, but I can admit that it was (mostly) well crafted. Can't say the same for GP.

 

[dark_b]

because of all the M:I-2 talk i listened to Zimmer's score again. perfection.

 

[Elayis]

Yep, one of the few things about that film that, at least to me, is hard to find fault with. There are still the traditionalists who loathe Zimmer's more bombastic and synth-based style, but that's a very small minority.

It's tied with Rogue Nation as my favorite score of the series, and it's also in my top 10 of Zimmer's career. Again, part of that is probably due to having grown up with it.

 

[Marvolo]

Seriously. I feel like every time a movie comes out that’s easier to follow than Blow-Up, people accuse it of spoonfeeding to the audience.

And I’m sorry, I can’t take anyone seriously who honestly believes that M:I 2 is a better movie than M:I GP. That feels like someone just trying to be contrarian. I mean, come on. That’s like saying BvS is better than The Dark Knight.

(Waits for someone to make that very statement next)

It might be hard to accept but not everyone was enamored with Ghost Protocol. I enjoy MI2 more than Ghost Protocol. The editing of Ghost Protocol is lethargic at times, the film let's scenes linger on the wrong moments, and the villain is more one dimensional and underdeveloped than a typical MCU villain which is pretty damn bad. Overall the film is just bland.

 

[TheVileOne]

The story for the first Mission: Impossible worked well enough IMO. Not sure why everyone had so many problems with it at the time.

Phelps was the bad guy and organized the destruction of his own team in order to steal that NOC list and sell it for the highest bidder because he wanted to cash out. The job basically implicated Hunt as a mole within IMF . Ethan Hunt figured it out and exposed Phelps as the legit mole to IMF after Hunt was basically framed.

 

[Mysteryman]

The story for the first Mission: Impossible worked well enough IMO. Not sure why everyone had so many problems with it at the time.

Phelps was the bad guy and organized the destruction of his own team in order to steal that NOC list and sell it for the highest bidder because he wanted to cash out. The job basically implicated Hunt as a mole within IMF . Ethan Hunt figured it out and exposed Phelps as the legit mole to IMF after Hunt was basically framed.

I always understood and indeed, enjoyed the first film.
Over two decades later, and its still a regular mainstay on cable.
The original Mission Impossible film has stood the test of time.

 

[TheVileOne]

I always understood and indeed, enjoyed the first film.
Over two decades later, and its still a regular mainstay on cable.
The original Mission Impossible film has stood the test of time.

Meanwhile in MI2, I never got why Sean Ambrose was in the IMF. Also, did the IMF put him on the mission with that doctor to transport the virus? It's been a while, but that's how it came off. Like they used Ambrose (Dougray Scott) because they couldn't get Hunt who was on vacation.

Just seems IMF is cool with hiring psychopaths who turn on them.

 

[Faora]

Alternate IMAX-poster.

 

[Marvolo]

Meanwhile in MI2, I never got why Sean Ambrose was in the IMF. Also, did the IMF put him on the mission with that doctor to transport the virus? It's been a while, but that's how it came off. Like they used Ambrose (Dougray Scott) because they couldn't get Hunt who was on vacation.

Just seems IMF is cool with hiring psychopaths who turn on them.

IMF used him as a double for Ethan from time to time.

 

[TheVileOne]

IMF used him as a double for Ethan from time to time.

It seemed like an interesting idea that the movie glossed over. I know the movie needed a lot of movie fixing done on it before it got released. The movie at times is a little rough in terms of editing.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

It's production hype, what are you going to do? They're trying to hype the movie and the production and Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is one of the biggest movie stars on the planet but they want to make him look like a serious stunt man who is doing all his own stunts and is more than just a pampered, fluffed movie star.

It's not production hype if it's true, he is known to do his own stunts and as he's grown older he has become famous for it. It's something he should be praised for because most actors don't do it.

As for the overall franchise I am not a fan of spy films, I found it hard to sit through Skyfall (but I made it). I do like MI2 over GP and don't care how serious someone doesn't take me because of it. The story of MI as explained on here sounds interesting and intriguing. I'll give these writers credit for creating complicated but good stories.

 

[Mysteryman]

Do we know of any other musical contributor to this film besides Imagine Dragons?

 

[Marvolo]

Imagone Dragons arent involved in the film are they?

 

[Brian Braddock]

It's not production hype if it's true, he is known to do his own stunts and as he's grown older he has become famous for it. It's something he should be praised for because most actors don't do it.

Tend to agree. Plus it puts a stop to those stories that they tend to put out from time to time about Cruise saving someone from the wreckage of a crashed car/burning building etc.......

 

[Mysteryman]

Imagone Dragons arent involved in the film are they?

Their song, "Friction" is used in the new trailer.