Moving to Friday's at 8pm!

[AgentPat]

"Child of two worlds" is a line from the new ST movie referring to Spock, child of Vulcan and Earth....

Oh, then I think you read a little too deeply into it. Star Trek is a child of two mediums. "Worlds" if you will. Television and motion pictures. Smallville is too (in subject matter).

 

[Brainiac 8]

Paradox = head implosion?

 

[triplet]

Oh, then I think you read a little too deeply into it. Star Trek is a child of two mediums. "Worlds" if you will. Television and motion pictures. Smallville is too (in subject matter).

I'm not reading anything into it, I was just replying to what Zorex said with what I thought might be similar between the two franchises, a show getting moved to Fridays against the parent company's best interests would seem to be the same.

However, since that line comes directly from the new ST movie, "child of two worlds," I'm not sure how big a stretch it is to think that is what Jack was referring to.

IMO, Jack using that line wasn't him referrring to Smallville directly at all, the reference was more about the simillarities between the franchises (ST: Enterprise and SV), although I suppose it could have been reference to the show itself.

As a franchise, Superman could be considered a child of two mediums, having had both TV and film variants, as has had ST.

Also, Clark is a child of two worlds, being born on Krypton and raised on Earth.

*shrug*

Like I said, I'm not sure if that is what Jack was referring to, but it's the ONLY way that I can see that Star Trek might be related to SV's sitch on Friday's.

 

[KBX]

Who is this Jack anyway?

Anybody think there is a good chance Smallville doesn't add anybody else as season regulars? Up Lois to 22, same with Chloe and Clark with just Oliver/Tess with 13. Since budgets seems to always be an issue, just stick with these five for now. Of course you gotta get some good 4-5 episodes arcs for Zod, John Jones, Hamilton or any other JL members...

 

[Brainiac 8]

Jack has some insider cred.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Who is this Jack anyway?

Anybody think there is a good chance Smallville doesn't add anybody else as season regulars? Up Lois to 22, same with Chloe and Clark with just Oliver/Tess with 13. Since budgets seems to always be an issue, just stick with these five for now. Of course you gotta get some good 4-5 episodes arcs for Zod, John Jones, Hamilton or any other JL members...

yea, I don't think they will either, which is a downer because my dream final season includes Martha and Perry white as part of the main cast, with Perry taking over at the Daily Planet

 

[KBX]

Jack has some insider cred.

Oh ok.... and thats why he speaks in riddles....

yea, I don't think they will either, which is a downer because my dream final season includes Martha and Perry white as part of the main cast, with Perry taking over at the Daily Planet

At this point Martha at best will do 1 episode, which would be show up for the series finale.

Perry is interesting, do you see how Smallville treats the editor that is there right now? hes been in 2 episodes, and had a grand total of 2 scenes. Smallville wouldn't know what to do with Perry at this time. Hes really limited to them.

Honestly I think they might have to add more regulars. I would get too bored with Chloe, and Tess/Oliver is basically rotating episodes. Thes four regulars per episode. Smallville can be that creatitve to pull it off.

 

[Mikelus]

Why not not coming in here and insulting the show if you don't like it.

That happens when people have too much free time available to watch a show they hate and then bash it on forums.

 

[AgentPat]

I'm not reading anything into it, I was just replying to what Zorex said with what I thought might be similar between the two franchises, a show getting moved to Fridays against the parent company's best interests would seem to be the same.

However, since that line comes directly from the new ST movie, "child of two worlds," I'm not sure how big a stretch it is to think that is what Jack was referring to.

IMO, Jack using that line wasn't him referrring to Smallville directly at all, the reference was more about the simillarities between the franchises (ST: Enterprise and SV), although I suppose it could have been reference to the show itself.

As a franchise, Superman could be considered a child of two mediums, having had both TV and film variants, as has had ST.

Also, Clark is a child of two worlds, being born on Krypton and raised on Earth.

*shrug*

Like I said, I'm not sure if that is what Jack was referring to, but it's the ONLY way that I can see that Star Trek might be related to SV's sitch on Friday's.

LOL! So much discussion over a Jack flyby. *hugs Jack* Don't get me wrong; I like the comparison, especially in regards to Smallville's move to Friday. But I believe Jack was simply referring to how SV is affected by stresses other shows don't normally have, namely a comics and film franchise devision.

Anyhoo, regarding Vampire Diaries - the show that CW is airing in SV's old timeslot come this fall - I get it. The strategy, that is. I have no interest in the show itself, but I don't fall into the mad Twilight cult either. With SV and Supernatural, Ostroff has a broadcast evening that appeals to a slightly older, mostly male sci-fi/fantasy genre audience. And ratings for SN are on the rise. But as a network, CW wants to target teenage girls, both in programming and ad time sales. What better way to have your cake and eat it too? Ostroff may be at the point of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

That happens when people have too much free time available to watch a show they hate and then bash it on forums.

