Nice guys finish last

But let's play your scenario where Brad is the womanizing *****e breaking women's hearts everywhere he goes, while Dave is the nicest guy ever. I bet Dave consoled Lisa after Brad dumped her, then after the next guy and the next guy, hoping time after time she'd just realize the great guy was right in front of her. You know who the biggest a-hole in the story is, Dave because his long term friendship was based on just wanting to get in Lisa's pants. Brad and all the other jerks may have said some lies to get into her pants and it worked, but it was one night of lies, not months or years.
I've had female friends confide in me that they're afraid to out-and-out tell a guy friend they're off-limits because they know that the guy will dump them as a friend in a hot second once he knows he won't get into their pants.

I know it's not the case everywhere but geez guys, way to be a good person. :o
 
I've had female friends confide in me that they're afraid to out-and-out tell a guy friend they're off-limits because they know that the guy will dump them as a friend in a hot second once he knows he won't get into their pants.
There is an old adage in business that you shouldn't slam the door in someone's face because you never know when you might need their service.
 
I'm guessing Dave is you?

You see this here is a complete story. There is nothing further you need to add to it. Lisa doesn't like Dave, I don't understand what's so confusing about this:huh:. Maybe Lisa's not turned on by Animal Rescue charities, and before you say "she says she loves animals" that whole aspect of Dave's character is eronious because clear Dave is not the guy she is looking for.

Question: Why do you assume Brad is a "jerk" for doing this. I mean bragging is a little *****ey, but maybe, just maybe they were sexually attracted to each other and there wasn't much else to the relationship. Sometimes that's just the way it is.

I'm guessing Brad asked her out and she said yes:huh:, and this quest to find out why she said yes is as fruitless as trying to figure out why I prefer Burritos to Pizza.

Yeah probably.

You know people who aren't "capable" of dumping other people? Dave knew nothing about Lisa, he could've gotten her home like Brad and found out she was a complete psycho b*tch who takes things to fast.
If someone brags about dumping someone after the first night of sex then maybe just maybe that person is a jerk.
 
Who cares about that stupid scenario, it doesn't prove a thing.
 
Well I think hotness is one of the initial reasons why a guy would go after a girl in the first place, but making generalizations about what ALL women are like if you get rejected is not very nice. :woot:

Well, there are different reasons why a guy might go after a girl.
 
There is an old adage in business that you shouldn't slam the door in someone's face because you never know when you might need their service.
At the same time it usually makes people feel bad when they think they're leading someone on. :oldrazz:
 
Maybe Lisa and Brad just realized they both wanted some sex that night. Maybe Lisa isn't all broken up by Brad dumping her right afterwards.

But let's play your scenario where Brad is the womanizing *****e breaking women's hearts everywhere he goes, while Dave is the nicest guy ever. I bet Dave consoled Lisa after Brad dumped her, then after the next guy and the next guy, hoping time after time she'd just realize the great guy was right in front of her. You know who the biggest a-hole in the story is, Dave because his long term friendship was based on just wanting to get in Lisa's pants. Brad and all the other jerks may have said some lies to get into her pants and it worked, but it was one night of lies, not months or years.

If this hypothetical Dave would spend years doing that, it seems to me that he wants a relationship with her, not just sex. Granted, he's still an @#$hole for wanting something long term with this dumb *****e-loving chick...
 
If someone brags about dumping someone after the first night of sex then maybe just maybe that person is a jerk.
I'm not going to outrightly defend that behavior, but I will say that's not uncommon and is more or less a guy thing. It's not nice, but if Lisa found out she'd get over it fairly quickly. The fact that Brad brags about banging someone probably isn't an overall good representation of his character, and it's not as off the wall as you seem to think it is. Dave wasn't there for the "dumping" so I'm guessing Dave doesn't know jacksh** about what went on between Lisa and Brad.

Let's try another scenario. There is this really nice, hot, personal trainer at the gym and she comes onto one of the members. They have sex. It's awesome. The next week she brings the guy a gold fish and tell him "the gold fish is a love fish and if it dies their love dies". Guy gets freaked and dumps her immediately. He does brag about tapping that. Some other dude has a crush on her, hears this and thinks the guy just dumped her for no damn reason, concludes he's a jerk.
 
