The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[IBRAH08]

But someone who has read quite a few comics will realise that Robin is quintessential and you cant have Batman without him. Not for long anyway. Its Batman & Robin. Enough with the grimdark and the crime drama bullcrap.

Thank you. Robin is such a great character, how could one miss his importance.

 

[IBRAH08]

I believe Dick is an important character to Bruce, Robin is irrelevant to Batman however.

Not true, they watch each other's backs. And even if they didn't;Bruce IS Batman, so what's good for Bruce is good for Bats.

 

[IBRAH08]

Or think that animation and comics are different media or have read comics and don't like the character.

The medium is entirely irrelevant.
If you don't like robin (and are well informed on the character) you probably don't like Batman either

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I believe Dick is an important character to Bruce, Robin is irrelevant to Batman however.

I somewhat agree. I think Dick is more important to Bruce than Robin is to Batman.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'm wondering if Robin should have a cowl. Domino masks don't hide anything & why should Batman have head protection & leave his partner's head exposed?

 

[IBRAH08]

I'm wondering if Robin should have a cowl. Domino masks don't hide anything & why should Batman have head protection & leave his partner's head exposed?

I think that is kinda what the hood is going for. I like the hood, visually.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I always thought the hood was to keep his head dry from the rain. We've seen countless images of Batman and Robin on a rooftop in the rain, where Batman's hair is untouched and Robin is slowly developing a cold. Damian strikes me as the kind of kid who wouldn't put up with that.

 

[Chris Wallace]

When Batman '89 first came out, I tried to visualize what Robin would look like. I couldn't see him running around half naked like the old school costume had him, and I doubted he'd do the red & green in light of what Batman was wearing.

 

[Chris Wallace]

When Batman '89 first came out, I tried to visualize what Robin would look like. I couldn't see him running around half naked like the old school costume had him, and I doubted he'd do the red & green in light of what Batman was wearing.

 

[IBRAH08]

When Batman '89 first came out, I tried to visualize what Robin would look like. I couldn't see him running around half naked like the old school costume had him, and I doubted he'd do the red & green in light of what Batman was wearing.

I really like damian's costume. It looks pretty functional too.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I somewhat agree. I think Dick is more important to Bruce than Robin is to Batman.

Watch The Batman episode with Robin's origin. Its one of the best of the show. It explains that Bruce cant be there for Dick, but Batman can be for Robin. So how exactly will Dick be important to Bruce when he wont have time with him?
Here's the episode. The part i refer to is at 5:30 of the 3rd video. And tell me you dont get goosebumps from the ending.
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[El Payaso]

But someone who has read quite a few comics will realise that Robin is quintessential and you cant have Batman without him. Not for long anyway. Its Batman & Robin. Enough with the grimdark and the crime drama bullcrap.

Not only has Batman been able to be without Robin in movies, but he has been quite succesful that way, financially and critically. Batman's best movies have been done without Robin and even when he could be there it's not like "you cant have Batman without him." You can and for as many movies as you want, as long as you have interesting characters around him, who would more likely be the villiains. Father Batman might be an interesting experiment for comics but for movies it derails the main character of its main mission. He has so much to explore before falling into fatherhood or trips to the fifth dimension to find Batmite.

 

[The Joker]

Not only has Batman been able to be without Robin in movies, but he has been quite succesful that way, financially and critically. Batman's best movies have been done without Robin and even when he could be there it's not like "you cant have Batman without him." You can and for as many movies as you want, as long as you have interesting characters around him, who would more likely be the villiains. Father Batman might be an interesting experiment for comics but for movies it derails the main character of its main mission. He has so much to explore before falling into fatherhood or trips to the fifth dimension to find Batmite.

This is true.

The bulk of BTAS had Batman as a loner, too. TNBA did the opposite, where he always had either Robin, Batgirl, or Nightwing around, which I think was one of the reasons why TNBA was weaker than BTAS. Batman was never alone.

