New Avengers vs. Old Avengers: Pros and Cons

Actually Crystal was boring to me. It was Sersi and the Black Knight that I took a liking to. So much so, in fact, that I read as much other stuff with the Black Knight as I could find and he's now one of my favorite characters.

As for your points:

Yes, danger was lacking to some degree. Disassembled/NA was a rather extreme reaction to that, though. If you're lacking danger, there are lots of ways to reintroduce it without killing off half your team. Take "Red Zone": recent arc with many of the major players in place, and yet the threat was still totally credible and a fantastic story resulted from it.

About the shake-up: again, Disassembled was pretty extreme. Shaking things up is one thing, and it's quite different from throwing around cheap shocks and deaths by the dozen. "All sound and fury, signifying nothing," as the quote goes.

There is indeed something to be said for revisiting common themes with a fresh eye. It's done all the time in comics; I can't argue that.

If Spider-Man's been lending information about everything as a sign that he's seen it all, then I was mistaken about Bendis; he seems to be giving Spider-Man his due in one respect, at least. I haven't actually been reading New Avengers cover-to-cover, so I don't know. I do remember him diving in recklessly and acting generally inexperienced during the breakout, though. He reminded me more of Ultimate Spider-Man than his more seasoned 616 counterpart.

The training montage was an Avengers fixture because they're led by Captain America. He's probably the most disciplined human being ever conceived. There's a reason why Thunderstrike, Hawkeye, and most other Avengers have, at one time or another, bragged about being trained by Captain America. He's really good at training, he does it a lot, and he forces those he works with to do it a lot.

We agree on Wolverine. Not a bad character (at least at some points), but he's on the team for the wrong reasons and he's a caricature of himself while he's there. That Iron Man suggested him for that reason just degrades Iron Man's character as well.
 
Meh, Sersei always creeped me the Hell out.

I also missed the lightsaber for BK.
 
Willowhugger said:
If I have any other complaints abot New Avengers, its the fact I'm never entirely sure whom the hell is actually on the team at any given time. Is Ronin actually a member or was she a guest star? Why do the X-men and Inhumans show up? Is Caroll a guest star or a permanent member now? What about Vision?

This I think also can play into why it doesn't feel like the Avengers (you gave me an epiphany); from everything Joey Q etc has said, it seems that New Avengers is basically a stage for the Marvel Universe to play things out on. The book is a place for characters to go and tell stories, it's not about the actual team (hence the near revolving door appearances and quasi members).
 
Willowhugger said:
Meh, Sersei always creeped me the Hell out.

I also missed the lightsaber for BK.
I like his new weapons more. It seems that Claremont forgot a few things about Dane for his New Excalibur cameo, though. First, that he does have new weapons and armor, and second, that the Ebony Blade wound up with his ex-squire, who was corrupted by it and become Bloodwraith. I suppose it's possible that Dane reacquired the Ebony Blade between then and now, but it would've been nice if we'd gotten some kind of explanation about that. Not that it really matters anyway, since Dane isn't even gonna be in this arc, it seems; it's just his ancestor hijacking his body.

But I'm not bitter. :o
 
The Inhumans always make any comic they show up in 10 times cooler.
 
They should use Karnak more, I think. It'd be great to see him beat the **** out of all the pitiful human martial artists with a grace they can never hope to match. :)
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
They should use Karnak more, I think. It'd be great to see him beat the **** out of all the pitiful human martial artists with a grace they can never hope to match. :)


Word, gotta love that. A friend and I were talking how cool it would be to see Namor and Triton talking **** about Cap and Iron man and this whole Civil War thing. One can dream.
 
Yeah, it'd be nice to see Triton actually be useful for once and try to form diplomatic ties with Atlantis. Funny how no one's ever thought of that.

Well, not that strange, really, given that Marvel was determined to forget that anything but the streets of New York existed for a while.
 
TheCorpulent1 said:
Yeah, it'd be nice to see Triton actually be useful for once and try to form diplomatic ties with Atlantis. Funny how no one's ever thought of that.

Well, not that strange, really, given that Marvel was determined to forget that anything but the streets of New York existed for a while.


Well there was that Inhumans series by Jenkins that everybody seems to forget. That shouldve been an ongoing.:mad:
 
The Inhumans are awesome in concept, but they sort of take a blow now and then. Some of their thunder was stolen by Mutants then by Eros' people then by the Eternals....

And so on.
 
Theyre getting set for something huge Post-Civil War.
 
God, I hope so. If anyone can do the Inhumans better than Jenkins its Slott.
 
I have to admit, I'm not terribly excited about Post-Civil War Avengers though and may end up dropping the title though. If the current crop is anything to go by, it's not a lineup I'll be interested in. Spiderwoman II's appearance seems like a herald of the end and unless she's Tony Stark's animated girlfriend, I have no interest in her whatsoever.

A team without Captain America, Iron Man, Spiderman, and Jessica Jones (okay, Luke Cage) is not an Avengers I really want to read about. Bendis' writing isn't enough to attract me to the title.

Part of what drew me to New Avengers is everyone seemed GLAD to be there and that atsmophere will probably be annihilated by Civil War.
 
for me the Avengers should be big budget action.....you dont put Arnold, Stallone, Van Damme, Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Chuck Norris and Tony Jaa on one team and have them fight just regular people. The Avengers are who you call when the earth is about to be destroyed....not when you have a ninja infestation
 
Willowhugger said:
Part of what drew me to New Avengers is everyone seemed GLAD to be there and that atsmophere will probably be annihilated by Civil War.

Through out Avengers history, everyone on the team was glad to be there, it was a big honor to be an Avenger.
 
Yes, one of my favorite Avengers was Vance Astro in his Justice persona because he was unashamedly fanboyish about it.
 
Doc Destruction said:
You mean like the Hand? Oh, that's right they lost...hmmmm.

The Hand ran away like pansies!!! They lost bad.
 

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