The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Abe Rush]

Glad to hear you're okay with it Capt'n.

 

[raybia]

Awww, the Hype is such a happy loving place!

 

[The Last Meatbag]

A 14 year old Robin would work, helping out with detective work, forensics, recon work, maybe even the batmobile for a get away...There's tons of uses for Robin...You see a fourteen year old kid, you don't think of a threat, wait until he kicks your knee in and his mentor floats down to finish the job..

 

[El Payaso]

I'm not going to bother arguing with someone who chooses to ignore the past twenty years of Robin stories, and who wants to cut out an integral part of the Batman mythos. You obviously don't care about the truth of the matter--if you did, you would pick up any modern Batman comic and see how Robin can be done well by talented writers who understand the character and his importance to Batman. No, you'd rather be ignorant and bleat "OMG TEH ROBIN IS TEH CAMPY!" as if "Batman & Robin" is the definitive version of Dick Grayson.

Furthermore, you must think the Nolans to be pretty incompetent writers, if you think they can't concoct a workable version of Robin, as lowly comic book writers have been doing for years.

So this is you when you don't bother to argue.

Ok, I guess I shouldn't argue with people that ignores that Nolan and Bale are the ones not wanting to work with Robin and still insults people in here like we're guilty for that.

 

[Saint]

Ok, I guess I shouldn't argue with people that ignores that Nolan and Bale are the ones not wanting to work with Robin and still insults people in here like we're guilty for that.

Actually, what I'm insulting you for is suggesting that Robin "ruins" Batman.

 

[El Payaso]

I'm not suggesting, I'm denouncing.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well why don't we just get rid of Alfred and Gordon while we're at it? Batman doesn't really need to get Gordon to give him case files, he can just sneak into the station and get them himself. And Alfred? Batman really has no need for him. Bruce can answer doors, get himself food, etc.

what the feck does Robin bring to the batman character?

if anything he makes him look less scary to his opponents. its just cheesy.

 

[Saint]

Yeah, I wonder if maybe Batman's adopted sonmight be important to Batman? I wonder if the entire surrogate family theme that has been consistent in Batman for over sixty years might be important?

You know, I have to wonder if the people saying things like this even read comics. I can't fathom somebody picking up a Batman or Robin comic today and then saying such stupid, baseless things. Robin is the most important supporting character Batman has, period.

 

[raybia]

Yeah, I wonder if maybe Batman's adopted sonmight be important to Batman? I wonder if the entire surrogate family theme that has been consistent in Batman for over sixty years might be important?

You know, I have to wonder if the people saying things like this even read comics. I can't fathom somebody picking up a Batman or Robin comic today and then saying such stupid, baseless things. Robin is the most important supporting character Batman has, period.

I agree with your comments. To simply exorcise Robin from Batman on film forever is not respecting the 60+ years of source material. A source material that Nolan is known to have respect for.

Does this means that Nolan is obligated to bring Dick Grayson or Robin into his series?

No.

Does it mean that he shouldn't do anything that would prevent the addition to the character in the future?

Yes

Does it mean that WB is obligated to bring Robin to the series in the future?

No. However they are obligated to try and make it work within the framework established in the new series.

With all of that said, I'm still not an avocate for Robin in this series...at least no time soon. Even though I do like the character. We all know that Batman did have a career for a time without Robin so I don't see the big deal having 3 or 4 movies with him solo.

I also think that Alfred is the most important supporting character that Batman has, and then Gordon. I would put Robin 3rd on my list.

 

[Fisher02]

Robin is okay in the comics, but add him into the movies, and you could mess up the whole franchine. Although Robin wasn't the reason bat-movies went downhill after Batman Returns.

It could have worked better, if it wasnt for the fact Batman Forever/ Batman & Robin were aimed for the customers, who want Happy Meal with toys.

If I were to introduce Robin into the franchine, I would skip the Robin part of his side-kickhood, and have a go with his Nightwing persona.

 

[raybia]

Robin is okay in the comics, but add him into the movies, and you could mess up the whole franchine. Although Robin wasn't the reason bat-movies went downhill after Batman Returns.

It could have worked better, if it wasnt for the fact Batman Forever/ Batman & Robin were aimed for the customers, who want Happy Meal with toys.

If I were to introduce Robin into the franchine, I would skip the Robin part of his side-kickhood, and have a go with his Nightwing persona.

