The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

You typed all that.

Come on, it's easy to do! I've been exposed to this talk for years now.

Nice ****, um, avatar by the way.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

The first Batman 3 viral site should be for the Gotham Ornithology Society and the front page is littered with pictures of a very specific bird species.

The Internet will explode.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

The Internet will explode.

And thus, we'll all die. Well, our handles anyway.

 

[petey]

Seriously, what's wrong with robin. If something happend to me that was extremely horrible, I would try to help others in the same boat cope. If my path was one of anger and brooding, but I had another outlet. maybe i would allow another to join me if i felt it was the best for them.

Bruce sees this in Dick. Dick had lost his whole family because of a senseless crime. And he wanted to get revenge. But bruce couldn't very well let him run off and get himself killed. Especially when he knows that he could train him as an outlet of Dick's aggression. Bruce doesnt have to let him go out as robin. Just let him work off steam. Maybe Bruce realizes that even with a clear and level head this "kid" could be just like him. A partner in an escalating war.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

Seriously, what's wrong with robin. If something happend to me that was extremely horrible, I would try to help others in the same boat cope. If my path was one of anger and brooding, but I had another outlet. maybe i would allow another to join me if i felt it was the best for them.

Bruce sees this in Dick. Dick had lost his whole family because of a senseless crime. And he wanted to get revenge. But bruce couldn't very well let him run off and get himself killed. Especially when he knows that he could train him as an outlet of Dick's aggression. Bruce doesnt have to let him go out as robin. Just let him work off steam. Maybe Bruce realizes that even with a clear and level head this "kid" could be just like him. A partner in an escalating war.

"BUT BETMEN SAIS HE DON'T NEED ANY OF YO HELP TO BRAIN DOUGLESS, THUS NO PAWTNAS IN CRIME!"

I've seen that before too.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Bales career sucked back in the 90s,so Im guessing he did go up for Robin to boost it.

 

[petey]

If they played robin like on of those "batmen" I would be so pissed. he is a character in which bruce sees himself. so he becomes a father figure/mentor to Dick.

God I hate Brian Douglas. Was I the only one who thought his death was one of the few justifed within the film.

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

If they played robin like on of those "batmen" I would be so pissed. he is a character in which bruce sees himself. so he becomes a father figure/mentor to Dick.

God I hate Brian Douglas. Was I the only one who thought his death was one of the few justifed within the film.

Don't fool yourself, EVERYONE that died had a justifiable death.

Douglas (Fat, whimpering dog), Loeb (sucked as a commissioner since Begins), Rachel (ugly), the thugs (dumb ****s), Judge Surillo (stupid), Gamble (insulting and angry all the time) etc.

All of them except maybe Two-Face/Harvey Dent had it coming. Characters that should have died,

Gordon's son, Mayor Garcia, Rameriez, Reese and Stephens.

 

[skiddyboy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....Robin sucks balls.

 

[BestGirl]

Bales career sucked back in the 90s,so Im guessing he did go up for Robin to boost it.

I don't think he's lying when he says that was just an internet rumor.

 

[Brother Jack]

I don't think he's lying when he says that was just an internet rumor.

Yeah. Don't believe everything you read on IMDb, kids.

Although he probably would have been better than Chris O'Donnell.

 

[El Payaso]

Actually that would be a nice way for the persona of Wayne to mature, from the spoiled rich brat to the focused businessman-philanthropist that we see in other versions of Batman.

If he's so worried about maturing he should hang out the bat disguise and accept that people are killed sometimes.

If he's so worried about being a philantropist and children being orphan he should open an orphanage.

I am not sure i believe him.

Well, any sensible man would trust internet rumours over the source itself.

Because the Schumacher movies sucked and they made a scapegoat out of Robin when he was one of the best parts of Forever.

Dick Grayson and how he became Robin was one of the best things of Forever. Once he becomes Robin it's all "holy" jokes, being fooled easily and being a hostage so the villiains can do the old "what's your choice going to be" game.

