The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

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I don't think Nolan will add Robin because he doesn't read comics and thereby doesn't like Robin. But damn, I want a good director (not that I don't think Nolan is good at directing) to give Robin some screen time. Cause Robin is ****ing holy **** ass kicking and none of my friends that don't read comics know this. THE WORD MUST BE SPREAD!
 
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Nolan doesn't read comics? Why would the comics influence the movies such as Batman: Year One or The Long Halloween/Dark Victory?
 
I don't think Nolan will add Robin because he doesn't read comics and thereby doesn't like Robin.

That's not true at all. Of course he hasn't read every single Batman comic, but he's mentioned in interviews that he's read the key stories and that DC has provided them with access to their archive for researching.
 
He's had to have read Dark Victory if he has read The Long Hallooween. Atleast Bale has read Dark Victory, and he said it was his favorite comic he's read.
 
I'm pretty sure TLH was the favorite he mentioned.
 
Funniest thing I've heard is Bale saying he'll chain himself outside WB in protest if they ever decide to use Robin.
 
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Not teenage boys. Then fans will want another sequel with the introduction of Batgirl. Nolan already mentioned in an interview that Dick Grayson is in a crib somewhere during the time of Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight takes place one year later so Dick is probably two-years old.

He didn't mean Dick was literally in a crib somewhere, just saying its too early to bring his character in.
 
Nolan doesn't read comics? Why would the comics influence the movies such as Batman: Year One or The Long Halloween/Dark Victory?

I think that was mostly due to Goyer and Jonah, who are both more avid comics readers. I think they have just had Nolan read up a bunch recently.
EDIT: They are both more avid Batman comics readers that is, Nolan read other comics when he was younger and I think one inspired him to get into film making or something like that.
 
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Karem-Knight, that was a great post, which makes me regret how low your post count is for your date of joining.

Stick with us, for the sake of all of us who love Batman first and teh Nolan teh second.
 
Karem-Knight, that was a great post, which makes me regret how low your post count is for your date of joining.

Stick with us, for the sake of all of us who love Batman first and teh Nolan teh second.

^the man speaks the truth
 
You know what's really annoying, most of the Pro- Robin people here try and give intelligent back up statements for their point of view for why Robin should be included in the next Batman film. And the anti-Robin people can only say "No NOLAN DOESN'T LIKE HIM!! I LOVE NOLAN, NOLAN IS GOD!!!".

Despite the critical analysis and 70 years worth of comic books that have featured the character of Robin- some of the posters here think that they know the character of Batman more than experienced writers like Dennis O'Neal, Jeph Loeb (pre-Ultimates), Alan Grant, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison whose works on Batman feature Robin heavily and have all managed to understand the reason why Batman needs Robin. He is the light to Batman's dark.

Robin in many ways makes Batman different to most superheroes in a way, Batman can be dark, yes, and most of the time he should be. But he shouldn't be depressing. Honestly, The Dark Knight showed us that superhero movies can be taken seriously and not just high action fun; but they can show us themes and be great story-telling and works of art. As for the realism that Nolan implants in his movies? Yes, he's done it better than most people...but still IT'S A STORY OF A GUY DRESSED AS A BAT!!! The entire realistic approach of Batman is ridiculous in it's concept, but that's what makes it great; Morrison's recent run on Batman has showed us that he is the ultimate human being who strived to perfection to combat evil, no matter it's forms. Yes, Batman is dark, but his entire character is built to inspire and show us that human will can overcome anything. He's not a dark brooding loner, if people just copy The Dark Knight's "darkness" then we'll have comic book films that represent this:

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Why am I showing you a Rob Liefeld comic? Well it wasn't that long after Watchmen that we got the anti-hero craze that swept through comics and try to make super-heroes more "dark" and "edgy" with no context. I'm not saying that this is what will happen if we don't include Robin in any future Bat-films, but to me this seems like the mindset some posters here think of the character of Batman.

