Apocalypse Nightcrawler in the Apocalypse Movie

[psylockolussus]

Indigo not blue.

 

[harryoscop]

I hope he will look as cool as he did in X2.
I also wonder if Bryan Singer is going to touch upon the "Mother and Son" relationship Raven and Kurt have.
Also, will she be his biological mother like in the comics?

 

[JJmelo]

I hope he will look as cool as he did in X2.
I also wonder if Bryan Singer is going to touch upon the "Mother and Son" relationship Raven and Kurt have.
Also, will she be his biological mother like in the comics?

I doubt there will be a connection. Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom. I say just keep it off the table. They would have had to hire a legit child if they were to go that route. I want my Nightcrawler to be capable and badass, like the white house scene.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X-Men: First class aready said mystique will always look younger then she is

 

[Rike]

I doubt there will be a connection. Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom. I say just keep it off the table. They would have had to hire a legit child if they were to go that route. I want my Nightcrawler to be capable and badass, like the white house scene.

 

[Super Jim]

If there is a mothers and fathers theme It will probably be subtle in what it's used for, and If they do something like that with charles it will likely be taking on a more father like role for the x-men otherwise there would be no point them being involved or get any development at all

Is Proteus subtle?

 

[Super Jim]

I doubt there will be a connection. Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom. I say just keep it off the table. They would have had to hire a legit child if they were to go that route. I want my Nightcrawler to be capable and badass, like the white house scene.

Huh?

"Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom"?

You do know she plays the character Mystique, who is almost as old as Professor Xavier. She may look young, thanks to her powers, but she is most definitely old enough to be a mom, and, per canon, is one!

"They would have to hire a legit child if they were to go that route"

Again, huh? If she had a child (Kurt, aka Nightcrawler) back in say 1964, with Azazel (which is per canon), which was on the same team as Raven was when Erik left to protect President Kennedy and was subsequently captured and imprisoned, then this child would be 19 years old (or so) in 1983, when this Apocalypse movie is supposed to take place!!!!!

Again, not sure what your point is!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Is Proteus subtle?

If that is the case he is in apocalypse it woukdnt have to be charles kid, or the conception was very subtle also ;p

 

[Silvermoth]

I just have the craziest theory nightcrawler will look normal but will turn blue after apocalypse's meddling. So he'll have the archangel role.

It would have been really great if Azazel hadn't been killed off so he could make a return with Kurt. Maybe he still could if apocalpse is reanimating the dead which would be a very good creative decision.

 

[Broseph44]

I doubt there will be a connection. Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom. I say just keep it off the table. They would have had to hire a legit child if they were to go that route. I want my Nightcrawler to be capable and badass, like the white house scene.

Ummm, what?

 

[ciscostudent561]

Darn.
They really need to ban spoiler avi's
I didnt wanna see anything avengers2 til may

 

[Havok83]

I doubt there will be a connection. Lawrence doesn't look anywhere near old enough to be a mom. I say just keep it off the table. They would have had to hire a legit child if they were to go that route. I want my Nightcrawler to be capable and badass, like the white house scene.

Do you realize that she plays a shapeshifter? Her character would walk around the entire movie as an 8 year old and still be the mother to a grown child of 50

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

True. She could be Lawrence in 1983 or 2045 and it wouldn't matter as she can be whatever age appearance she wants.

They could turn sound and have her as a servent of Apocalypse throughout time and who only pretended to be a child when she met Xavier if they wanted

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Ummm, what?

I think what he/she means is that Jennifer Lawrence herself doesn't look like she could have a teenage child, cause she's young herself, not the character of Mystique. Whereas when Rebecca was playing her you got sexy ass MILF lol

 

[Super Jim]

If that is the case he is in apocalypse it woukdnt have to be charles kid, or the conception was very subtle also ;p

My response would be that they can explain this away in many different ways.

- Maybe they were together prior to the Cuban incident. It could have been one night that they didn't show us. This could be revealed in many different ways. It could be through coming back to him and saying something like "that one night was special to me, but then yadda, yadda, yadda".

I know that Charles took away some of her memories (regarding specifics), but not everything. If my memory serves, she remembered everything up to the beach, which means she would remember whether she was with Chuck for a night or not. Also, Chuck was in no condition to be with Moira or to be a father, as he turned to drugs and such and was not in a good place. Moira could have gone off and raised their son without Charles' knowledge. And then when her son starts to demonstrate mutant powers she goes to him for help.

Another option is that this coupling took place between DOFP and Apocalypse. After the events of DOFP Charles, who was now recovered from his drug use and everything, might have reached out to Moira, someone he had feelings for, and they may have rekindled things. So again she may have become pregnant and left to hide things from Chuck (for reasons that would need to be explained) or maybe they've been happily raising their child (Kevin or David) together for the past <9 years. This would make Proteus (or Legion) a future threat and not one for this movie, but it would enable the theme of parentage for the main characters to happen.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The character can't be played by 24 year old Ben hardy if she got pregnant between 1973 to 1983 for obvious reasons unless you wanna get into the whole apoclaypse aging him thing and honestly there would be very little point to that idea

So unless you said it happened sometime between FC and DOFP but wouldn't that be abit odd to say Oh by the way I been seeing Moira on and off since Cuba after I erased her memory

Well if not we have to say something happened between them before he erased her memory, now I dont remember what happened in the deleted scenes or even the likeliness they count but Wouldnt that be desperately stretching for he producers to say ok we didn't show it but something did happen in FC at some point because the story requires it

 

[Super Jim]

^ I think the most likely scenerio, if they go with Proteus or Legion and Moira and Charles having hooked up, is to come out and exposition how they shared one night together way back in 1962.