But to be fair, Robin's concept sucked long before Forever.

Seriously, what's wrong with robin. If something happend to me that was extremely horrible, I would try to help others in the same boat cope. If my path was one of anger and brooding, but I had another outlet. maybe i would allow another to join me if i felt it was the best for them.

Bruce sees this in Dick. Dick had lost his whole family because of a senseless crime. And he wanted to get revenge. But bruce couldn't very well let him run off and get himself killed. Especially when he knows that he could train him as an outlet of Dick's aggression. Bruce doesnt have to let him go out as robin. Just let him work off steam. Maybe Bruce realizes that even with a clear and level head this "kid" could be just like him. A partner in an escalating war.

Yeah, well. Bruce has a abnormal life, unable to connect to others, unable to start a romance and love, risking his life every night, blaming himself for things he never did. Who wouldn't want that for an orphan child?

Any judge would give a bachelor who's famous for being a womanizer and burning his own mansion down an orphan kid instead of giving him to a decent family with a normal mum and dad.

Bales career sucked back in the 90s,so Im guessing he did go up for Robin to boost it.

No, he didn't:

http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebri...-play-robin/1/

 

[Mr. Earle]

If he's so worried about maturing he should hang out the bat disguise and accept that people are killed sometimes.

If he's so worried about being a philantropist and children being orphan he should open an orphanage.
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebri...-play-robin/1/

All i was saying is that in Year One we see Wayne the way Nolan portrays him. The spoiled rich playboy. Later the persona becomes a bit more serious, he takes more control of Wayne Ent, he does a lot of charity work, etc.
The state would never allow Wayne to adopt a kid if he is acting the way he is in the nolanverse. So that could be a nice way of Bruce making his public persona a bit more serious.

Well, any sensible man would trust internet rumours over the source itself.

Rumors are rumors, but i dont think that if they were true that Bale would admit screencasting for Robin.

Any judge would give a bachelor who's famous for being a womanizer and burning his own mansion down an orphan kid instead of giving him to a decent family with a normal mum and dad.

That's what i am saying!

 

[El Payaso]

All i was saying is that in Year One we see Wayne the way Nolan portrays him. The spoiled rich playboy. Later the persona becomes a bit more serious, he takes more control of Wayne Ent, he does a lot of charity work, etc.
The state would never allow Wayne to adopt a kid if he is acting the way he is in the nolanverse. So that could be a nice way of Bruce making his public persona a bit more serious.

Bruce's playboy persona is supposed to be that way to help him cover up he is Batman. Would he change that in order to become a father - something his bat-mission doesn't allow him to - and then let people see Batman next to child that's similiar to the one Wayne adopted?

Rumors are rumors, but i dont think that if they were true that Bale would admit screencasting for Robin.

Do you see Stallone denying that he was in a porn movie?

That's what i am saying!

And that's why the mere origin of Robin wouldn't work.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Bruce's playboy persona is supposed to be that way to help him cover up he is Batman. Would he change that in order to become a father - something his bat-mission doesn't allow him to - and then let people see Batman next to child that's similiar to the one Wayne adopted?

Because its comics. Its OK to have a kid sidekick (Batman isnt the only one who does it) and wearing a domino mask will totally disguise you.
You know we re talking about a guy who dresses like a bat and fights armed criminals without one bullet hitting him, right?

Do you see Stallone denying that he was in a porn movie?

Because everyone does what Stallone does? I just feel that Bale might be embarrassed to admit that he auditioned for the role, with Robin being a very misunderstood role and all.

And that's why the mere origin of Robin wouldn't work.

It works in the comics, why cant it work on film? Because of teh realisms?

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

Bruce's playboy persona is supposed to be that way to help him cover up he is Batman. Would he change that in order to become a father - something his bat-mission doesn't allow him to - and then let people see Batman next to child that's similiar to the one Wayne adopted?

So Batman/Bruce Wayne should fight crime during his time as Batman and be a hated, annoying playboy as Bruce Wayne for the rest of his life? That's boring. At first it's refreshing and great to see but each and every film? That will get repetitive.