 

[SV Fan]

Who is this Jack anyway?

Anybody think there is a good chance Smallville doesn't add anybody else as season regulars? Up Lois to 22, same with Chloe and Clark with just Oliver/Tess with 13. Since budgets seems to always be an issue, just stick with these five for now. Of course you gotta get some good 4-5 episodes arcs for Zod, John Jones, Hamilton or any other JL members...

I personally think they ruined Tess' potential unless she somehow gets mindwiped, but all they can do like you say is have a bunch of villians on for 1-5 episode arcs, plus a bunch of guests for one shot appearences along with Chloe, Clark and Lois as the regs with Green Arrow at about 13 eps.

Not that I think they will do it but Chloe storyarcs should be short and relegated to the B-plot. Most people don't want to watch a Clark Kent show to see the adventures of Chloe Sullivan

 

[Prison Mike]

I think I'm most interested in Tess' arc now that she knows Clark's secret and bacially helped bring Zod out of the orb. She's going to have some explaining to do...

 

[Syncos]

I think I'm most interested in Tess' arc now that she knows Clark's secret and bacially helped bring Zod out of the orb. She's going to have some explaining to do...

Not only that, but Zod obviously tricked her and was using her. She's not going to be the savior of Kandor or anything of the sort. We saw with Lex how Tess reacts to being used. It might make for an interesting story.

 

[Prison Mike]

maybe Zod will make her ambassador to Smallville when he takes over the world...

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea the friday time slot has been known for the death spot for many shows in the past and just as recent as this tv season. But we know its all about ratings, and if the network wants to continue a show and they have a cast signed on. If smallville maintain's its 3.0+ million viewers we are likely to see it go a 10th season like alot of the rumors/confirmation that tom/erica/etc.... have a 10th yr signed in their contracts.

We will just have to wait and see how things come to play. Looking at what is on fridays at 8pm on the other networks we got; two comedies on fox, ghost whisper on cbs, law and order on nbc, supernany/ulgy betty on abc, and then the first hr of wwe smackdown on my network. Since smallville has a certain target demo its main competition is smackdown with the males 18-34 grab. But i can see law and order, and ghost whisper also putting up a fight. But the main thing is ratings and what ever gives a network a good ratings they keep.

And whos to say MP/or this new vampire shows will even last a whole season. They could fail horribly in ratings and be gone in a matter of episodes and if that was to happen we know shows could be moved around.

 

[Squatlow]

Sorry to be a bit late to this party, but I travel a lot (as some of you who remember me know). Gee, I think Jack -for him- was kinda clear as to what he was driving at.

Well, Zing... [sigh]...maybe there are some who are...!

But...

Such is the nature of long-running episodic television...someday the piper's gonna call -- it's just that over at Smallville, they've always surprised the skeptics...and sometimes, even themselves...

Translation - Smallville was always supposed to just be a little show that earned some cash for a small network. Wasn't gonna last and no one expected it to have a major effect on canon or planned movies. Ooopsies!

Let me tell you the absolute gold-diggers' truth: ideally, no one wants to see an active, continuous profit-maker die. And the only ones you're currently hearing predict Season 9 to be the "Final" are the trades -- and they've said that before, haven't they?

However (and this is where I begin to sound like Gandalf), it shouldn't be surprising to anyone here to note that Smallville has always been a "special case" with other forces at work...in its creative, production, and broadcast nature. It's a little like another franchise currently out there... "a child of two worlds," you know...

Again, Smallville surprised TPTB with its loyal/vocal/determined following and DID affect both canon and planned movies. In fact, despite its "alternate universe Superman" thing, the show has had more effect on the legend than anything since Chris Reeves Superman 1 and 2. Now the fun part...I think Jack is saying Smallville is like Star Trek, which has been a TV show, movies AND TV shows simultaneously, and then has been rebooted because 1) the source material is so rich and 2) because the last movie (Picard clone anyone?) was not the best continuation of the story. Also, the last Trek TV show was not so great, but had a great core idea of going back to the beginning (Enterprise). In other words, I think Jack's alluding to the upcoming movie as a complete reboot (ala Star Trek) with perhaps a little "borrowing" from source Smallville (read that anyway you want). "A child of two worlds" if you like.

All said, this show has done pretty well for itself...it's survived a network death (and merger), constant and often bewildering "creative sanctions," major cast departures, its creators' exit, and finally, critical indifference -- and its still one of the most profitable genre hours on T.V. (in terms of marketability and ancillary revenue) -- especially good for a show that gets virtually no P.R. these days...and with a star who likes to keep an exceptionally low profile.

But even with all this, there are sometimes...other considerations.

Someone may just want to...eh...clear the decks, per se...

And on the rest, I'll remain diplomatic...for now.

Clear the decks...hmmm...end of season 9, end of series, beginning of the reboot where everything is new but with "borrowing" from previous source material including the little show that could?

