Mistakes The Incredible Hulk should avoid IMO

[HULKFish]

I totally agree... I hope they do it as scientifically as possible with the movements though keeping in mind that this huge dude weighs a staggering 1100lbs.!!

As far as speed heroes though... What about Superman? Supes is able to run so fast because of his strength, such would be the HULK. No, I don't think HULK would keep up with Superman, but he's like 5 times heavier. It should take a little space to get him going too, not just 0-60 in 2 seconds.

I would love to see a Discovery/Science Channel special on this subject and see what they come up with.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

Guys, Hulk, in Ang Lee's version(awesom version), was fast just like a locomotive(he ain't got "super-velocity"). And this is right! 'Cause he has two powerfull legs that enable him to jump for miles! Same for his size, I know that he should be a little smaller, but... he's a creature able to lift 1100lbs!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Guys, Hulk, in Ang Lee's version(awesom version), was fast just like a locomotive(he ain't got "super-velocity"). And this is right! 'Cause he has two powerfull legs that enable him to jump for miles! Same for his size, I know that he should be a little smaller, but... he's a creature able to lift 1100lbs!

Um he weighs 1100 Lbs, he can lift in the thousands if not billions of tons...

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

Um he weighs 1100 Lbs, he can lift in the thousands if not billions of tons...

my mistake. So... I know that he should be a little smaller, but... he's a creature able to lift thousands of tons!

 

[HULKFish]

Yes, that's what i said... With the power he posesses he would be able to run very fast although it would take a little space to get up to his top speed. At his weight though agility would not be too great.

 

[afan]

Guys, Hulk, in Ang Lee's version(awesom version), was fast just like a locomotive(he ain't got "super-velocity"). And this is right! 'Cause he has two powerfull legs that enable him to jump for miles! Same for his size, I know that he should be a little smaller, but... he's a creature able to lift 1100lbs!

Just how fast is the locomotive in your comparison?
Modern high speed trains are capable of reaching 300 mph plus speeds. I'ld put that in a super-velocity range.

"Powerful legs" do not necessarily impart speed. An offensive lineman in football has powerful legs to be sure, but he would be hard pressed to keep up with a wide reciever.

Pure and simple; look at The Hulk, he is not built for speed. Visually he does not look fast. He is called The Hulk for a reason, and that's not to describe his sprinting ability.

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

Just how fast is the locomotive in your comparison?

In the dvd bonus materials of the first movie this is clearly said, whit the same example. 160 km/h.
Hulk isn't a football player. A football player can't jump for miles, but for inchs. The proportion is right, IMO.
The Hulk does not look able to jump for 5 miles too!

 

[afan]

Just to be clear here, you are saying that The Hulk should be capable of running, no leaping, no bounding stride, at 100 MPH?

 

[HULKFish]

I would say yes, but not his preferred way to travel... Leaping is. He has VERY high Endurance also so it isn't far off to think HULK could get away with that.

Offensive linemen aren't all muscle... Even when Ang was doing the action scenes he said he compared him to a running back. Make Ronnie Brown or LaDainon Tomlinson the HULK's size and strength and see what speed they could reach. I don't think his leg speed would be as fast as the first movie though, more like long strides... What we need is a mathemetician to calculate the Strength X Mass = ability theory... Anyone on here a genius?

 

[afan]

I would say yes, but not his preferred way to travel... Leaping is. He has VERY high Endurance also so it isn't far off to think HULK could get away with that.

Offensive linemen aren't all muscle... Even when Ang was doing the action scenes he said he compared him to a running back. Make Ronnie Brown or LaDainon Tomlinson the HULK's size and strength and see what speed they could reach. I don't think his leg speed would be as fast as the first movie though, more like long strides... What we need is a mathemetician to calculate the Strength X Mass = ability theory... Anyone on here a genius?

Which is obvious in his open field running during the tank battle, which I consider a mistake. It would be much more Hulk like for him to advance slowly forward undettered by the withering firepower of the tanks, as if he enjoys the attempts of puny humans to stop him, getting angrier with each shellburst.

You see I agree with the "long stride" thing. I could easily see him cover ground quite quickly using a long stride semi bounding technique, but that really doesn't speak to an innate speed, i.e is he quicker reflexively than Spider-Man.

It's always chancy tho entertaining to use real physics to explain the feats of super-heroes. A "hulking" elephant despite it's size, strength and stride advantage is still slower than a puny human.