Going to my earlier point, the character of Dick Grayson (notice how I say Dick Grayson, not Robin) only compliments this. Dick had a tragedy much similar to Bruce Wayne did where he lost his parents at a young age, Bruce then took the young boy in and soon trained him. Now in the comics, Dick has managed to become a more normal human being and a happier one thanks to his adoptive father, Bruce Wayne. Now, about my idea for how to adapt Robin to the next film and change him? Simple. Just change the costume, keep every other part of the character roughly the same and have him trained by Bruce. It's a perfect dynamic right there. Any attempts to change Robin to become "cooler" would then just have him become Jason Todd (who was killed for being annoying and too dark) and eventually we had Tim Drake. Now, you may argue that Damian is a popular Robin, but that's only because of the role reversal between a light Batman and a dark Robin.

Thematically, the inclusion of Robin makes sense seeing as Bruce dealt heavily with the loss of his father in the first film, it only makes sense that he manages to save someone from the same torment he had by giving him a release by fighting criminals the same way. Make the costume darker in tone and resemble Batman's, it's simple. Hell, just have Dick as a supporting character who doesn't become Robin till the end of the film, simple.

And you know what? Most audiences would love it; if any director could make people show why Robin works and he's a great character it's Christopher Nolan. Personally to me, you can kill off the Joker and still tell Batman stories without him for twenty years, and it'll still feel like Batman to me. But kill off Robin, and erase Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake from DC Continuity? Then you just have a lonely depressed Bruce Wayne with no legacy who will always be closer to insanity and become slightly better than any other Wolverine or Punisher knock-off.

Anyway, I would really hope people would stop calling the concept of Robin stupid as he is just as important as Batman towards the mythology (hell, look at the current Batman comics- Dick Grayson is in the costume!), but as usal the best response I will get is "ROBIN SUCKS!! I HATE HIM, HE'S A KID!! KIDS ARE STUPID! SINCE WHEN IS BATMAN FOR KIDS!!!?"


You had a 100% from me until you mentioned how they could kill The Joker off in the comics. Then you lost me. 100%-0%. Sorry buddy, I can't get over that. Batman needs Joker more than Robin. The Batman Joker relationship is arguably the greatest in Comics history.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with Robin being in Batman films EXCEPT NOLAN films. It wouldn't work. Bruce is still too young which means Robin would be very young. Based off the world Chris has developed through two films, it is highly unreasonable to think a young kid in MAYBE early teens can fight Gotham's underworld. If Nolan's universe started with Robin, it would be fine, because it would be consistent. Adding Robin in Batman 3 would ruin the trilogy's realism consistency.
 
I don't think Nolan will add Robin because he doesn't read comics and thereby doesn't like Robin. But damn, I want a good director (not that I don't think Nolan is good at directing) to give Robin some screen time. Cause Robin is ****ing holy **** ass kicking and none of my friends that don't read comics know this. THE WORD MUST BE SPREAD!

What do you mean "thereby"? Many read comics and hate Robin.

He didn't mean Dick was literally in a crib somewhere, just saying its too early to bring his character in.

He actually meant he didn't want to use him, otherwise he would have or would do in the next movie.
 
What do you mean "thereby"? Many read comics and hate Robin.

I for one read comics and hate Robin. I liked him when I was 5. I find him pretty pointless now, to be honest. Then again, I've always hated the whole "sidekick" thing.
 
Yes i too enjoy batman comics but am not a fan of robin. He's the type of character who you can only possibly enjoy if you dont stop to think about who he actually is. I.E. your looking at a 10 year old beat up large thugs.

The concept of what robin provides to batman is great like being a second opinion or somewhat of a light to his dark but the actual embodiment of robin is off is you stop to think.
 