I love the character of Robin, but I don't believe he's essential to be put into the movies. But I wouldn't be against it either, as long as it was handled properly, and served a genuine purpose to the story. I don't want the studio to pull a Venom in Spider-Man 3, and just lumber Robin into the story just to please fans.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Not only has Batman been able to be without Robin in movies, but he has been quite succesful that way, financially and critically. Batman's best movies have been done without Robin and even when he could be there it's not like "you cant have Batman without him." You can and for as many movies as you want, as long as you have interesting characters around him, who would more likely be the villiains. Father Batman might be an interesting experiment for comics but for movies it derails the main character of its main mission. He has so much to explore before falling into fatherhood or trips to the fifth dimension to find Batmite.

OK, Batman can exist in the movies without Robin, but i dont know for how long before it gets stale. Robin progresses the story and character a lot.

This is true.

The bulk of BTAS had Batman as a loner, too. TNBA did the opposite, where he always had either Robin, Batgirl, or Nightwing around, which I think was one of the reasons why TNBA was weaker than BTAS. Batman was never alone.

TNBA had weaker designs which could give you a sense of inferiority to BTAS, but TNBA had some great and dark stories. One of them was about Dick and Bruce's quarrel that broke the dynamic duo and made Dick become Nighwing. That was a great story.
Also, bear in mind that it was the 4th season of animated Batman and they were running out of ideas and things to do.

 

[The Joker]

TNBA had weaker designs which could give you a sense of inferiority to BTAS

Well, apart from the Joker and Poison Ivy, I loved the new designs. In some cases, like with the Scarecrow, I thought they were better than the BTAS ones.

but TNBA had some great and dark stories. One of them was about Dick and Bruce's quarrel that broke the dynamic duo and made Dick become Nighwing. That was a great story.

Old Wounds, a great episode. One of my favorites. Over the Edge was another classic, too.

I enjoyed TNBA overall, but Batman being in constant company, not to mention always having help dealing with villains he'd been dealing with for years by himself, was a negative on the stories, and Batman as a character, IMO.

It was better in BTAS, when Robin would make sporadic appearance when necessary.

Also, bear in mind that it was the 4th season of animated Batman and they were running out of ideas and things to do.

I don't entirely agree. There was some fantastic story ideas in nearly every episode. It's just the execution of some of them was a bit naff.

There's only one episode I'd call outright horrible in TNBA, and that was Critters.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, apart from the Joker and Poison Ivy, I loved the new designs. In some cases, like with the Scarecrow, I thought they were better than the BTAS ones.

They were a bit choppy. Imho, JL had the best designs, batman included.

I enjoyed TNBA overall, but Batman being in constant company, not to mention always having help dealing with villains he'd been dealing with for years by himself, was a negative on the stories, and Batman as a character, IMO.

It was better in BTAS, when Robin would make sporadic appearance when necessary.

I didnt mind Robin, but with Batgirl it was getting crowded. And for some reason i never liked the concept of Batgirl. I love Babs, but Batgirl is too cheesy for me. She's better off as Oracle, i just hope she is healed at some point. With people recovering from death, she should regain her legs and stay as Oracle.

I don't entirely agree. There was some fantastic story ideas in nearly every episode. It's just the execution of some of them was a bit naff.

There's only one episode I'd call outright horrible in TNBA, and that was Critters.

Both BTAS and TNBA had good and bad episodes. What's this critters episode you refer to? I dont remember it.

 

[The Joker]

I didnt mind Robin, but with Batgirl it was getting crowded. And for some reason i never liked the concept of Batgirl. I love Babs, but Batgirl is too cheesy for me. She's better off as Oracle, i just hope she is healed at some point. With people recovering from death, she should regain her legs and stay as Oracle.

I agree. Batgirl always seemed to be in there just for the female fan base. Nothing wrong with that, but her character never really served any major purpose.

Both BTAS and TNBA had good and bad episodes. What's this critters episode you refer to? I dont remember it.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/tnba/episodes/14critters/

The one where that Farmer Brown mutated all his farm animals to attack Gotham City. Bleh!

 

[akfj]

OK, Batman can exist in the movies without Robin, but i dont know for how long before it gets stale. Robin progresses the story and character a lot.
TNBA had weaker designs which could give you a sense of inferiority to BTAS, but TNBA had some great and dark stories. One of them was about Dick and Bruce's quarrel that broke the dynamic duo and made Dick become Nighwing. That was a great story.
Also, bear in mind that it was the 4th season of animated Batman and they were running out of ideas and things to do.

