The Dark Knight Nicholson on Ledger playing the Joker

[CaptainClown]

I think I would cry if there was a message from Cesar Romero.

 

[CorpusBlack]

I think I would cry if there was a message from Cesar Romero.

He talks to me daily in my alphabet soup.

 

[gwynplaine]

He talks to me daily in my alphabet soup.

His face appeared to me on a burnt piece of toast yesterday.

 

[SuBe]

That's no excuse.

That is True, but, even though He died ten years ago, did he spout from the mouth that he didn't like Jack for the role and that the magic "THEY" should have consulting the great Mastacio'd Joker? I DON"T THINK SO!

 

[roach]

I think whats pissing Jack off more is that everytime they did another Batman movie Jack approached WB with an idea for the Joker's return. They kept telling him Joker died in B89. Watch his interview on the Batman Special Edition DVD and see how passionate he is about the character.

 

[DSET]

I think whats pissing Jack off more is that everytime they did another Batman movie Jack approached WB with an idea for the Joker's return. They kept telling him Joker died in B89. Watch his interview on the Batman Special Edition DVD and see how passionate he is about the character.

I agree i was about to say the same thing

I know his intentions arent even to be that rude, and we gotta give him a break he's 70!!!
old people rant on about their feelings.

 

[Argyle of Sock]

He talks to me daily in my alphabet soup.

His face appeared to me on a burnt piece of toast yesterday.

I vote that we hold a seance.

 

[DeaDheaD]

Those are cheerios

 

[CorpusBlack]

I vote that we hold a seance.

I second that.

 

[CaptainClown]

Great Ceaser's Ghost!

 

[CorpusBlack]

Great Ceaser's Ghost!

lol.

 

[gwynplaine]

I second that.

Me too.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Nothin' like beating a dead horse with a stick. What other topic can we wedge into this thread before it's utter demise?

 

[Gianakin_]

Seinfeld hasn't been brought up for a long time in these boards.

 

[roach]

Organic Webbing

 

[ultimatefan]

That's fine. I prefer Bale's, too. Still...Keaton absolutely nailed his role.



It's very noticeable, therefore it's quite a radical difference. Does it ruin the movie? No. Is it distracting and something many hope he fixes in the sequel? Yes.



By that logic Batman should never have to maintain the same kind of voice because he's often in a different situation.



I'd argue that it is. Both times he rescues her, is clearly supposed to be in Batman mode. Both times he's clearly going for something intimidating and animal-like.



You're right, there is a noticeable difference to the timbre and pitch of his voice. And there need not be. Both times he is explaining something to Gordon, not trying to scare him, but trying to sound like "Batman".

Anyway...

BATMAN BEGINS wasn't deep. It had some elements that could be considered "serious", but nothing was actually explored enough to make it a "deep" movie.

As far as Jack's comments...who cares? He's clearly not entirely serious and only wishes he could have been The Joker again way back when.

Jack Nicholson was a fantastic Joker, and BATMAN presented a great Joker for the late eighties.



The dialogue doesn't bear that out at all. He's using lines like "I don't have the luxury of friends", and short terse sentences that give her directions. Yes, he's clearly lonely and likes her when he takes off his cowl, but before that, he's all business.

Hmm...kind of like in BATMAN...



The man caught a falling shuttle and plane. And you're saying he did nothing?



And Luthor beat him, damn near murdered him and destroyed half the world. I wouldn't say Lex was a "throwaway villain" on any level in SUPERMAN RETURNS. He just had a stupid plan for the continent he was building.



He soaked in all the sun for a reason. To counteract the Kryptonite. The point of the scene is that it hurts him, but he knows he has to save the world.



"Fear" as the theme. And, oh yes, the three or four times that Batman and that stupid water guy explained what was going to happen to Gotham when the train reached Wayne Tower.

I don´t think of it as a "different kind of voice", it´s a deep kinda raspy voice in all situations, just a slightly higher or lower pitch in each situation, when you´re doing a raspy voice it´s probably hard to keep the pitch always the same anyway. I notice it, but doesn´t bother me.

And the stairway scene there´s a greater sense of urgency, Rachel´s life is in danger, it´s not the same situation as in the house stairway talk.

And I don´t even know why you went into this "deep" thing, it has nothing to do with the voice topic - or at least you weren´t replying to anyone far as I can tell. What´s "Deep" can mean a lot of different things for different people anyway.