You had a 100% from me until you mentioned how they could kill The Joker off in the comics. Then you lost me. 100%-0%. Sorry buddy, I can't get over that. Batman needs Joker more than Robin. The Batman Joker relationship is arguably the greatest in Comics history.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with Robin being in Batman films EXCEPT NOLAN films. It wouldn't work. Bruce is still too young which means Robin would be very young. Based off the world Chris has developed through two films, it is highly unreasonable to think a young kid in MAYBE early teens can fight Gotham's underworld. If Nolan's universe started with Robin, it would be fine, because it would be consistent. Adding Robin in Batman 3 would ruin the trilogy's realism consistency.

I respect your argument and your opinions you have on the subject of Robin; but I would like to share my views on why I think Robin is much more important than The Joker.

Of course the rivalry between Joker and Batman is a great one and does in fact give us some great reading and viewing, but I was just using the character of him as an example to how Robin is an important part of the mythos. This is probably the lamest excuse so I get this one out first, but Robin has been appearing in Batman comics longer than Mr. J has (Robin appeared in Detective Comics 38, I believe before the arrival of Batman 1). The other thing I have to say is, Joker is just another part of the Batman's mythology and is his greatest enemy, but the character has done so much damage and has had a massive impact that if the story was really well written I wouldn't worry for the final Joker story, of course I would rather he stayed alive because he is my favourite comic book villain.

Robin on the other hand? He is possibly one of the most vital characters to Batman and cannot think of a DC Universe without him- especially Dick Grayson whom has proved to be Bruce Wayne's near equal and holds the title of being as important to comics as Batman is.

As for realism, I've said it once and I'll say it again- you're watching a billionaire playboy whom was trained by ninjas, dressed as a Bat fighting a nut-case in make-up. If Nolan's world was really that realistic, Bruce wouldn't wear a cape and cowl, he would just wear black covert operations style camouflage and just call himself "Batman", and every time he glided and landed into windows and stuff- how did he not break a single bone or his eyeballs fell out of his sockets on impact; because IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!

Also, Nolan is currently on-board for helping the direction of the Superman franchise; a character whose powers are not only god-like, take away most of the laws of physics out the window. So, hopefully a kid trained by Batman wouldn't be that bad; and Bruce is too young? In Batman Begins I believe he turned 30, so that would mean in The Dark Knight he is now 31- in the comics Bruce became Batman when he was around 18-25 and adopted Dick Grayson within those years, plus Nolan's Batman is in it's own universe so he can easily change Dick's age to that of 16 years old; I admit casting an actor who can portray Robin well will be hard, but all great roles are.

Nolan could make Robin work, it's not that implausible and this trilogy is about Batman's early years where Robin marked the beginning of a new era. All that matters is if Nolan chooses to use him.
 
Dark Victory was one of the poignant reasons to like robin.
 
Robin can work and he can't. It's just the way you make him be, introduce him, etc. So if Nolan adds him,fine, if he doesn't, fine. I'm neutral.
 
Yes i too enjoy batman comics but am not a fan of robin. He's the type of character who you can only possibly enjoy if you dont stop to think about who he actually is. I.E. your looking at a 10 year old beat up large thugs.

The concept of what robin provides to batman is great like being a second opinion or somewhat of a light to his dark but the actual embodiment of robin is off is you stop to think.

So the 40 year old Billionare in a bat suit fighting crime is not off to you, but the young boy in a Bright costume is? Its all upsurd all of it, Batman is upsurd, just like every other comic book hero or heroine, Please dont act like adding robin would make it more absurd. Its FICTION, its not real, its a dude in a Flipping Bat suit, who cares if hes working with a Teenager, hes in a Freaking Bat suit, Hes alreayd crazy!
 
Thats the point though adding robin does make it more absurd. Batman is not just like every other superhero the fact he doesn't have superpowers speaks volumes alone of that.

Of course batman is not realistic but he has that human element that grounds him to earth more than a superman or green lantern and i think that's what attracts so many people. I'll say in the comics robin can work better because things in general are very hightened where a young boy can be made to look like he can kick huge thug ass.