Good points! Welcome to the Hype!

 

[JStorm]

I'm not frustrated at all. I'm just rude. Learn to deal.

Every member should read this quote before he or she signs up.

 

[COMPO]

Easy pal. One would say that capitalizing every word and being a Robin fan would make you a happy boy.

I'm not a robin fan. I just want to see a different take on the character. And that addy you have. Fits with you like a glove doesn't.

 

[COMPO]

hey, do you know how batman's cape turns into wings. What if robins turned into sort of bird wings. Like theres teh tail at the back and the wings.

 

[Saint]

Does this means that Nolan is obligated to bring Dick Grayson or Robin into his series?

No.

Agreed. As I have said in that past, I won't be terribly inconvenienced--annoyed, maybe--if he doesn't appear in Nolan's film. I just really hate this attitude that he's a "horrible character" or "can't be done."

 

[raybia]

Agreed. As I have said in that past, I won't be terribly inconvenienced--annoyed, maybe--if he doesn't appear in Nolan's film. I just really hate this attitude that he's a "horrible character" or "can't be done."

I hear you.

Previous stories have proven that Robin can be a horrible character depending on how he is written but the same can be said about Batman.

 

[Mike_D202]

I dont know why everybody is bashing the idea of Dick Grayson. Nolan could do a damn good job with the story if he wanted too. Bruce could see him as himself when he was a kid and try to work with Grayson to turn the anger and sadness into something else.

 

[JStorm]

I don't quite remember where this rumor orginated; but I do remember a post or thread about the new Batman series being like that of Bond. In other words, three films with one cast and crew, and then three more with another cast and crew. And so on.

With that said, I wouldn't mind a well cast, well written , well acted, well directed Robin. He, Robin, could appear in the last arc of the BB era, or show up in later films. I wouldn't mind the first three films to be a character study of Batman's first years, as it has been. Then have Robin show up at the end of the BB era, or at the beginning of the second triolgy. Hollywood and the WB have a goldmine on their hands. Three films for one cast and crew to say what they want to say, and then three others for another cast and crew to say what they want to say.

In short, I look at it like this: We get story arcs in the comics a la three issues, six issues, and/or twelve issues. The WB could break-up the movies like that idea.

Long story even longer, if done right, the WB could have a few great trilogies on their hands with a great side project cultivating within said trilogies to become a great movie unto itself: Nightwing.

 

[El Payaso]

I hear you.

Previous stories have proven that Robin can be a horrible character depending on how he is written but the same can be said about Batman.

But even the Adam West Batman was better than the Burt Ward Robin even when they were - IMO - very poorly written/directed.

I dont know why everybody is bashing the idea of Dick Grayson. Nolan could do a damn good job with the story if he wanted too. Bruce could see him as himself when he was a kid and try to work with Grayson to turn the anger and sadness into something else.

The thing is that Nolan stated he doesn't want to work with Robin. SO your first line should be 'I dont know why Nolan doesn't like the idea of Dick Grayson.'

And I surely wouldn't like to see Batman forgetting his inner demon and turning into a loving father and a new sweet sense of life and stuff that Batman is not supposed to be.

 

[raybia]

But even the Adam West Batman was better than the Burt Ward Robin even when they were - IMO - very poorly written/directed.

I was referring really about the comic book stories.

 

[El Payaso]

^ Ah, ok, but I took that to the filmic level I guess. Since that's Nolan's field.

 

[Saint]

And I surely wouldn't like to see Batman forgetting his inner demon and turning into a loving father and a new sweet sense of life and stuff that Batman is not supposed to be.

You clearly do not understand the dynamic between Batman and Robin.

 

[El Payaso]

I was just replying to a specific statement.

 

[Saint]

Oh, I didn't notice. Apologies.

 

[Eros]

You clearly do not understand the dynamic between Batman and Robin.

Whats to understand? Bruce gave a Nine year old orphan a home, and then he trained this said 9 year old to fight dangerous criminals rapists,muggers,drugdealers,ganglords,pedophiles, and lets not forget crazed clowns. Yep whats not to understand, Bruce is a maniac who uses kids on his crusade for justice. Even after his second "Robin" died, he stil decided to train yet another 12 on his crusade. Batman may possible be they dumbiest character in comics, next ot all the othe other heroes with teen sidekicks ofcourse [Green arrow,Flash etc]. No wonder why superman didn't respect him when they first met.