It wasn't the 4th season, it was a whole other show that aired two years after BTAS ended. There were four seasons of BTAS and two seasons of TNBA. People make the mistake of thinking the DVDs are season sets, but they're volume sets which can contain episodes from different seasons.

 

[Mr. Earle]

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/batman/tnba/episodes/14critters/

The one where that Farmer Brown mutated all his farm animals to attack Gotham City. Bleh!

Oh god, that episode sucked ass.

It wasn't the 4th season, it was a whole other show that aired two years after BTAS ended. There were four seasons of BTAS and two seasons of TNBA. People make the mistake of thinking the DVDs are season sets, but they're volume sets which can contain episodes from different seasons.

In any case, they had the same continuity.

 

[IBRAH08]

This is true.

The bulk of BTAS had Batman as a loner, too. TNBA did the opposite, where he always had either Robin, Batgirl, or Nightwing around, which I think was one of the reasons why TNBA was weaker than BTAS. Batman was never alone.

I love the character of Robin, but I don't believe he's essential to be put into the movies. But I wouldn't be against it either, as long as it was handled properly, and served a genuine purpose to the story. I don't want the studio to pull a Venom in Spider-Man 3, and just lumber Robin into the story just to please fans.

True, but Robin's Reckoning won awards and was one of the series's best episodes.

 

[IBRAH08]

Not only has Batman been able to be without Robin in movies, but he has been quite succesful that way, financially and critically. Batman's best movies have been done without Robin and even when he could be there it's not like "you cant have Batman without him." You can and for as many movies as you want, as long as you have interesting characters around him, who would more likely be the villiains. Father Batman might be an interesting experiment for comics but for movies it derails the main character of its main mission. He has so much to explore before falling into fatherhood or trips to the fifth dimension to find Batmite.

Bumps in the road on "the mission" make the story interesting. If the mission is just going on without chance of being derailed then it's just grinding like a machine.

 

[IBRAH08]

They were a bit choppy. Imho, JL had the best designs, batman included.
I didnt mind Robin, but with Batgirl it was getting crowded. And for some reason i never liked the concept of Batgirl. I love Babs, but Batgirl is too cheesy for me. She's better off as Oracle, i just hope she is healed at some point. With people recovering from death, she should regain her legs and stay as Oracle.
Both BTAS and TNBA had good and bad episodes. What's this critters episode you refer to? I dont remember it.

YEah I never got that. It's like someone said in one of the comic threads "have her stay oracle but let her go out dancing with Dick every once in a while." I mean jesus they reconstructed Damian's whole spine.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Not only has Batman been able to be without Robin in movies, but he has been quite succesful that way, financially and critically. Batman's best movies have been done without Robin and even when he could be there it's not like "you cant have Batman without him." You can and for as many movies as you want, as long as you have interesting characters around him, who would more likely be the villiains. Father Batman might be an interesting experiment for comics but for movies it derails the main character of its main mission. He has so much to explore before falling into fatherhood or trips to the fifth dimension to find Batmite.

OK, i just noticed this from IBRAH08's post responding to you. I dont know why i missed this before.

Anyway, how is this relevant to the point at hand? Are comparing Robin to Batmite?

 

[The Joker]

True, but Robin's Reckoning won awards and was one of the series's best episodes.

Robin's reckoning won one award. And only part 1 of Robin's reckoning won it, too.

And Robin's reckoning never even showed the transition of Dick to Robin. It was his backstory of how he lost his parents and found their killer. It is essentially a mirror image of Bruce's story, which was never done in BTAS.

I'm not trying to diminish the effectiveness of the episode, because it deserved it's win. But it most likely got it because it's the only episode in BTAS which dealt with death, and trying to cope with it. It was pretty hardcore.

 

[Mr. Earle]

There was nothing more hardcore than Barbara's death when she fell from the top of a building right on the windscreen of her father's police car.


It turned out to be a nightmare of course.