 

[Damiean Dark]

I still like keatons more as i still enjoy his batman it was more a dual personality the voice seemed to naturally flow from the batman persona like it was another person while bales was a disguise to protect his identity nothing wrong with that if thats your bag i just prefer batman being more a dual personality or dark part of waynes soul then a tool purely created to scare criminals.

 

[Solidus]

I still like keatons more as i still enjoy his batman it was more a dual personality the voice seemed to naturally flow from the batman persona like it was another person while bales was a disguise to protect his identity nothing wrong with that if thats your bag i just prefer batman being more a dual personality or dark part of waynes soul then a tool purely created to scare criminals.

Hmm, you just described Bales Batman. I don't understand how all you got out of his performance was that he was using the tool to scare criminals. Which he is, and is A. More Realistic. B. Truly what Batman does anyways.

But that was not all Bale's character was, it truly was about him being afraid of himself, being afraid of what he can and wants to do *kill criminality* him and Ra's talked about it while he was training. You should go back and re-watch BB. When he has Flass hanging upside down, the emotion in his face was just the RAW rage of what happend to his parents just spewing out. The true dark side of Bruce. I never felt that with Keaton at all, he seemed monotone through out the entire film. Good actor, but that Batman was not as deep, Burton is usually style not substance.

I with a lot of others see that completely the other way around, Bale really showed us the dark side of Bruce Wayne, through Batman. The anger in his face and his intensity of his eyes, as well just the feeling you got you could see the dark path of Bruce through Batman. And he's always on the edge wanting to kill these criminals.

So I think your mis-interperting what Bale's character is. Because that was the one thing I praised about the movie on these forums back in 05 was that Bale really brought a dark side to Wayne that Keaton never did.

 

[gwynplaine]

Keaton was awesome. It was mostly in the eyes, just like what Heath said about his Joker. Of course, Bale is great too and IMO did Bruce (specially the millionaire playboy a**hole persona) better than Keaton did.

 

[Borat]

Hmm, you just described Bales Batman. I don't understand how all you got out of his performance was that he was using the tool to scare criminals. Which he is, and is A. More Realistic. B. Truly what Batman does anyways.

But that was not all Bale's character was, it truly was about him being afraid of himself, being afraid of what he can and wants to do *kill criminality* him and Ra's talked about it while he was training. You should go back and re-watch BB. When he has Flass hanging upside down, the emotion in his face was just the RAW rage of what happend to his parents just spewing out. The true dark side of Bruce. I never felt that with Keaton at all, he seemed monotone through out the entire film. Good actor, but that Batman was not as deep, Burton is usually style not substance.

I with a lot of others see that completely the other way around, Bale really showed us the dark side of Bruce Wayne, through Batman. The anger in his face and his intensity of his eyes, as well just the feeling you got you could see the dark path of Bruce through Batman. And he's always on the edge wanting to kill these criminals.

So I think your mis-interperting what Bale's character is. Because that was the one thing I praised about the movie on these forums back in 05 was that Bale really brought a dark side to Wayne that Keaton never did.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I still like keatons more as i still enjoy his batman it was more a dual personality the voice seemed to naturally flow from the batman persona like it was another person

Are you kidding me? Keaton didn't show the dual personality at all. His voice as Batman was more of Bruce Wayne with a whisper. Nothing he show as Batman was a dual personality. He was just playing one guy both in & out of the suit, where Bale show more than that.

while bales was a disguise to protect his identity nothing wrong with that if thats your bag i just prefer batman being more a dual personality or dark part of waynes soul then a tool purely created to scare criminals.

What you said pretty much describe Bale perfectly. And his Batman was a tool created to scare criminals? Wasn't the whole point of Bruce Wayne becoming Batman in the first place?? That why he dress like a bat: to strike fear into criminal's heart. Not to mention Bale did display Wayne's soul. You're just not looking clearly enough.

 

[Mr. Socko]

As fantastic as I thought he was in B'89, I don't think I could imagine Jack returning as the Joker.

 

[gwynplaine]

As fantastic as I thought he was in B'89, I don't think I could imagine Jack returning as the Joker.

Gentlemen, let's broaden our a**. (no offence. Jack is the greatest and can do and say whatever the f***k he wants).

 

[Mr. Socko]

Jack would need lypo in a box if he were to return as the Joker.

 

[gwynplaine]

Jack would need lypo in a box if he were to return as the Joker.

Lol and his fat could play Clayface.