 

[Mad Bull]

Let's get one thing straight. The Hulk IS superfast. Even his weaker counterpart in the Ultimater Marvel Universe has been clocked running at 200+ miles per hour. His reflexes are not on par with the likes of Spidey (Spider-Sense, anyone?), but he's still damn quick. He's tagged Quicksilver before, caught tank shells, etc.

The stronger he gets, the faster his legs will be able to propel his body, ESPECIALLY since he doesn't get any heavier. His speed in the movie was fine. He had to take such quick strides because of his stubby legs. If that bothered you, the error lay in his build.

 

[afan]

Let's get one thing straight. The Hulk IS superfast. Even his weaker counterpart in the Ultimater Marvel Universe has been clocked running at 200+ miles per hour. His reflexes are not on par with the likes of Spidey (Spider-Sense, anyone?), but he's still damn quick. He's tagged Quicksilver before, caught tank shells, etc.

The stronger he gets, the faster his legs will be able to propel his body, ESPECIALLY since he doesn't get any heavier. His speed in the movie was fine. He had to take such quick strides because of his stubby legs. If that bothered you, the error lay in his build.

Let's get another thing straight, with all due respect, you are wrong.

The Hulk's ability is strength, strength that is limited solely by his anger level, and since his anger knows no limit his strength also knows no limit. Besides very tough skin, constitution and amazing regeneration abilities that's it. The Gamma radiation did not grant him super-speed. He covers great distances quickly by leaping. Leaping is possible because of his strength, but strength does not impart speed.

Whether a filmmaker choses wisely altering the character to make him a speedster is debatable, but the nature of the beast as outlined by Marvel's biography is not.

 

[HULKFish]

LOL! This has become quite the debate! I like the points everyone has made...

One other thing I loved that Ang did with HULK was he didn't make him perfect, he was even clumsy in some scenes which made it more realistic. Posing is super important too and more should be given to that.

Ang's poses weren't HULK poses, like when he busted out of the water tank he growls with his elbows in and fists out when it should've been the typical flexing chest fists towards each other. I hope they work in some HULK poses as they did such a phenominal job with on Spider-Man. Sam Raimi took months to do the train battle with Doc Oc in order to get all the poses right...

I didn't think he had quite the perfect build and I hope that changes some. His head was too big, arms and legs too stubby. Just have Dale Keown design the HULK (build, proportions,etc.) and all will be perfect!

 

[Mad Bull]

Let's get another thing straight, with all due respect, you are wrong.

Lol, no, you just don't think I'm right. Which is fine. Feats of the Hulk show clearly (to me, at least) that he does have a degree of superspeed. Even Wonderman, who sees the world in slowmotion, commented on how fast the Incredible Hulk could move.

As I mentioned before, he's caught tank shells, hit Quicksilver, punched a concussion shell that was fired at him, and snagged a passing S.H.I.E.L.D. These are all feats that simply could not be accomplished without a degree of superspeed.

And like I said, Ultimate Hulk has also displayed superhuman running speed. If you don't believe that, I can get you a scan later.

 

[afan]

I encourage you to research The Hulk on Marvel's web site. Super-speed is not a power of The Hulk.
As to your examples; "Hulk got lucky."

 

[Mad Bull]

I encourage you to research The Hulk on Marvel's web site. Super-speed is not a power of The Hulk.
As to your examples; "Hulk got lucky."

Heh, I encourage you to read a Hulk comic once in a while, I don't care what the website or any handbook says, what happens in comic continuity will always outweigh their claims. Resources like that are good for getting a general idea of the character(s) in question, but the specifics, details, and new developments will always be from the comics themselves.

Marvel.com could say Hulk's skin was now Plum Crazy Purple, but if he's still green in the published comic, that's what I'm going with. And to pretend that Hulk has just been "lucky" is borderline denial. Either way, though, I don't think you and I are going to agree on this.

 

[MarvelXI]

Getting back to the origin - Whatever the complaints may be on Hulk, the origin has been told

Hulks origin in the movie was fake for me, they never told really how banner becomes the hulk his father was never responsible for his transformation so it isn´t a mistake if they go back again to his origin and that rickwasn´t there made me sad too, he could put more comedy scenes there it was to dramatic

 

[SpaghettiHULK]

his father was never responsible for his transformation so it isn´t a mistake if they go back again to his origin

lemme say... you're wrong.

he could put more comedy scenes there it was to dramatic

comedy, in a Hulk-story, is totally an optional IMO. The first movie has the right amount of drama.