Jack...if you're lurking, over to you. Or not as you prefer.

Cheers to allt:

 

[Doright]

It really doesn’t' affect me much at all. I can't remember the last time I actually watched an episode live as it aired. I DVR it all the time. So being on Friday's will not affect me.

I wonder if maybe this gal at CW is assuming everyone who still watches smallville are fans who will follow. Her thought might be that the shows X number ratings will remain the same which will be an improvement over what they have going on Friday right now.

I don't think that is a big leap to make. Smallville doesn’t' seem like a show that would gather much causal interest anymore. I think the people who are left watching it are the core fans whether they are superman fans or just Smallville fans. They are going to watch it regardless of the night.

This leads to the idea of ratings growth. A new show has growth potential that Smallville does not. It's not going to suddenly gain a lot of viewers after this long so might as well move it out of the way for something that at least MIGHT grow bigger.

Anyway... that's some random thoughts on the deal.

 

[stargazer]

Translation - Smallville was always supposed to just be a little show that earned some cash for a small network. Wasn't gonna last and no one expected it to have a major effect on canon or planned movies. Ooopsies!



Again, Smallville surprised TPTB with its loyal/vocal/determined following and DID affect both canon and planned movies. In fact, despite its "alternate universe Superman" thing, the show has had more effect on the legend than anything since Chris Reeves Superman 1 and 2. Now the fun part...I think Jack is saying Smallville is like Star Trek, which has been a TV show, movies AND TV shows simultaneously, and then has been rebooted because 1) the source material is so rich and 2) because the last movie (Picard clone anyone?) was not the best continuation of the story. Also, the last Trek TV show was not so great, but had a great core idea of going back to the beginning (Enterprise). In other words, I think Jack's alluding to the upcoming movie as a complete reboot (ala Star Trek) with perhaps a little "borrowing" from source Smallville (read that anyway you want). "A child of two worlds" if you like.



Clear the decks...hmmm...end of season 9, end of series, beginning of the reboot where everything is new but with "borrowing" from previous source material including the little show that could?

Jack...if you're lurking, over to you. Or not as you prefer.

Cheers to allt:

Well, I pray to God AND hope they don't plan on ''borrowing'' the SuperLana saga, though!

But seriously, how has Smallville affected BOTH canon and movies?? I'm really curious to know how you came up with these conclusions.. Hope to hear from you soon.

 

[kal_el_526]

If you DVR a show does it still count you as a viewer or whatever, like all the people who DVR the show are the included in the ratings?

 

[Webhead2006]

Also another thing we got to remember this isnt the first move for the show, originally it was tuesdays at 9pm after gilmore girls, then moved to wensdays with angel. Then to its thursday night slot. As long as it stays above 3.0 million viewers it has nothing to fear at all.

As for things that have been effected in the comics from smallville i dont know everything really but the comics did borrow the whole black kryptonite from smallville, and they were going to add the chloe character into the comics before it was dropped for what ever reason. But those are not the only thing the comics have taken. You would need to ask a more superman comics reader about other things.

 

[Eric Brooks]

Also another thing we got to remember this isnt the first move for the show, originally it was tuesdays at 9pm after gilmore girls, then moved to wensdays with angel. Then to its thursday night slot. As long as it stays above 3.0 million viewers it has nothing to fear at all.

personally, I think the show is going to be just fine on Friday nights.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea only thing we have to worry is if when the season starts up in mid/late sept(hopefully) is its ratings, if it drops below 3.0 its lowest end of ratings then we got something to worry about. Then also with the move hopefully the idiots at CW do a nice enough promotions(not likely) to catch viewers on the move.

 

[SV Fan]

Yea only thing we have to worry is if when the season starts up in mid/late sept(hopefully) is its ratings, if it drops below 3.0 its lowest end of ratings then we got something to worry about. Then also with the move hopefully the idiots at CW do a nice enough promotions(not likely) to catch viewers on the move.

I wish they would move Summer repeats to Friday, that would be a good start

 

[kal_el_526]

If you DVR a show does it still count you as a viewer or whatever, like all the people who DVR the show are the included in the ratings?

 

[SV Fan]

If you DVR a show does it still count you as a viewer or whatever, like all the people who DVR the show are the included in the ratings?

The only way if you watch it that it truly counts is if you have a Nielsen's box. They take a cross section of the US public and give them boxes and estimate the ratings using that.

DVRs on the other hand are tallied seperately. Assuming you aren't a Nielsen's family I think you might do more good for the show then not watching it on a DVR since that might actually be tallied

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea the whole dvr/tivo and neilsen ratings systems totally need a new overhaul to them. They are not that great at calaculating ratings these days and all that. I agree it would be a smart move for cw to do friday's reruns while they are doing reruns during the summer to get fans ready for the move and to see how reruns do on fridays compared to any new stuff is airing on fridays during the summer for other networks.