Maybe Lisa and Brad just realized they both wanted some sex that night. Maybe Lisa isn't all broken up by Brad dumping her right afterwards.

But let's play your scenario where Brad is the womanizing *****e breaking women's hearts everywhere he goes, while Dave is the nicest guy ever. I bet Dave consoled Lisa after Brad dumped her, then after the next guy and the next guy, hoping time after time she'd just realize the great guy was right in front of her. You know who the biggest a-hole in the story is, Dave because his long term friendship was based on just wanting to get in Lisa's pants. Brad and all the other jerks may have said some lies to get into her pants and it worked, but it was one night of lies, not months or years.
I know of guys who kept up the nice guy charade until they had a woman's heart then they showed their true colors.

So jerks use manipulation for both short term and long term relationships.


which brings me to another point, women can't be blamed for being attracted to guys who use manipulation. It just happens that manipulators can be more charming. It's not the woman's fault that manipulators are also known for being two-faced snakes.
 
I'm not going to outrightly defend that behavior, but I will say that's not uncommon and is more or less a guy thing. It's not nice, but if Lisa found out she'd get over it fairly quickly. The fact that Brad brags about banging someone probably isn't an overall good representation of his character, and it's not as off the wall as you seem to think it is. Dave wasn't there for the "dumping" so I'm guessing Dave doesn't know jacksh** about what went on between Lisa and Brad.
but Brad isn't bragging about sex, he's bragging about dumping someone after sex.

Let's try another scenario. There is this really nice, hot, personal trainer at the gym and she comes onto one of the members. They have sex. It's awesome. The next week she brings the guy a gold fish and tell him "the gold fish is a love fish and if it dies their love dies". Guy gets freaked and dumps her immediately. He does brag about tapping that. Some other dude has a crush on her, hears this and thinks the guy just dumped her for no damn reason, concludes he's a jerk.

See above post.
 
but Brad isn't bragging about sex, he's bragging about dumping someone after sex.
That's irrelevant. You're making snap judgements about both Brad and Lisa, which ultimately is what's doing in Dave. Brad may be a super nice dude overall (or maybe he's just hung like a horse) and Dave is only seeing what he wants to see about him. Same with Lisa. Lisa could be a dumb f***ing headcase who falls for Brad's routine and would drive Dave up a wall if they ever started dating. Point is people are not two-dimensional objects. What makes Brad attractive to Lisa may be completely incidental to their situation, which is something Dave has no control over. You talk about Brad as a manipulator, but Dave's just as bad if not worse. He's sociopathically willing to superficially alter himself in hopes that Lisa will fall for him, at least when Brad realizes he cannot keep a charade going he cuts it off to spare her the grief.
 
That's irrelevant. You're making snap judgements about both Brad and Lisa, which ultimately is what's doing in Dave. Brad may be a super nice dude overall (or maybe he's just hung like a horse) and Dave is only seeing what he wants to see about him. Same with Lisa. Lisa could be a dumb f***ing headcase who falls for Brad's routine and would drive Dave up a wall if they ever started dating. Point is people are not two-dimensional objects. What makes Brad attractive to Lisa may be completely incidental to their situation, which is something Dave has no control over. You talk about Brad as a manipulator, but Dave's just as bad if not worse. He's sociopathically willing to superficially alter himself in hopes that Lisa will fall for him, at least when Brad realizes he cannot keep a charade going he cuts it off to spare her the grief.
I never said Dave was phoney with Lisa.

and I don't see how anyone who brags about dumping a girl after sex can be seen as anything but a cruel jerk.
 
Dave, stop being a "nice guy", and just be a decent guy. She don't like you? Move on down the road, and don't look back. She might start thinking "Maybe I missed out on something with Dave." But don't count on it. You'll be too busy living your life to notice. That's what attracts a woman, a man who is doing his own thing, not a guy who's waiting in the wings.
 
