The Amazing Spider-Man Moviehole scoops details on both scripts...

[Leenie]

Raimi was always signed up.

Oh I'm confused now, the press release a few weeks ago about why it got delayed and all that said Raimi wanted Vulture as head of the Bugle etc etc Sony wanted to change Black Cat to Vultress and that neither parties could agree. Hence it got delayed.

I'm not opposed to the Vulture being the new head of the Bugle, to be honest. If JJJ were to return, then it would have made an interesting plotline. The Bugle was suffering quite a bit in Spider-Man 3 (hence the "It's Hip!" pitch by Hoffman), so maybe JJJ going out of the job would have added an interesting dynamic to the story? It would have made the Vulture have a bit more character.

In my own little perfect world, Black Cat would never see the light of day in a Spider-Man movie in the first place. That opinion aside, I'm also not opposed to the idea of her being the Vulture's daughter. Felicia Hardy is the daughter of an infamous criminal in the comic books. Why not have it be the Vulture? Again, I'd rather not have Black Cat at all ... But if she's going to be in there, I'm not opposed to her being Vulture's daughter.

Lastly, there's Spider-Baby. As long as Spider-Baby appeared at the END of the movie, then I wouldn't have boo-hoo'ed about it.

 

[HughJackFan420]

And how is changing an already proven money making character into something completely different gonna make them money?

Your logic is absurd. You're just pissed off coz Raimi's gone.



No, no. That's a fair point!

well i honestly wanted a hot chic in the Spider-Man series finally. but hopefully we'll finally get a hot MJ in the new installments to come.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Tobey would not come back if raimi was gone which means there goes your star

glad he's gone.. he was getting too old.. and his facial expressions were incredibly absurd... tobey also has a horridly mopey voice

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Raimi wrote that script...

All Sony did was change Black Cat to Vultress.

Raimi wrote the reboot script that is more like Dark Knight than Spider-Man?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Raimi wrote the reboot script that is more like Dark Knight than Spider-Man?

Na reportedly Raimi and his writer (wasn't named) came up with a plot outline for SM4 which included Vulture as the head of the Bugle. Black Cat as his daughter and Pete and MJ having a baby.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

playing devil's advocated for sony (to try and fathom their idiocy)

* forced a popular villian on the director
* overloaded the movie with villians

result = most successful spider-man movie to date

wanting spidey's top 3 movies in the first 3 films isn't exactly a bad thing... as they do rake in alot more money and audience. And as for Venom... there's not one damn excuse a horror expert like Raimi couldn't of pulled him off... Venom, like Lizard... Screams raimi.. yet the guy had a hard on for the b-lister sandman

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Na reportedly Raimi and his writer (wasn't named) came up with a plot outline for SM4 which included Vulture as the head of the Bugle. Black Cat as his daughter and Pete and MJ having a baby.

Yeah, that script sucks too. But that's dead so let's leave that in the past.

My problem now is that the new script features a gritty new Spider-Man that cuts out all the humour according to this article. I have no interest in seeing that film at all either. Choosing between these two scripts is like choosing between a pile of cow dung and a pile of pig dung.

 

[[A]]

Moviehole has details on both scripts.

Basically for SM4:
- Spider-man 4 DID feature Peter and Mary-Jane with a baby.
- Vulturess was added in the script, at the request of the studio.
- Vulturess was a retooled version of Black Cat.
- Vulture was the editor of the Daily Bugle.
- Script was apparently pure crap.
- Raimi had lost hope in the project and walked.
- The studio also wanted to add a third villain.
- Anne Hathaway was gone from the project late last year (my guess is when Sony turned the Black Cat into the Vulturess).

Allow me to

For the reboot:
- The script is much better than the script for Spider-man 4.
- The script IS complete, and was finished at the same time as SM4, allowing the studio to compare the two.
- The script was commissioned as a contingency plan, should Raimi walk.
- Unfortunately, they describe the script as "more Dark Knight than Spider-man".
- The new film is the first part in a new trilogy.
- The aim of the script is to cut the "fluff" - which they speculate means no humour and a serious tone.

Not so bad -- but Spidey is somewhat a humourous character.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

wanting spidey's top 3 movies in the first 3 films isn't exactly a bad thing... as they do rake in alot more money and audience. And as for Venom... there's not one damn excuse a horror expert like Raimi couldn't of pulled him off... Venom, like Lizard... Screams raimi.. yet the guy had a hard on for the b-lister sandman

Agreed. Raimi could of, should of done wonders with Venom. But he didn't want him so his heart wasn't in it.