That would make their kid around 20 years old, which would fit very well for an actor like Hardy.

Now, as I explained above, there are numerous reasons why Charles and Moira weren't able to be together after the events in Cuba.

Again, help me out with my memory, but didn't she say that she can't remember what happened on the beach?

You know what, let me Google that...

Here is what I found:


Towards the end of the movie, Charles told Moira not to tell the CIA about his whereabouts. He said, "Moira, for us anonymity will be the first line of defense." Moira replied, "I know. They can threaten me all they want, Charles. I'll never tell them where you are. Ever!" Did Moira tell the CIA about Charles' location?

• N. After hearing Moira's reply, Charles said, "I know you won't. I know." They then kissed. The next scene featured Moira being questioned by the CIA. The CIA Director, McCone asked her, "All that time wiped clean from your mind. Just gone. He can do that? You don't remember anything?" Moira replied, "Sometimes I get fragments. Like...trees, sun light, a kiss." McCone was clearly annoyed by her answer, and said, "Oh, Jesus! Gentlemen, this is why the CIA is no place for a woman."
  

• I think this leaves a lot open to interpretation. Obviously when McCone said "he can do that" he was talking about Charles. I have to guess that that means that Moira would still know who Charles is?

• It seems that she just can't remember the specifics. She likely can't remember where Charles lives and things like that. Who knows what memories he left her (like an intimate night between the two of them) or not. He may have wiped everything, but we are given the one out.

• When she says "Sometimes I get fragments" it makes it so she could end up remembering certain things.

• If she ended up being pregnant I could see her leaving the CIA and maybe moving to Erope or something. Maybe she couldn't tell Charles because she can't remember where he is, or something stupid like that.

• Personally I like the idea of her keeping it from Charles because she talked with Hank and found out that Charles was in no condition to raise a child, and she held some regret for his paralysis. Again, it's all about what he left her as far as memories or what fragments she remembered.

• Lastly, seems to be that if Proteus (the child of Moira and Charles) was turned into a Horseman of Apocalypse it would make for a very good reason to bring those two back in touch with each other, and then, of course, the whole reveal of how he is Charles' kid!

 

[ciscostudent561]

sometimes, you make sense super jim.
this is one of those times.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's not the fact that he erased her memory or that she kept it from him it's more the case of when was the conception? Or will the producers just say well stuff happened at the mansion that you really didn't get any small hint about in 1963 but it's not till now we wish we had shown something because all we have now is one characters word to say yeah something secretly did happen off screen didn't you know?

In the end even if you wanted to say Moira had proteus it wouldn't have to be charles kid in order for it to be revelant, she may go to charles for help and charles may care enough to wanna help Moira anyway

To reveal charles has a son it makes the x-men's involvement pointless really since charles will be busy worrying about his own kid he just found out exists to take time to teach or worry about them

 

[Super Jim]

What do you mean sometimes?????????

 

[Super Jim]

It's not the fact that he erased her memory or that she kept it from him it's more the case of when was the conception? Or will the producers just say well stuff happened at the mansion that you didn't get any small hint about in 1963 but it's not till now we wish we had shown something because all we have now is one characters word to say yeah something did happen didn't you know?

In the end even if you wanted to say Moira had proteus it wouldn't have to be charles kid in order for it to be revelant, charles may wanna help Moira anyway, because it makes the x-men's involvement pointless really since charles will be busy worrying about his own kid he just found out exists to take time to teach or worry about them

It's as simple as Moira saying

"Charles, that night was special to me, but then Cuba happened, and you were paralysed. I wanted to tell you about Kevin, but you weren't in a place where you could be a father to him, and I felt so guilty about what I did to you that I couldn't bring myself to tell you. I couldn't see you like that! Could you ever forgive me?"

Blah, blah, blah, but you get the point.

Effectively it was just one night back in 1963, just before Cuba, that (for obvious reasons) was not shown or alluded to, and then after Cuba everything changed.

We didn't find out about it in DoFP because that was more about Chuck moving past his problems and not about his past relationship (whether it was one intimate night or not) with Moira, a woman he hadn't seen in a decade. So the only reason we would find out about it now is that something will happen to force Moira to seek out Charles for help. Something like her mutant son being taken by Apocalypse. And, of course, all of this will lead to the exposition dump of "I wanted to tell you, but..."

 

[ciscostudent561]

What do you mean sometimes?????????

roflz, I love you man.

 

[ciscostudent561]

To reveal charles has a son it makes the x-men's involvement pointless really since charles will be busy worrying about his own kid he just found out exists to take time to teach or worry about them

I dont buy that. He basically adopted it the X-men, he's not gonna abandon them just to rush to um raise a kid thats in his 20's?

 

[Loki882]

I honestly didn't like that "memory erase" thing from FC. I like the movie overall, but that was a mistake on the writer's part, and it didn't even make sense.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Unless, as I've speculated, the reason why Moira comes to him and reveals the details of Kevin (Proteus) is because it plays into the story that pertains to Apocalypse.

Meaning, Apocalypse has taken Kevin and has turned him into a monster, yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now they can combine both things, Charles and Moira having a kid and the Apocalypse. It gives Charles further reason to fight and makes him more emotionally invested (and the audience).

There is a lot that they can do with this story, and most importantly, it wouldn't be Charles having to "abandon them (the X-men) just to rush to um raise a kid thats in his 20's"! but instead, use the team that he has formed and trained to fight against the biggest threat to mankind and hopefully save his son in the process!