The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Bruce just went up against a pure psychotic force in the Joker, got his girl/best friend blown up, saw a man he wanted to help become the face of gotham become disfigured and also psychotic...

All that stuff has happened in the comics and they're still making Robins.

 

[sdc10]

All that stuff has happened in the comics and they're still making Robins.

The comics also currently have Bruce traveling to parallel worlds and through time With the more "real world" take on it, the idea of robin and bruce taking care of him doesnt make sense given the circumstances. Besides, Nolan has even said that he wont put robin in the movies and that dick grayson is still too young to become robin so isnt this whole argument kinda moot?

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I know Nolan doesn't want to put Robin in, but I was making the point that the movie reflects the comics in a lot of ways. Robin could have easily been one of them.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

All that stuff has happened in the comics and they're still making Robins.

This.

Bruce just went up against a pure psychotic force in the Joker, got his girl/best friend blown up, saw a man he wanted to help become the face of gotham become disfigured and also psychotic, took the blame for murders committed by said person and is now being hunted by the police. This does not strike me as the type of person who is physically or emotionally capable of caring for a teenager let alone wanting to suit them up and get help from them.

The comics also currently have Bruce traveling to parallel worlds and through time With the more "real world" take on it, the idea of robin and bruce taking care of him doesnt make sense given the circumstances. Besides, Nolan has even said that he wont put robin in the movies and that dick grayson is still too young to become robin so isnt this whole argument kinda moot?

This is not me justifying that Robin will be in the film or should, but rather me defending that Bruce will be capable to take care of child.


Did you hear Jim Gordon's speech at the end of The Dark Knight?

".....He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight....."

So are we expecting that just because its not the comics version and Nolan's Batman that he can't do the same? That Nolan's Batman will be emotionally and physically capable either?

Btw, Dick Grayson's first appearance in the comics (Canonically, not year or issue wise) is Dark Victory, a time where Batman was losing it emotionally and Dick Grayson was one of his last anchors left to humanity.


And I keep hearing that people are saying that Nolan won't put Robin in his films. I think we all know that already so you guys can stop pointing that out. People still want to discuss this to discuss the plausibility of Dick Grayson being in a Nolan Batman film and its always fun to speculate. Also, its not like Robin will ever be in a Batman film again.

Like I said before, there's no doubt in my mind Nolan can make a great Batman film with Robin without ruining the plausibility of his films. But if he doesn't have Robin in his plans and doesn't want to focus on how to Robin in the series, that's fine. I'd rather him complete his story than to let him submit to what fan want. He's earned that right.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Dark Victory is the best example of how Robin can be brought into Batman's world.

 

[El Payaso]

I know Nolan doesn't want to put Robin in, but I was making the point that the movie reflects the comics in a lot of ways. Robin could have easily been one of them.

Movies should reflect good things from comics.

 

[Cain]

People who don't regularly read the comics shouldn't even bother trying to speak on what's good or bad about them. Robin is one of the good things BTW but since many on here don't read comic books it'd be a moot point to elaborate why.

 

[El Payaso]

People who don't regularly read the comics shouldn't even bother trying to speak on what's good or bad about them. Robin is one of the good things BTW but since many on here don't read comic books it'd be a moot point to elaborate why.

On the other hand it'd be nice to explain why some people assume that those who don't like Robin don't read comics. That accusation has been made too many times now as a way to dismiss other people's opinion.

 

[Cain]

No offense but I associate people who regularly read Batman comics with people who actually do regularly discuss them in the comic book board of this section. I know many who only post on the movie boards here have read the go-to recommended by website stories like TLH, Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns and Year One but that's just casual reader friendly fare. Not really a great reflection at all of what Batman comic books are truly capable of nor a true reflection of all the great elements of the actual mythology.

 

[sdc10]

People who don't regularly read the comics shouldn't even bother trying to speak on what's good or bad about them. Robin is one of the good things BTW but since many on here don't read comic books it'd be a moot point to elaborate why.