Chris Rock - Platonic female friends are just women we haven't had a chance to **** yet. :oldrazz:

As a dude, I won't lie...every female friend I have had I have thought about what it would be like to have sex with, but either never had the opportunity or just eventually stopped posing the question.
 
As a dude, I won't lie...every female friend I have had I have thought about what it would be like to have sex with, but either never had the opportunity or just eventually stopped posing the question.
I don't think like that. Perhaps my standards are too high.
 
JAK®;19911182 said:
I don't think like that. Perhaps my standards are too high.

I guess, man. I was just very horny back in the day, go figure.
 
I never said Dave was phoney with Lisa.

and I don't see how anyone who brags about dumping a girl after sex can be seen as anything but a cruel jerk.
This reminds me of when Christians say stuff like "have you ever lied? Then you're a sinner!" As if that time you lied defines your entire character. You don't see how anyone who brags about dumping a girl could be a nice guy because you're so focused on that one aspect you assume it defines the whole person. You think Brad defines himself by that? Probably not. Similarly it seems you think Lisa is just some dumb b*tch who if she just wised up would **** Dave's ****. Seems like Dave is the a**hole here.
 
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Chris Rock - Platonic female friends are just women we haven't had a chance to **** yet. :oldrazz:

As a dude, I won't lie...every female friend I have had I have thought about what it would be like to have sex with, but either never had the opportunity or just eventually stopped posing the question.

I'm the same way. Personally sex for me is just a recreational activity. If I had the chance to have sex with every woman I would just to see what it felt like. Maybe one day I'll be monogamous again when I look for a mate to raise kids with, but I've desensitized myself to sex as being some great big thing with mystical powers.
 
Chris Rock - Platonic female friends are just women we haven't had a chance to **** yet. :oldrazz:

As a dude, I won't lie...every female friend I have had I have thought about what it would be like to have sex with, but either never had the opportunity or just eventually stopped posing the question.

Yeah, there aren't many female friends or acquaintences I haven't thought about doing.

If a female friend is not my version of unattractive, I've entertained the idea of what it would be like to have sex with them. Entertaining thoughts are far different from planning or making an effort to make those thoughts a reality.

JAK®;19911182 said:
I don't think like that. Perhaps my standards are too high.

I bet that JAK's state of mind is more the exception than the norm. I know you'll say that you're genuine with your statement, but in my mind when guys say things like that, it's ********.
 
LOL, I love how this thread went from discussing whether or not nice guys finish last, to discussing whether or not these hypothetical characters are good or not.
 
Being a Vagina is the problem in the hypothetical, not being nice.
 
Dave shoots Lisa in the face, Brad becomes blood drunk, and in his vengeful streak, kills Dave, his family, and his dog. Buries them in a shallow grave behind the old McDonalds, then lights their house on fire, making it seem like an accident. Little did he realize, he probably should've put the bodies INTO the house, and lit it then....

Turns out, there was a storm that night, and the bodies ended up above ground. Brad was taken into custody, where he was named in the prison as "Cupcake". The boy toy of one inmate named "Sprinkles".


Nice guys finish last!
 
Dave doesn't know this but Brad is really a Green Lantern of sector 2814 in his multiverse realm, so Dave really never had a chance. That Green Lantern ring is very useful in the bedroom. Hard light constructs FTW!
 
One of the things I'd like to test with this whole "nice guy" vs. "jerks" debate would be to take some of my friends who I would qualify as nice guys but who score lots of tail (or have hot girlfriends) and see what "nice guys" think of them. Like my friend Ben, he does modelling. Nice dude, easy to talk to, and actually really sets the bar as a boyfriend from appearances, however you could really paint him in a bad light if you really wanted to. I mean he's a model, so a lot of his outward image and habits can be really self absorbed. I'm sure to some people he comes off as a *****e too, especially if they've never bothered talking to him. I mean the dude has a swimming pool full of V-necks somewhere because that's all he ever wears. So for guys like Brad is it really that they are jerks, or must they be manipulative jerks because it's more reassuring to dismiss them than it is to really confront what's going on.
 

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