And if Lizard was planned for SM4 I would of been SCREWING at this news.

But Lizard wasn't planned for SM4, Vulture was

So I'm happy with this news.

 

[Leenie]

wanting spidey's top 3 movies in the first 3 films isn't exactly a bad thing... as they do rake in alot more money and audience. And as for Venom... there's not one damn excuse a horror expert like Raimi couldn't of pulled him off... Venom, like Lizard... Screams raimi.. yet the guy had a hard on for the b-lister sandman

... And Sandman turned out to be pretty damn awesome, in my opinion.

If Spider-Man 3 had been split into 2 parts as originally planned, then I think we would have seen a better Venom.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah, that script sucks too. But that's dead so let's leave that in the past.

My problem now is that the new script features a gritty new Spider-Man that cuts out all the humour according to this article. I have no interest in seeing that film at all either. Choosing between these two scripts is like choosing between a pile of cow dung and a pile of pig dung.

I think when they say gritty, they mean more in line with Spidey stories like Kravens Last Hunt or Death of Gwen Stacey. Not necessarily those stories but you know what I mean.

They won't cut out Spidey's humour, especially when one of the biggest criticisms of Raimi movies is that Spidey doesn't wise crack enough.

 

[Venom 1988]

Allow me to

Not so bad -- but Spidey is somewhat a humourous character.

I assume by "cutting the fluff" they are referring to the cheesy crap like the dancing.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think when they say gritty, they mean more in line with Spidey stories like Kravens Last Hunt or Death of Gwen Stacey. Not necessarily those stories but you know what I mean.

They won't cut out Spidey's humour, especially when one of the biggest criticisms of Raimi movies is that Spidey doesn't wise crack enough.

Let's hope you're right.

Perhaps I am just jaded because of similar situations like WB forcing out Richard Donner and Tim Burton and Fox moving on without Brian Singer. Things historically have ended up for the worse.

 

[Project862006]

Na reportedly Raimi and his writer (wasn't named) came up with a plot outline for SM4 which included Vulture as the head of the Bugle. Black Cat as his daughter and Pete and MJ having a baby.

nobody knows who wrote it sm4 had 3 writers

James Vanderbilt
Gary Ross
Davis Lindsay-Abaire

 

[Doctor Jones]

Jesus, is this all confirmed true?

If so, Raimi was smart to walk. Because ti wouldn't have worked. I can see why they took there time with the scipt and som many rewrites. Maybe it was for the best. I can't understand why the studio inyerfered again.

 

[[A]]

I assume by "cutting the fluff" they are referring to the cheesy crap like the dancing.

I know -- but they say no humour right after that, heh

A serious Spider-Man is like a comical Punisher.

 

[Venom 1988]

I know -- but they say no humour right after that, heh

A serious Spider-Man is like a comical Punisher.

Yeah I figured that was either the source or the writer of the article assuming it meant no humor

 

[Project862006]

Jesus, is this all confirmed true?

If so, Raimi was smart to walk. Because ti wouldn't have worked. I can see why they took there time with the scipt and som many rewrites. Maybe it was for the best. I can't understand why the studio inyerfered again.

lets hope they let this new director actually direct hope we dont just get a yes man like ratner was for FOX

 

[I Am The Bat]

I'm sure at one point the scripts will surface - and we can all see who is to blame for SPIDERBABY

 

[Saint]

From the sounds of things, the studio is determined the cram crap into the script, so why should we have any more hope for the reboot script?

 

[Leenie]

From the sounds of things, the studio is determined the cram crap into the script, so why should we have any more hope for the reboot script?

Thank you!

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I was thinking that. Maybe the script will release. I doubt it somewhat.

But I need confirmation if these things about SM4 were true. If so, then it was for the better.

But these rumors for the reboot are lessoning my confidence.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

From the sounds of things, the studio is determined the cram crap into the script, so why should we have any more hope for the reboot script?

Because the proposed SM4 script was crap.

The reboot script isn't, apparently.

They compared them both then decided with the reboot.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have no Spidey film over the ****e that was proposed for SM4.

 

[Doctor Jones]

In which the studio interfered supposedly and wanted to change Raimi's ideas which he of course didn't like so he walked. So they disagreed again.

Ace, when do studios think of a good story? It always leads back to money for them.

 

[Crook]

From the sounds of things, the studio is determined the cram crap into the script, so why should we have any more hope for the reboot script?

Because it's likely the direction for a fourth Raimi film, differs from their intentions for the first reboot Spidey film.