The Amazing Spider-Man Moviehole scoops details on both scripts...

[NinjaCarm]

This.

I highly doubt the humor of this franchise will be wiped off completely because they're avoiding the fluff. It's so ingrained with the character that it's impossible to avoid if you remain the least bit faithful to the source. TMNT is a great example because it handled the gritty nature very well but did not dismiss the fun aspects of the characters.

Nicely said. This is exactly my point. TMNT 1990 is extremely fun to watch, re-watchable, and did not water many things down.

 

[TheScarecrow]

He didn't stand up for himself by walking away. He chickened out. He could of took reigns and pointed out that if it weren't for him they wouldn't have this successful franchise, but no, he walked away, coincidentally saving the franchise in the process by letting the better reboot script get through.

*sigh*

If only the world worked like that, right? Do you really think a director has the power to walk in and tell the studio that he's making a movie his way and they have to wear it? Would you walk into your big boss' office and say "the way you run the company is crap, shut up and let me take the reigns". You'd be laughed out.

And if you read the article properly, you'll know that Raimi doing that was the reason for the delay, and then the studio reminded him he was a "hired gun" and that he could shut up and use the script or they'd get someone else and THEN he walked.

Yet, now when we have clear proof that Sony wants the best for the franchise? That's still wrong. So what should they have done because giving full control to Raimi didn't seem like it'd have been a good path. He was determined to do the same things with Vulture that he had already done with GG, Ock, and Sandman.

What they should have done is not interferred in the first place. No one is painting Raimi as a saint - but the studio is quite intent on doing what THEY want for the franchise. Raimi HATED the script Vanderbilt wrote, and Sony then commissioned him to write 3 more Spider-man movies. This is what you seem to be avoiding - the project was never Raimi's. We speculate on what ideas could be his, but Raimi hated the script from the start and tried continually to have it be rewritten, only to have Sony overide the rewrites. The bigger issue here is the future of the franchise and so far Sony has shown:

- A lack of respect for the source material.
- A desire to use a ridiculous amount of villains.
- A desire to make the project as cheap as possible by avoiding high calibre actors (eg, Hathaway and Malkovich).
- A desire to take the series back to somewhere it was 8 years ago.
- A desire to emulate Nolan's Batman.

Not to mention the fact that they're using a writer who's original draft was the basis for the apparent crap pile that was Spider-man 4 as the sole writer, under THEIR direction. The past is the past, but the future is a big concern because there are NO apparent positives in the plan to reboot. Raimi's time in the franchise is dead, and no whinging will change that - and maybe it's a good thing it is dead. You just seem to be burying your head in the sand and buying Raimi as a scapegoat to escape the fact that this reboot may not be the best thing for the Spider-man franchise and that all signs of Sony's behaviour point to it being a disaster.

IF Sony had announced today that they were going to reboot the franchise and were looking for a new director to take over the project over the coming months and develop it - THAT would be potentially good news. What Sony have said today is that they've developed a script on their own and will find a director and star in a matter of weeks. That's not a good thing.

 

[Dragon]

Nicely said. This is exactly my point. TMNT 1990 is extremely fun to watch, re-watchable, and did not water many things down.

I can only imagine that you were a child when TMNT came out and are looking back on it with nostalgia. That movie was nothng more than a kiddy flick. But of course, a movie about turtles becoming humanoid ninja doesn't really have anywhere to go.

 

[Immortalfire]

So basically, the studio wanted to meddle again. Hmmm....

 

[Jennifer Walters]

He's Sam Raimi. The man's got more than a few hits and cult hits under his belt. He's got pull. He didn't use it. He chickened out. That's that.

But apparently he can do no wrong around here.

 

[Reikowolf]

*sigh*

If only the world worked like that, right? Do you really think a director has the power to walk in and tell the studio that he's making a movie his way and they have to wear it? Would you walk into your big boss' office and say "the way you run the company is crap, shut up and let me take the reigns". You'd be laughed out.

And if you read the article properly, you'll know that Raimi doing that was the reason for the delay, and then the studio reminded him he was a "hired gun" and that he could shut up and use the script or they'd get someone else and THEN he walked.

Well said, by their logic it takes a guts to give into peer pressure.

 

[Crook]

I can only imagine that you were a child when TMNT came out and are looking back on it with nostalgia. That movie was nothng more than a kiddy flick. But of course, a movie about turtles becoming humanoid ninja doesn't really have anywhere to go.