However in a non stylized (i.e. frank miller/zack snyder) film as we have with Nolan, the visual absurdity of introducing robin would far overshadow any other unrealistic thing you would notice in the film. It would be a huge distraction.
 
Thats the point though adding robin does make it more absurd. Batman is not just like every other superhero the fact he doesn't have superpowers speaks volumes alone of that.

Of course batman is not realistic but he has that human element that grounds him to earth more than a superman or green lantern and i think that's what attracts so many people. I'll say in the comics robin can work better because things in general are very hightened where a young boy can be made to look like he can kick huge thug ass.

However in a non stylized (i.e. frank miller/zack snyder) film as we have with Nolan, the visual absurdity of introducing robin would far overshadow any other unrealistic thing you would notice in the film. It would be a huge distraction.

Exactly.

Batman's implausibility has nothing to do. It is what you put next to an implausibility that you want to look plausible what can ruin anything.

I could go and defend bat-myte because of Batman being already absurd (or whatever the word you want to use).

Robin is absurd (next to Batman) and Batman is implausible (by itself). Fiction doesn't automatically equal absurd.

I wouldn't mind to see a teenager human superhero called Robin. But a colorful sidekick kid next to what Batman is not convincing at all. No, not even if Batman looks implausible.
 
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I respect your argument and your opinions you have on the subject of Robin; but I would like to share my views on why I think Robin is much more important than The Joker.

Of course the rivalry between Joker and Batman is a great one and does in fact give us some great reading and viewing, but I was just using the character of him as an example to how Robin is an important part of the mythos. This is probably the lamest excuse so I get this one out first, but Robin has been appearing in Batman comics longer than Mr. J has (Robin appeared in Detective Comics 38, I believe before the arrival of Batman 1). The other thing I have to say is, Joker is just another part of the Batman's mythology and is his greatest enemy, but the character has done so much damage and has had a massive impact that if the story was really well written I wouldn't worry for the final Joker story, of course I would rather he stayed alive because he is my favourite comic book villain.

Robin on the other hand? He is possibly one of the most vital characters to Batman and cannot think of a DC Universe without him- especially Dick
n whom has proved to be Bruce Wayne's near equal and holds the title of being as important to comics as Batman is.

As for realism, I've said it once and I'll say it again- you're watching a billionaire playboy whom was trained by ninjas, dressed as a Bat fighting a nut-case in make-up. If Nolan's world was really that realistic, Bruce wouldn't wear a cape and cowl, he would just wear black covert operations style camouflage and just call himself "Batman", and every time he glided and landed into windows and stuff- how did he not break a single bone or his eyeballs fell out of his sockets on impact; because IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!!

Also, Nolan is currently on-board for helping the direction of the Superman franchise; a character whose powers are not only god-like, take away most of the laws of physics out the window. So, hopefully a kid trained by Batman wouldn't be that bad; and Bruce is too young? In Batman Begins I believe he turned 30, so that would mean in The Dark Knight he is now 31- in the comics Bruce became Batman when he was around 18-25 and adopted Dick Grayson within those years, plus Nolan's Batman is in it's own universe so he can easily change Dick's age to that of 16 years old; I admit casting an actor who can portray Robin well will be hard, but all great roles are.

Nolan could make Robin work, it's not that implausible and this trilogy is about Batman's early years where Robin marked the beginning of a new era. All that matters is if Nolan chooses to use him.


You have knocked the nail on the head...Bruce Wayne is a billionaire playboy...in what universe would child services EVER grant this guy custody of a minor????
Also what kind of bloke would let his ward come out on patrol with him, when there is a chance he might get maimed or killed and then his secret identity would be revealed to the world...I have always thought that Robin was a ludicrus character and would NEVER want to see him in a Batman film.
 
Look at comics, they made Damian Wayne as Robin & Dick Grayson as Batman. WTF???

What's next Joker as the good guy?

As for movies Robin should be in it but not in Nolans Bat movies.
 
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