What does reading the book have to do with the movie? I regularly read the books and yes Robin is a staple. People cant think of Batman without thinking of Robin. But when was a superhero movie ever a complete reflection of the book?

 

[sdc10]

Did you hear Jim Gordon's speech at the end of The Dark Knight?

".....He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight....."

So are we expecting that just because its not the comics version and Nolan's Batman that he can't do the same? That Nolan's Batman will be emotionally and physically capable either?

Does this mean realistically a teenager could put up with that? My other concern is that the third batman movie would just serve as an origin movie for Robin which I do not want to see. I want to see how Batman deals with all the events thats happened while taking on a larger than life villain, not him focusing on the training of a teenager. Also, again after everything he has been through why would he want to but anybody else into that position? In TDK he was happy to be able to stop being Batman, why would he want to place that burden onto anyone else, especially a kid?

 

[Cain]

What does reading the book have to do with the movie? I regularly read the books and yes Robin is a staple. People cant think of Batman without thinking of Robin. But when was a superhero movie ever a complete reflection of the book?

It doesn't so notice I wasn't talking about the movies but replying to the comment that Robin is one of the worst aspects of the BOOKS which he is not

....yeah.

 

[The Joker]

In TDK he was happy to be able to stop being Batman, why would he want to place that burden onto anyone else, especially a kid?

I'd hardly say he was happy to give it up. He was facing the prospect of public exposure and even prison.

 

[sdc10]

It doesn't so notice I wasn't talking about the movies but replying to the comment that Robin is one of the worst aspects of the BOOKS which he is not

....yeah.

Yes but your also implying that since Robin is part of the books he should also be part of the movies, and that he would be good for the movie. Which brought me back to my point of when has a superhero movie ever been a true reflection of the book? Just because Robin is in the book does not mean he has to be in the movie.

 

[sdc10]

I'd hardly say he was happy to give it up. He was facing the prospect of public exposure and even prison.

Even before that he was looking at Harvey to become Gotham's protector. You cant say being able to be with Rachel didnt make him a little happy.

 

[Cain]

Yes but your also implying that since Robin is part of the books he should also be part of the movies, and that he would be good for the movie. Which brought me back to my point of when has a superhero movie ever been a true reflection of the book? Just because Robin is in the book does not mean he has to be in the movie.

No I AM NOT!!! I don't care enough about the issue to even chime in as I really don't care about the movies in the first place. All the Batman movies not just the current ones entertain me. I'm a proud owner of them all and appreciate that all reflect the varied nature of the progression of the mythology. However that's about it, I'm not passionate over them like most on here by any means.

I'm only that way about the comic books as it's MY preferred medium for the character and his world. Which is why I commented on somebody trying to speak on what's good or bad about the COMICS when they clearly don't really mess with the comics regularly. Cause that's how misinformation is spread.

 

[The Joker]

Even before that he was looking at Harvey to become Gotham's protector. You cant say being able to be with Rachel didnt make him a little happy.

Of course the prospect of being with Rachel made him happy. But he never intended to do it until the day "When Gotham would no longer needs Batman".

But he was kidding himself, as Rachel so correctly pointed out in her letter that the day would never come where Bruce would no longer need Batman.

 

[Crook]

Also, again after everything he has been through why would he want to but anybody else into that position?

Haven't you read/watched anything Batman related pre-Robin? He had plenty of s**t in his life that wasn't pleasant. And yet...

In TDK he was happy to be able to stop being Batman, why would he want to place that burden onto anyone else, especially a kid?

Same as above, but I'll narrow it down. Are you a fan of BTAS? Or specifically, MOTP? He was ready and willing to give up Batman for a happier life, and even when that plan went awry, he still took on Robin afterwards.

