The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[StorminNorman]

Katsuro... one again, my comment was based off of StorminNorman's statement about Batman training Robin in order to eventually "seek revenge", which I think wasn't actually the case.

The fact was the Dick Grayson was sneaking out at night and confronting the people who killed his parents. If Bruce did nothing, then he was going to get himself hurt or killed. Since Bruce would have a real hard time convincing Robin to NOT seek vengence, justice, revenge - whatever you want to call it, he decided to show Dick that they are not unlike each other and decided to help him close that book in his life. In order for Dick to be able to do that, he had to be able to confront the man who killed his parents - that meant Dick would have to be trained.

 

[El Payaso]

Change what character? The only change I've suggested is that Robin only enter combat against Batman's will, which is mostly true in modern Batman history.

Batman doesn't want Robin to fight but he does anyways. I wonder how long can they be partners like they're supposed to be in such circumstances. If that will become the main plot of the next Batman movies I pass.

He has been a father since 1941, regardless of what you think. What you think is simply incorrect. He has had two adopted children (Dick and Tim; I don't believe he ever legally adopted Jason). He has been the father and caretaker of children through his entire career. The theme of the surrogate family Batman has built for himself has been consistent for over sixty years. If you think otherwise, you are simply ignoring the source material.

If anyone is suggesting "radical changes," it's you. You want to remove defining aspects of Batman, and that's stupid.

The only defense for Robin seems to be the amount of time he's been there. Communism lasted for like 70 years. I say just extirp what doesn't work in Nolan's serious tone.

 

[Katsuro]

I say just extirp what doesn't work in Nolan's serious tone.

And I say that doesn't include Robin.

 

[El Payaso]

He thinks otherwise. They're even toning down the Joker, I don't see them having a red -suit teen character in there.

 

[Abe Rush]

It has to be more than that. It has to be convincing Robin that he doesn't need or want revenge. That he should turn his outrage towards a positive and constructive goal like building a better future. Protecting the innocent, standing up for justice and decency and all of that.

So, in other words he's telling a 13 years old not to go on the "dark path of revenge", but instead he gives him the "tools" to fight and encourages him to go out at night to make his own justice, by beating and/or capturing, for example: thieves, killers, mobster, etc.

... Batman is such a responsible adult!

The fact was the Dick Grayson was sneaking out at night and confronting the people who killed his parents. If Bruce did nothing, then he was going to get himself hurt or killed. Since Bruce would have a real hard time convincing Robin to NOT seek vengence, justice, revenge - whatever you want to call it, he decided to show Dick that they are not unlike each other and decided to help him close that book in his life. In order for Dick to be able to do that, he had to be able to confront the man who killed his parents - that meant Dick would have to be trained.

So Bruce saw that he couldn't stop Dick from trying to seek "revenge" upon the people who killed his parents, so he figured he might as well teach him how to beat people up so that he could channel that anger into a more meaningful way or rather in a more "damaging" way? I mean, clearly there was nothing else to do... the kid REALLY wanted to beat those bastards... might as well make sure he does it properly!

 

[Saint]

Batman doesn't want Robin to fight but he does anyways. I wonder how long can they be partners like they're supposed to be in such circumstances. If that will become the main plot of the next Batman movies I pass.



The only defense for Robin seems to be the amount of time he's been there. Communism lasted for like 70 years. I say just extirp what doesn't work in Nolan's serious tone.

You understand nothing. You should probably try reading some Robin books before you ramble on stupidly about how he should or shouldn't be adapted.

 

[COMPO]

You understand nothing. You should probably try reading some Robin books before you ramble on stupidly about how he should or shouldn't be adapted.

Yeah, i mean batman has been adapted hundreds of times, to dark, camp, dark. So why not robin?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Honestly, the only way I see Robin working on film is more or less like in All Star. Batman is obsessed with his mission to the point where he recruits this kid. Obviously he'd never recruit a kid who's life hadn't already been ruined, but Dick is gifted enough and in the right personal situation, that being Robin can only help things.