It had it's share of dark moments. Splinter getting tied up and beaten, Raph being seriously f**ked up on the rooftos, the Turtles retreating and left hopeless when April's place is burned to the ground, etc etc.

The somber tone was there, certainly a lot more than your average kiddie flick. But yes, it did have it's fun moments. We're referencing tone here, and I think TMNT is one of the best examples you could give.

 

[Kanon]

He's Sam Raimi. The man's got more than a few hits and cult hits under his belt. He's got pull. He didn't use it. He chickened out. That's that.

But apparently he can do no wrong around here.

He did use his pull. As far as we know, he had the crew and cast behind him, he halted the production, and was the reason the movie didn't get made

That's as much as anyone can do, if Sony doesn't give up--- It's not like he can go and make his own parallel Spidey film...

 

[Jennifer Walters]

He did use his pull. As far as we know, he had the crew and cast behind him, he halted the production, and was the reason the movie didn't get made

That's as much as anyone can do, if Sony doesn't give up--- It's not like he can go and make his own parallel Spidey film...

Yes, but if Sony just really wanted to do it ''their way" would they have not released essentially what would have been their version of Spider-Man 4? Instead they took the franchise into consideration and did a smart move by having a second plan. The reboot being that.

That shows to me, that they are such a heartless cold studio like everyone here seems to want to think.

 

[TheScarecrow]

But apparently he can do no wrong around here.

He can do wrong. Giving superheroes babies is a "jumping the shark" idea, and I'm certain that was Raimi's. It's Raimi's fault - even if Venom was forced on him - that Spider-man 3 was so campy and disjointed. It's Raimi's fault that New Goblin was so incredibly redudant. It's Raimi's fault that Harry got amnesia. It's Raimi's fault that Tobey Maguire dressed like an emo and danced like lunatic.

No one thinks Raimi is perfect, nor than SM4 would have been perfect if he had complete control. Again, you're missing the point and it's like you want to believe that Sony has banished Raimi in favour of making a series that's so much better and so much more comic-accurate. That's how your posts are coming across and all everyone is trying to do is point out that there's every indication that the opposite is occuring here.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

No all I see are a bunch of posters running around like it's the end of the world, when there's no indication of either of our views being right. I could be wrong. You could be wrong.

We won't know until we get our director/cast and a trailer now will we?

 

[Reikowolf]

No all I see are a bunch of posters running around like it's the end of the world, when there's no indication of either of our views being right. I could be wrong. You could be wrong.

We won't know until we get our director/cast and a trailer now will we?

Sound like a lot of damage control on your part, you had a lot of negative comments earlier on this thread and have since taken a few steps back here as well as the other associated threads.

Sony Style.

haha, You are right though the great thing about opinion is that is always up to debate

 

[Kanon]

What I fear a lot right now is this: I think Sony is pushing it's movie, and want a safe director... With a no-name director, they might try to get asses on the seats by casting someone really popular as Spidey.

That could be great, but could also be ver, very, very bad...

I'm really not sure who to suggest. Efron, or Pattinson should be old for what Sony wants, but there must be star power kids to get quick attention here...

I'm probably just expecting the worse, but...

 

[spider-neil]

a spider-baby is a horrible HORRIBLE idea. it was also a horrible idea in the comics. they swept peter and mj's kid under the carpet rather than attempt to write stories around it.

the superbaby was one of my biggest dislikes about SR

 

[TheScarecrow]

That's a big worry, and I really hope it doesn't happen. Efron, Pattinson, Lautner etc. have NO talent. Period.

 

[david icke]

It had it's share of dark moments. Splinter getting tied up and beaten, Raph being seriously f**ked up on the rooftos, the Turtles retreating and left hopeless when April's place is burned to the ground, etc etc.

The somber tone was there, certainly a lot more than your average kiddie flick. But yes, it did have it's fun moments. We're referencing tone here, and I think TMNT is one of the best examples you could give.

I don't see how the tone you describe is any different from the 1st Spider-man film. Spidey takes a viscous beating, Aunt May's place is blown up and she is hosptalised...

I haven't seen the 1st Turtles movie in about 20yrs, but i watched the bootleg tape i had of it back when it was released a lot, so I'm going by that memory too.

For me, I'd want to see AF15 done, it was pretty realistic with a teenager's desire for money and fame when he gest his powers. Stuff like the Bugle and JJJ being used for more than comedy relief, and the residents of the city being more realistic in their reaction, like the books, that of being suspicious due to the negative newspaper reports on Spidey.
It would be great if they kept to that situation, Spidey being a figure of mistrust.