There are some valid concerns for inserting Robin into this franchise. But I do find it puzzling fans insist Bruce would never consider such a thought. One, because he is a fictional character. Two, he has in most depictions of the mythos. It's so easy to dismiss characters, stories, and concepts before they actually make it into the product. Mind you, as a member of this board for almost a decade, there were plenty of people pre-TDK that thoroughly believed many things would not appear in a Nolan film, and they did. Where are they now? Nowhere. Or they're here, but they're so mum we forgot they were such adamant voices on the subject.

I'm not at all suggesting Robin will be in a Nolan film (I don't think he will), but fans are notorious for having pies in their faces for speaking on matters they should know would be conjecture or hypothetical.

 

[weezerspider]

No offense but I associate people who regularly read Batman comics with people who actually do regularly discuss them in the comic book board of this section. I know many who only post on the movie boards here have read the go-to recommended by website stories like TLH, Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns and Year One but that's just casual reader friendly fare. Not really a great reflection at all of what Batman comic books are truly capable of nor a true reflection of all the great elements of the actual mythology.

Ever think some people don't comment on the comic forums because its full of people like you stick their nose in the air and act as if they are the only "true fans"? I've been reading Batman comics since I was 6. The first thing I ever read cover to cover was a Batman comic featuring Batman fighting Ras and Bane. I've loved the character since. I reply on the film forums because I work in film/ I like reading spoilers or new news about upcoming films/discuss new releases or ideas for sequels. I hardly speak on the comics section for many reasons.
1. I find the film forums more enjoyable for ALL those reasons I just mentioned.
2. There are alot of jerks who think they are "true fans" in the comic boards who just piss me off.
3. The majority of the comic board people are narrow minded and find some way to bring up how they hate something about movies because its not frame-by-frame like the comics. Its an old topic people. Get a life.
4. I don't post on here that frequent anyways. I'm at an average of a round 1 post a day. When I do post, I post where I have more fun, which I described earlier is in the movie forum.
5. Comics are down right now IMO. I hate whats going on with Batman, how Dick's Batman and Damion's Robin. Captain America getting Killed? Spiderman selling his marriage to Mephisto? Overall, I haven't been too pleased the story telling of the comic world in general for the past 5 or 6 years.

So please, don't base comic fandom based on how frequent I or anyone else posts in the comic boards, or what they like and don't like about the movies.

 

[weezerspider]

Also, you guys might have a beef if the Batman film franchise was an adaption of particular comics(Ala Kick-Ass, Watchmen, V For Vendetta, 300), but they are not. The films are just like a non-canon graphic novel. If Nolan made a film adaption of The Dark Knight Returns and left out Robin and Superman, I'd be pissed because he is making an adaption of a particular story. He's not doing that. He's writing a Batman story that he thinks is awesome and the fans will like, just like any non-canon graphic novel writer would do.

 

[Mr. Earle]

2. There are alot of jerks who think they are "true fans" in the comic boards who just piss me off.

Funny. I visit the comic book threads very often and i've never seen anyone brag like you describe. Its just people discussing comic books.

5. Comics are down right now IMO. I hate whats going on with Batman, how Dick's Batman and Damion's Robin. Captain America getting Killed? Spiderman selling his marriage to Mephisto? Overall, I haven't been too pleased the story telling of the comic world in general for the past 5 or 6 years.

Apart from Spiderman which is pretty old, the rest of the changes you mentioned are fairly recent. And maybe they 'd like them if you've given them a chance and read them through, knowing that sooner or later we'd go back to the status quo that we've had for almost a century. With that in mind, who passes up the chance to see what would happen if Batman and Cap died or stopped and someone had to succeed them?

Haven't you read/watched anything Batman related pre-Robin? He had plenty of s**t in his life that wasn't pleasant. And yet...


Same as above, but I'll narrow it down. Are you a fan of BTAS? Or specifically, MOTP? He was ready and willing to give up Batman for a happier life, and even when that plan went awry, he still took on Robin afterwards.