 

[mcentepede]

Need a good villain or 2. Or in Spidey 3 (three) just like in Superman 2 vs, the 3 kryptonians. If I was a writer on this need Hulk movie I would go for a classic Leader and Abomination team-up. One is smart the other strong. 8 foot Hulk is all we need, but make him massive-ish. And use all his powers this time...Thunder-clap, ground pound, and gamma stomp. And throw in the homing beacon thing for good measure. I took the girl to the Ghost Rider movie and even she figured out that his penance stare was a super move unique to the Rider. Each super hero has their unique abilitiesm we've them all except Hulk's. They really messed up the first one. We even got to see the fastball special from Woverine and Collosus in X3...which made all the fans happy. They got to wake-up this time and destroy some buildings and stuff for Hulk 2, cause chaos and mayhem.

 

[mcentepede]

Need a good villain or 2. Or in Spidey 3 (three) just like in Superman 2 vs, the 3 kryptonians. If I was a writer on this need Hulk movie I would go for a classic Leader and Abomination team-up. One is smart the other strong. 8 foot Hulk is all we need, but make him massive-ish. And use all his powers this time...Thunder-clap, ground pound, and gamma stomp. And throw in the homing beacon thing for good measure. I took the girl to the Ghost Rider movie and even she figured out that his penance stare was a super move unique to the Rider. Each super hero has their unique abilitiesm we've them all except Hulk's. They really messed up the first one. We even got to see the fastball special from Woverine and Collosus in X3...which made all the fans happy. They got to wake-up this time and destroy some buildings and stuff for Hulk 2, cause chaos and mayhem.

 

[Scandalous]

1. Avoid any reference to David Banner from the first film.

2. Avoid having the Hulk sounding like a crabby old man.

3. Avoid any shots of Hulk getting hit in his crotch.

4. Avoid any script which has no witty lines or snappy dialogue.

5. Avoid any transformation not brought on by an immediate, and unplanned crisis.

6. Avoid combining any villain with another.

7. Avoid battle scenes in which it's not clear what's going on.

8. Avoid battle scenes which don't take place amidst a populace in danger.

9. Avoid a Hulk so huge a six-foot man only comes up to his mid-thigh.

10. Keep the transitions; avoid the split screens. I don't go the the movie theater to see the Hulk cramped in little panels inside the big screen.

 

[Cracker Jack]

Avoid any script which has no witty lines or snappy dialogue.

Really? You want witty and snappy dialouge?

 

[HULKFish]

Need a good villain or 2. Or in Spidey 3 (three) just like in Superman 2 vs, the 3 kryptonians. If I was a writer on this need Hulk movie I would go for a classic Leader and Abomination team-up. One is smart the other strong. 8 foot Hulk is all we need, but make him massive-ish. And use all his powers this time...Thunder-clap, ground pound, and gamma stomp. And throw in the homing beacon thing for good measure. I took the girl to the Ghost Rider movie and even she figured out that his penance stare was a super move unique to the Rider. Each super hero has their unique abilitiesm we've them all except Hulk's. They really messed up the first one. We even got to see the fastball special from Woverine and Collosus in X3...which made all the fans happy. They got to wake-up this time and destroy some buildings and stuff for Hulk 2, cause chaos and mayhem.

GREAT POST! yeah, I agree with those points. At the VERY least there should be the ground pound. And given the magnitude of HULK's powers and strength more then 1 villian would be easy, just as it would be with Superman. I could see a very exciting story with Abomination fighting HULK with General Ross and the army firing on them at the same time!

 

[November Rain]

a real mistake is to stay away from ang lee's original vision but meh...

he was onto something, it only needs some fleshing out to get a real great film.

i'd say no more extra villains but bring on the grey hulk as a manisfestation of bruce's needs and desires and show more internal conflict while also bringing in doc samsom as someone to stand up against the grey hulk.

there's more than enough story still available with the hulk, we shouldnt be wanting to detract from this by bringing in 'enemies' for him to deal with, he should be the only 'monster' in his movieverse.

 

[Atomicchuck3k]

The Hulk was EXTREMELY soft in Ang's film. Hulk is Rage, Anger, Unstoppable Power, Bruce is the soft, analytical, sympathetic side. That was the biggest mistake in my mind. Ang's Hulk seemed like a frighten cub backed into a corner.