What "bat-mission"? It constantly changes for Wayne. Before he just wanted to be a "symbol of hope" and hang up the cape and cowl once Harvey Dent came into the picture. He didn't want to do it forever.

It's been suggested many times that if Nolan did include the Dick Grayson character we shouldn't see the Robin persona until Grayson is older in his adult years.

People wouldn't suspect Bruce of being Batman if he took in an oprhan. Now if he did and a month later Batman has a kid side kick, then yeah, that's ridiculous.

Some of the comics got it right, Batman Forever got it right, and BTAS pulled it off terrifically. Why can't Nolan?

If he doesn't want to, that's fine. I prefer Batman as a loner. But people saying that the Grayson/Robin/Nightwing sucks, can't be done on film and shouldn't be are just downright ignorant. It's all opinions anyway.

I really don't care if he's done or not. I'd enjoy seeing how Nolan would tackle the concept and probably like it as much as Batman and the Joker. I'm not anti Robin like most because of BTAS. He's a decent and worthy character in Batman lore in my opinion. That said, I like the loner Batman too.

I just don't get these hardcore nut jobs on here.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Btw, since we re talking about Robin, if any of you guys are reading the comics, you should catch up with the "Batman & Robin" series. Damian is such a great character!

 

[GaiusBaltar]

Because its comics. Its OK to have a kid sidekick (Batman isnt the only one who does it) and wearing a domino mask will totally disguise you.

I'm sorry, but the Nolan films are fundamentally different from the comics in many ways. Are you suggesting Robin is completely valid in the comics but not in the nolanverse?

 

[Nightwing4499]

It would be great to have Dick Grayson in the film, but not Robin. Have Batman maybe starting to become more brutal after the loss of Racheal. And the tragedy of the grayson family bring him back. maybe introduce the robin costume at the end.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm sorry, but the Nolan films are fundamentally different from the comics in many ways. Are you suggesting Robin is completely valid in the comics but not in the nolanverse?

I am suggesting that he is the most important (alive) character in the franchise after Alfred and the Joker, so he should be valid everywhere. If Nolan doesnt want to use him and end his trilogy without him, then fine.
But if the continuity were to go on after Nolan, even if they keep the realism at this high level, they will have to bring in Robin at some point.

 

[El Payaso]

Because its comics. Its OK to have a kid sidekick (Batman isnt the only one who does it) and wearing a domino mask will totally disguise you.

It's not comics, it's movies. That's why Batman doesn't wear gray spandex.

You know we re talking about a guy who dresses like a bat and fights armed criminals without one bullet hitting him, right?

I know because he wears an armour that protects him from bullets. Might not be 100% realistic but it's far more plausible than the original comics concept.

Because everyone does what Stallone does? I just feel that Bale might be embarrassed to admit that he auditioned for the role, with Robin being a very misunderstood role and all.

I'm sure Stallone might be more embarrassed than Bale about admisions. The thing is both know that evidence is out there and if they deniy something there's always someone else out there willing to prove them wrong for 15 minutes of fame and money. Bale denied internet rumours year and a half ago and no one has proven him wrong.

It works in the comics, why cant it work on film? Because of teh realisms?

That and the fact that they're different media.


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So Batman/Bruce Wayne should fight crime during his time as Batman and be a hated, annoying playboy as Bruce Wayne for the rest of his life? That's boring. At first it's refreshing and great to see but each and every film? That will get repetitive.

Under that logic we could think that Bruce should quit as Batman because it might get repetitive.

But that's the way comics and now Nolan have decided to go. Personally I think that being a playboy persona makes you the center of the attention, with people and paparazzis around you which, for a guy who has to go out every night in a bat-costume, is highly inconvenient.

Now I haven't been a playboy but going out clubbing with different models every night... might sound repetitive but it's hardly boring.