There are some valid concerns for inserting Robin into this franchise. But I do find it puzzling fans insist Bruce would never consider such a thought. One, because he is a fictional character. Two, he has in most depictions of the mythos. It's so easy to dismiss characters, stories, and concepts before they actually make it into the product. Mind you, as a member of this board for almost a decade, there were plenty of people pre-TDK that thoroughly believed many things would not appear in a Nolan film, and they did. Where are they now? Nowhere. Or they're here, but they're so mum we forgot they were such adamant voices on the subject.

I'm not at all suggesting Robin will be in a Nolan film (I don't think he will), but fans are notorious for having pies in their faces for speaking on matters they should know would be conjecture or hypothetical.

 

[Cain]

Ever think some people don't comment on the comic forums because its full of people like you stick their nose in the air and act as if they are the only "true fans"? I've been reading Batman comics since I was 6. The first thing I ever read cover to cover was a Batman comic featuring Batman fighting Ras and Bane. I've loved the character since. I reply on the film forums because I work in film/ I like reading spoilers or new news about upcoming films/discuss new releases or ideas for sequels. I hardly speak on the comics section for many reasons.
1. I find the film forums more enjoyable for ALL those reasons I just mentioned.
2. There are alot of jerks who think they are "true fans" in the comic boards who just piss me off.
3. The majority of the comic board people are narrow minded and find some way to bring up how they hate something about movies because its not frame-by-frame like the comics. Its an old topic people. Get a life.
4. I don't post on here that frequent anyways. I'm at an average of a round 1 post a day. When I do post, I post where I have more fun, which I described earlier is in the movie forum.
5. Comics are down right now IMO. I hate whats going on with Batman, how Dick's Batman and Damion's Robin. Captain America getting Killed? Spiderman selling his marriage to Mephisto? Overall, I haven't been too pleased the story telling of the comic world in general for the past 5 or 6 years.

So please, don't base comic fandom based on how frequent I or anyone else posts in the comic boards, or what they like and don't like about the movies.

Buddy I don't know what your problem is but I don't stick my air in the air at anybody let alone a bunch of anonymous strangers. Everybody is on this board because they enjoy superhero movies so cut that out about people on the comic board sticking their nose in the air. If you ever really posted there you'd know that's not the case as people there enjoy superhero movies as well.

We're all fans of this character yes? so wtf is a "true fan". There are just preferences over what you like. This is the beauty of such a character in the first place. Also just curious have you actually read the aftermath of all those plot points? because you should the know the outcomes of the majority of them were fairly universally well received.

Even with Spider-Man despite the fact that the event that led to those outcomes in his case was hot garbage. If you gave them a chance and just weren't enjoying them on the other hand for technical reasons or something ok. However if you've never read them how do you know if you'd enjoy them or not?

I know plenty of people in real life that don't know anything about Batman besides movies and cartoons I don't think any less of them. We're all Batman fans that's the point of us all posting here in the first place. I'm just a fairly blunt person but geesh I didn't know people took this boards THAT seriously to read into everything like that.

 

[sdc10]

Haven't you read/watched anything Batman related pre-Robin? He had plenty of s**t in his life that wasn't pleasant. And yet...


Same as above, but I'll narrow it down. Are you a fan of BTAS? Or specifically, MOTP? He was ready and willing to give up Batman for a happier life, and even when that plan went awry, he still took on Robin afterwards.

There are some valid concerns for inserting Robin into this franchise. But I do find it puzzling fans insist Bruce would never consider such a thought. One, because he is a fictional character. Two, he has in most depictions of the mythos. It's so easy to dismiss characters, stories, and concepts before they actually make it into the product. Mind you, as a member of this board for almost a decade, there were plenty of people pre-TDK that thoroughly believed many things would not appear in a Nolan film, and they did. Where are they now? Nowhere. Or they're here, but they're so mum we forgot they were such adamant voices on the subject.

I'm not at all suggesting Robin will be in a Nolan film (I don't think he will), but fans are notorious for having pies in their faces for speaking on matters they should know would be conjecture or hypothetical.