 

[JP]

Billy, you're officially off your rocker and I have never in my time at the Hype! seen you so blindly get behind something at the expense of everything you once believed in.

 

[ultimatefan]

The script for the fourth movie DOES sound like crap, because of studio interference mostly, but this whole "turn Spidey into Dark Knight" thing doesn´t sound right at all.

 

[TheSlag]

The guy from the articled mentioned TDK, yes, but he said they're losing the fluff. If that means stuff like Peter dancing, or Harry and MJ cooking and dancing (what was up with that? ), then I have no problem with it.

Exactly!

Lose the Cheesiness/Cringe worthy material and give us some serious approaches to main storylines.

Spider-Man can still have it's light-hearted moments, and quips (at limited times). They are NOT changing Spider-Man is the way I read this, they ARE changing the Cheesy approach. Which is ABOUT TIME!!!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

He did a majority of the ideas himself. The Vulturess was the only thing the studio added. Therefore Raimi's ideas themselves s-u-c-k-e-d. Both were responsible for the suckage that would've been Spider-Man 4. Sony knew what they had on their hands was a turd so they prepared a better back up.

lets not forget imo vulturess and his idea for vulture both sound very much like some of the horridness of the butchered venom, sandman needless connections, and ock essentially taking the connors emotional story...

 

[NinjaCarm]

I don't see how the tone you describe is any different from the 1st Spider-man film. Spidey takes a viscous beating, Aunt May's place is blown up and she is hosptalised...

I haven't seen the 1st Turtles movie in about 20yrs, but i watched the bootleg tape i had of it back when it was released a lot, so I'm going by that memory too.

For me, I'd want to see AF15 done, it was pretty realistic with a teenager's desire for money and fame when he gest his powers. Stuff like the Bugle and JJJ being used for more than comedy relief, and the residents of the city being more realistic in their reaction, like the books, that of being suspicious due to the negative newspaper reports on Spidey.
It would be great if they kept to that situation, Spidey being a figure of mistrust.

TMNT 1990 was almost consistent with its grittyness and real world feel. Spider-Man 1, at best, was not consistent with alotta cheese and feeling of being waterdown and then spurts of seriousness or grittyness.

Consistency with genuineness.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I don't see how the tone you describe is any different from the 1st Spider-man film. Spidey takes a viscous beating, Aunt May's place is blown up and she is hosptalised...

I haven't seen the 1st Turtles movie in about 20yrs, but i watched the bootleg tape i had of it back when it was released a lot, so I'm going by that memory too.

For me, I'd want to see AF15 done, it was pretty realistic with a teenager's desire for money and fame when he gest his powers. Stuff like the Bugle and JJJ being used for more than comedy relief, and the residents of the city being more realistic in their reaction, like the books, that of being suspicious due to the negative newspaper reports on Spidey.
It would be great if they kept to that situation, Spidey being a figure of mistrust.

Also, TMNT 1990 did not feel fake, it its feel, not its content. Spider-Man did NOT feel real most of the time.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

I WAS RIGHT t:



I knew they'd go dark, gritty and Nolan-esque on the Spider-man reboot.

I love it. Bring on badass Spidey

Also reported by Slashfilm here:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11...ady-written-will-be-gritty-contemporary-take/


EW has seen the script apparently.

 

[ultimatefan]

I WAS RIGHT t:



I knew they'd go dark, gritty and Nolan-esque on the Spider-man reboot.

I love it. Bring on badass Spidey

Also reported by Slashfilm here:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11...ady-written-will-be-gritty-contemporary-take/


EW has seen the script apparently.

By the way, that costume design was Alex Ross´s atempt to make the costume "cinematic", which he claimed to be the only way to make the suit work on screen, then when they went with a much more traditional costume he hypocritically complained it wasn´t faithful to classic John Romita Spidey.

 

[marvelrobbins]

If Sony wants to go cross between the Dark Knight and Twillight count me done with Spider-man films.Not every character can be In Dark Knight style
film.One of biggest problems I had with Rami's films was Peter only having
eyes for mary jane and noone else.And now they could make It even worse
In trying to appeal to Twilight fangirls.

Rami made decsions with these films that should be criticed.He may had been
forced to use Venom In Spider-man 3 but much of the other bad Ideas came
from him.The Green Goblin and Dr Octoupis being split personalities.Sandman
being misguided and not evil.

I really wish some more details on the reboot would come out so we could
have a Idea on what Is being planned.