What "bat-mission"? It constantly changes for Wayne. Before he just wanted to be a "symbol of hope" and hang up the cape and cowl once Harvey Dent came into the picture. He didn't want to do it forever.

And then he learns that he must go on because Batman is the hero Gotham needs.

It's been suggested many times that if Nolan did include the Dick Grayson character we shouldn't see the Robin persona until Grayson is older in his adult years.

God knows if this is true because I don't see how anyone can suggest things that Nolan would do when Nolan has stated that he's NOT doing it for sure.

People wouldn't suspect Bruce of being Batman if he took in an oprhan. Now if he did and a month later Batman has a kid side kick, then yeah, that's ridiculous.

People might get that Dicvk Grayson would grow up. Being Bruce a semi-celebrity I'm sure Dick would get headlines all the time with pictures, so it's not too crazy to assume that this new "sidekick" might be Dick.

Some of the comics got it right, Batman Forever got it right, and BTAS pulled it off terrifically. Why can't Nolan?

Because comics and movies are different media.

That said, Forever didn't get it "right," it got it decent. And Dick was showing up with Bruce all the time, it was publicly known that Bruce had "adopted" Dick, putting two and two together wouldn't be too hard. But yes, Schumacher's amount of camp provided a good context for such a character as Robin.

If he doesn't want to, that's fine. I prefer Batman as a loner. But people saying that the Grayson/Robin/Nightwing sucks, can't be done on film and shouldn't be are just downright ignorant. It's all opinions anyway.

I really don't care if he's done or not. I'd enjoy seeing how Nolan would tackle the concept and probably like it as much as Batman and the Joker. I'm not anti Robin like most because of BTAS. He's a decent and worthy character in Batman lore in my opinion. That said, I like the loner Batman too.

I also admit that animation, just as comics, is a media where Robin might work.

I just don't get these hardcore nut jobs on here.

Then how can you get Batman?

 

[H.A.R.D.A.C.]

You're missing something though, this is a movie. You're trying to add realism to your reasoning saying how Robin wouldn't work yet you don't add it to Nolan's current Batman.

1.) Batman didn't kill any of Ras Al Ghul's men in Gotham, they all know his identity. Why don't they come forward?

2.) If this whole "Batman" thing was a reality, Batman would be dead. PERIOD. If he didn't die from crime fighting people would figure out that the richest man was the vigilante known for all of his technology. That would end things pretty quick.

3.) Bruce is always the center of attention? How come no one noticed his convo with Ras, especially the guest that introduces him?

4.) After Batman finds out that Joker has kidnapped Dent AND Dawes how come Gordon and none of the other officers question why Batman would care so much after not losing it for Dent? He loses his cool on the mention of Rachel AND messes up when Gordon asks who is he going after.

"RACHEL."

Not Ms. Dawes?

The point is, you could have this "realistic" reasoning for Robin also, just like we do for Batman, Joker, Alfred, Scarecrow, etc.

Admit that you just don't like the character, because it's evident you don't. There's is NOTHING wrong with that. I'm not to eager to have him in films either, but saying it would be lame to have the character in it or that he wouldn't work is an ignorant thing to say.

A simple "I don't like the character of Robin and don't want to see him in future Batman films" would suffice.

Going by your logic against Robin, Batman wouldn't last a day in the "real world". It's not the real world though, it's ****ing fiction. But hell we still like it.

I love Batman, Joker, Robin, Two-Face, Riddler, Penguin, Clayface, Croc, almost all of them. We've seen dark, light, campy, violent, and serious interpretations of all of them.

Saying it "just wouldn't work" when it hasn't been done is nonsense. It could be very emotional, tragic, and exciting seeing Robin done in a real and serious way, bad character or not.

Did everyone give up hope on a serious, "realistic" Batman after Batman and Robin? No. Look what we got. Why should Robin or ATLEAST Dick Grayson be any different?

 

[Mr. Earle]

I know because he wears an armour that protects him from bullets. Might not be 100% realistic but it's far more plausible than the original comics concept.