 

[COMPO]

yeah, that is the only way he'll do it.

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, i mean batman has been adapted hundreds of times, to dark, camp, dark. So why not robin?

Because the camp field was already used.

 

[COMPO]

i meant if batman can be adapted, so can robin.

 

[mystory64]

Has anybody even read Paul Pope's Batman year 100?

THAT is how you adapt Robin into the mythos, go read it.


Now.

 

[Ronny Shade]

That book is pure 100000% genius.

 

[Eros]

Seems to me like you just don't like the comic book version of Batman.

Furthermore, your point that Batman puts these kids in danger is grossly incorrect. Batman allows them to become Robin so he can keep them in a controlled environment under his supervision. Otherwise, they would be out on the street in danger without Batman to watch out for them, without the training they need, and without the tools to keep them alive.

gang owned clubs,drug alleys, and crime scenes is not a "controlled enviroment". batman is an idiot for bringing kids to these places, not matter how many weeks of training he gives them. Oh and i love comic book batman, i just think he has done some stupid ****.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I'm sick of this "controlled environment" argument.

There is nothing controlled about the crime-fighting environment. Batman knows it only takes one bullet to end you career and your life. That's why he has Robin.

 

[Eros]

I'm sick of this "controlled environment" argument.

There is nothing controlled about the crime-fighting environment. Batman knows it only takes one bullet to end you career and your life. That's why he has Robin.

^ yes so he can end Robins life first and not his, aka Jason Todd.

 

[Ronny Shade]

So Batman can live on after he dies.

The world nees a batman.

 

[Two-Face]

Batman should do what Ra's Al Ghul does...

 

[Ronny Shade]

They should toy with that concept. I think it'd bring an excellent moral dillemma to Batman's character

 

[Saint]

I'm sick of this "controlled environment" argument.

There is nothing controlled about the crime-fighting environment. Batman knows it only takes one bullet to end you career and your life. That's why he has Robin.

You--like Eros--miss the point. The options were for Batman to allow these kids to go out on their own and get themselves killed, or take them in, train them, and give them the tools to keep themselves alive. They were going to go out and do these things whether he liked it or not; the only thing Batman could do was assert some control on the situation and do his best to keep them alive.

Understand, there was no "they stay at home and be like normal children" option. They were going to put themselves in danger no matter what.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Dick Grayson is too important to Batman's evolution as a character not to be brought in.

 

[Eros]

You--like Eros--miss the point. The options were for Batman to allow these kids to go out on their own and get themselves killed, or take them in, train them, and give them the tools to keep themselves alive. They were going to go out and do these things whether he liked it or not; the only thing Batman could do was assert some control on the situation and do his best to keep them alive.

Understand, there was no "they stay at home and be like normal children" option. They were going to put themselves in danger no matter what.

Ever time you post we all grow alittle dumber. Thier is no excuse for dressing kids up and allowing them to fight crime buy your side. I hope you never have kids, because with your mentality you would teach troubled little kids how to use guns,knives,explosives,cocaine, etc so that they are experienced and dun go out and get themselves killed.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

the only problem with Robin is that Joker's crowbar didn't work.

 

[Abe Rush]

You--like Eros--miss the point. The options were for Batman to allow these kids to go out on their own and get themselves killed, or take them in, train them, and give them the tools to keep themselves alive. They were going to go out and do these things whether he liked it or not; the only thing Batman could do was assert some control on the situation and do his best to keep them alive.

Understand, there was no "they stay at home and be like normal children" option. They were going to put themselves in danger no matter what.

The problem with what you're saying is that it's Bruce Wayne that decides to "take upon himself" Dick Grayson's troubles... he's the one that thinks he can't stop him from doing what he's doing and he's the one that decides to show him how to fight, instead of... I don't know... bringing him to the proper authorities, etc. If that's really how Batman thinks... he's not really all too well in his head.

 

[Ronny Shade]

nobody ever said batman was well in the head