Again these movies have nothing to do with TAS or any way Batman has been portrayed in the past. So looking at those for support on how Batman should behave doesn't make sense. I am not clearly writing off Robin because I dont like the character, Robin is an icon just as much as Batman is. Im merely going on what Nolan has said as well as my own personal opinion. Also, there were many people posting on these boards who thought things would appear the film and did not i.e. joker being perma-white. You don't hear much from those people either so it goes both ways.

 

[GlasgowBat]

It's not the comedy, it's that the tone and world that Hit-Girl resides in, is one that accepts all forms of absurdity.

The comedy was most certainly a part of it. The humour inherent in a young girl brutally and mercilessly killing criminals with OTT and unnecessary acrobatic movement and flair is what makes for acceptance.

Also, c***s. can't forget that.

only point I'm making is that characters must fit pre-established tone(we clearly agree here). Furthermore, there is no reason that Robin cannot be successfully integrated into that which is already set.

Particularly the escalation theme and continued development of Bruce Wayne as a character. That is not to say that Robin is necessary; as i have said before, anyone who suggests that a story cannot be crafted without Robin's inclusion for the third movie that is relevant, entertaining and progressive of Bruce Wayne's character grossly underestimates the characters, both used and unused(besides Grayson, obviously) and the craftsmen themselves.

 

[weezerspider]

Buddy I don't know what your problem is but I don't stick my air in the air at anybody let alone a bunch of anonymous strangers. Everybody is on this board because they enjoy superhero movies so cut that out about people on the comic board sticking their nose in the air. If you ever really posted there you'd know that's not the case as people there enjoy superhero movies as well.

We're all fans of this character yes? so wtf is a "true fan". There are just preferences over what you like. This is the beauty of such a character in the first place. Also just curious have you actually read the aftermath of all those plot points? because you should the know the outcomes of the majority of them were fairly universally well received.

Even with Spider-Man despite the fact that the event that led to those outcomes in his case was hot garbage. If you gave them a chance and just weren't enjoying them on the other hand for technical reasons or something ok. However if you've never read them how do you know if you'd enjoy them or not?

I know plenty of people in real life that don't know anything about Batman besides movies and cartoons I don't think any less of them. We're all Batman fans that's the point of us all posting here in the first place. I'm just a fairly blunt person but geesh I didn't know people took this boards THAT seriously to read into everything like that.

Well maybe you should start practicing what you preach because a page ago you said:

"People who don't regularly read the comics shouldn't even bother trying to speak on what's good or bad about them. Robin is one of the good things BTW but since many on here don't read comic books it'd be a moot point to elaborate why."

"No offense but I associate people who regularly read Batman comics with people who actually do regularly discuss them in the comic book board of this section. I know many who only post on the movie boards here have read the go-to recommended by website stories like TLH, Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns and Year One but that's just casual reader friendly fare. Not really a great reflection at all of what Batman comic books are truly capable of nor a true reflection of all the great elements of the actual mythology."

"Which is why I commented on somebody trying to speak on what's good or bad about the COMICS when they clearly don't really mess with the comics regularly. Cause that's how misinformation is spread."

Based off these comments you:

1. Think you know the most about Batman then anyone else(very nose stuck in the air attitude)
2. Automatically assume anyone who doesn't like Robin doesn't read the comics(I've read thousands and thousands of Batman comics. I don't hate Robin, but I wouldn't really say I "Like" him either.)
3. You assume your idea that Robin is good for the comics is FACT. It is not. It is a matter of opinion. Great stories have been told without Robin.
4. Assume anyone who doesn't partake in the comics section doesn't read comics( I read comics, but I've told you my reasons why I don't use that board often. Not to mention I hardly ever post at Iron Man 2, yet I'm pumped for that, or that I never post in X-men, yet I've seen all 4 of them 4 or 5 times each).

Also, yes I have read all of the stories I complained about. I honestly don't find them that interesting. I have been disappointed with comics the last 5 or 6 years, but I've continued to read my favorite titles.