In the comics Batman's suit has kevlar lining so it protects him from bullets. Recently [BLACKOUT]Jason Todd shot Dick (who is currently Batman) point blank to the chest and it only messed up the suit's outer layer. But it hurt like hell and that's why he did it.
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I'm sure Stallone might be more embarrassed than Bale about admisions. The thing is both know that evidence is out there and if they deniy something there's always someone else out there willing to prove them wrong for 15 minutes of fame and money. Bale denied internet rumours year and a half ago and no one has proven him wrong.

Why do we waste time on this matter? Who cares if he did or didnt audition?

That and the fact that they're different media.

You have a point, but i dont think it should apply on Robin. He is very important to the mythos, he is Batman's heir after all, and he should be introduced at some point.

People might get that Dicvk Grayson would grow up. Being Bruce a semi-celebrity I'm sure Dick would get headlines all the time with pictures, so it's not too crazy to assume that this new "sidekick" might be Dick.

People should already have guessed that Bruce might be Batman. Vicky Vale recently figured it out by putting the pieces together. Bruce's body was full of scars and "polo" didnt seem like a truthful explanation. Then she noticed Tim with wounds on his face and she thought that he cant be playing polo as well. The point is that she figured it out, but not because its the realistic thing to do, but because the writers wanted her to.
So no matter how lame the disguise or the excuses that Bruce gives, its always down to the writers and what they want to do. I mean, putting on glasses or wearing a domino mask wouldnt fly in real life, so treat this franchise for what it is: A comic book franchise.

 

[Mr. Earle]

AND messes up when Gordon asks who is he going after.

"RACHEL."

Not Ms. Dawes?

That always bothered me.

I love Batman, Joker, Robin, Two-Face, Riddler, Penguin, Clayface, Croc, almost all of them. We've seen dark, light, campy, violent, and serious interpretations of all of them.

Saying it "just wouldn't work" when it hasn't been done is nonsense. It could be very emotional, tragic, and exciting seeing Robin done in a real and serious way, bad character or not.

Did everyone give up hope on a serious, "realistic" Batman after Batman and Robin? No. Look what we got. Why should Robin or ATLEAST Dick Grayson be any different?

Great points there!

 

[CaptainClown]

I think what many of the supporters as well as the opponents of robin are confusing realism with suspension of belief. Sources for how Robin have been adapted properly such as TAS or other comics are all a very different medium then film.

Film right off the bat is 'realistic' not in the sense of plot or story, but however the idea they are played by real people. The characters are not drawn to fit who they are playing, they are actors cast best to fit the character. Now while some people are capable of suspending their beliefs when seeing a character playing and portrayed very accurately to the comics (Batman: Dead End) There are those same people who would find it ridiculous. Now comic accurate movies like Watchmen even still had its transitions to screen, but again it was a different style of movie all together, in which the ideas of the comic are more accepting on the screen. Let's use an example of Gotham Central. It is a comic where Batman is not the lead, but a background element. Now it works great in the comics... would it work well in a film? Probably not, especially if its advertised as a Batman movie. So the lesson we shoudl take out of this is "because it works in the comics (or other mediums) it doesn't mean it can work on screen)

However, context is one of the biggest keys in 1. accepting more far-fetched ideas 2. including different parts of canon apart of the story. One of the greatest selling points of the Nolan franchise has been that it is 'grounded'. It is not quite realistic, however it is not quite in the face about its outlandish ideas. It should be noted that the Nolan series is NOT realistic. So to use realism as a reason to not include something should be thrown right out. The same with, if it works in the comics/tas it could work in the movie. That is an entirely different medium and while it can be adapted, should not be a source/reason to why it should be included or why it could work.

Now as a story, I do not see Bruce adopting or including anybody else into his life. The character has experienced a great loss, with Harvey and Rachel. To which it would seem to be his own guilt. A natural course of action I could see is him distancing himself from any sort of relationship endangering anyone's lives with his mission. I believe it would be a better opportunity to show the relationship with Selina Kyle if anything.