The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[Mr. Earle]

Even in captain america they made his sidekick like the same as age as cap. Do any of you want to see another chris O'Donnell situation where a man in his mid twenties is adopted by bruce wayne...

Was Bucky originally a kid sidekick? In any case its WWII, it wouldnt make a lick of sense if Cap had a kid sidekick. Not that it makes more sense for Batman, but at least its not WWII you know?

I don't want a situation where Bruce adopts anything but maybe a cat.

Bruce is a dog person. He has a dog, Ace the bat-hound.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Was Bucky originally a kid sidekick? In any case its WWII, it wouldnt make a lick of sense if Cap had a kid sidekick. Not that it makes more sense for Batman, but at least its not WWII you know?
Bruce is a dog person. He has a dog, Ace the bat-hound.

For everyone i'm referring to the new captain america movie. Bucky caps sidekick in the comics was originally a kid but for the upcoming movie the actor cast to play him is only a few years younger than chris evans.

He was 17 and Robin worked for that film.

I understand that Nolan doesn't want Robin, but I have no doubt that if he wanted Robin, Nolan could definitely make it work. There isn't absolutely no way they could incorporate Robin.

And its not like Robin will never be another Batman film again. It inevitable that Dick Grayson gets put in another Batman film.

Being played by a 24 year old who looked more like a younger brother to bruce than an adopted son.

 

[Victarion]

I think eventually Robin or a Robinesque character will be needed. For now, Batman and Bruce Wayne have plenty to deal with in light of TDK. I do have some ideas on introducing Robin:

--An enemy corporation to Wayne Enterprises gains access to blue-prints for some old military tech. They leak it to a trusted member of the Underworld in hopes of implicating Wayne Enterprises as a supporter of organized crime.

--A young man in the Narrows--20 or so--has joined one of the dominant gangs in order to survive. He joined young, and worked his way into the good graces of the gang leader. He hates what he does, but rationalizes it as a necessity of survival. He gains access to the technology and turns on the leaders of the gang. He murders them.

--Batman winds up investigating the deaths and learns of the new vigilante. Batman decides not to turn him in to the GPD. He sees the young man as a potential ally. So Batman mentors him, playing a role similar to that of Ra's. I'd like to see Batman use a variation of the fear gas, or some psychological techniques to discourage the vigilante from killing.

This would work best once the freaks have really started emerging. Roman Sionis aka Black Mask would be the best candidate for the business man who leaks the stolen Wayne Enterprises tech.

I don't know much about Robin beyond the Dark Victory origin; this may well be closer to one of the Nightwing characters...but its a more plausible origin. I have a hard time accepting that Batman as he has been written would take in a kid, let alone train him as an apprentice. A former gang member though, rehabilitated, is something I could see happening though.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Or you know... Dick Grayson is a 14-15 year old circus acrobat whose parents die and Bruce adopts him. His agility and speed coupled with Bruce's teachings make him a competent sidekick who mostly assists Batman (sets traps, throws batarangs, etc) rather than takes thugs on his own. He often gets his ass kicked (just look at how often it happens to Damian these days) but Batman is always there to get him out of trouble.

 

[Victarion]

My problem with that is I have a hard time accepting that Bruce would train him at that age. I do think that you could have a really good scene in Dick tracking down the ones responsible for his parent's death and murdering them, as in Dark Victory, and learning that the pain of his loss doesn't necessarily go away so easily.

I would stick with my idea, but if a writer could make the 14-15 year old origin work that would be fine too.

 

[Droogoonie789]

My problem with that is I have a hard time accepting that Bruce would train him at that age. I do think that you could have a really good scene in Dick tracking down the ones responsible for his parent's death and murdering them, as in Dark Victory, and learning that the pain of his loss doesn't necessarily go away so easily.

I would stick with my idea, but if a writer could make the 14-15 year old origin work that would be fine too.

Mr. Wooden Alligator, when I read your screen name, I heard "CROCODILE C**K!!" in my head. XD

I think at first having Dick start his own vigilante/revenge spree would work, and then once Bruce realizes what's happening he starts the training. To steer him in the right direction, yknow?

 

[Mr. Earle]

I would go about it in a Batman Forever/The Batman way (i dont remember how it went in the comics). Dick finds out that Bruce is Batman, asks to be trained, Bruce refuses and gives him a speech like "the pain wont go away", Dick leaves him and starts searching on his own. Bruce realises that he cant stop him, so he might as well train him.

And there is a reason Dick is a circus acrobat. Ok circus =/= ninja, but it equals training, agility, endurance, street smarts, etc and this is why they choose that origin for him in the first place. He can easily outmaneuvre anyone and with some training from Bruce he can also do some damage.

 

[Two-Face]

Not with Nolan's Batman he ain't.

 

[GL1]

If you trained for 7 years to be what you are, and you want someone to be able to take over for you, or assist you when they turn 18, then you have to start training them at 11 or 12.

That said, Robin, even the assistant Robin that would make sense in most comics movie universes, doesn't fit in the uber-gritty crime drama of TDK, and probably post-TDK. TDK is not a superhero movie at all. Batman is basically a Special Forces Ninja that contracts law enforcement to Gotham PD.

Batman doesn't work alone, especially in Nolan's films. He holds regular meetings, practically.

Nightwing doesn't work in this context at all either, because Nightwing, as a character, requires context to be relevant that does not exist.

Best move: Let new director bring in a down to earth realistic Robin on the next trilogy.

 

[Gianakin_]

Now that Batman's a fugitive, it's dangerous to even meet with Gordon, let alone adopt, train and put an orphan in the line of fire. I don't think we'll see Nolan's version of Robin, especially now.

Except if he jumps a few years ahead (or plays a trick like that) in BB3. Then we can talk about it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If you trained for 7 years to be what you are, and you want someone to be able to take over for you, or assist you when they turn 18, then you have to start training them at 11 or 12.

Why would he need all those years to train? If he is limited to supporting Batman from behind/above at first, then he needs a year at most. After more years of training he will be ready to engage the enemies.

TDK is not a superhero movie at all. Batman is basically a Special Forces Ninja that contracts law enforcement to Gotham PD.

I agree with this.

 

[GL1]

I think eventually Robin or a Robinesque character will be needed. For now, Batman and Bruce Wayne have plenty to deal with in light of TDK. I do have some ideas on introducing Robin:

--An enemy corporation to Wayne Enterprises gains access to blue-prints for some old military tech. They leak it to a trusted member of the Underworld in hopes of implicating Wayne Enterprises as a supporter of organized crime.

--A young man in the Narrows--20 or so--has joined one of the dominant gangs in order to survive. He joined young, and worked his way into the good graces of the gang leader. He hates what he does, but rationalizes it as a necessity of survival. He gains access to the technology and turns on the leaders of the gang. He murders them.

--Batman winds up investigating the deaths and learns of the new vigilante. Batman decides not to turn him in to the GPD. He sees the young man as a potential ally. So Batman mentors him, playing a role similar to that of Ra's. I'd like to see Batman use a variation of the fear gas, or some psychological techniques to discourage the vigilante from killing.

This would work best once the freaks have really started emerging. Roman Sionis aka Black Mask would be the best candidate for the business man who leaks the stolen Wayne Enterprises tech.

I don't know much about Robin beyond the Dark Victory origin; this may well be closer to one of the Nightwing characters...but its a more plausible origin. I have a hard time accepting that Batman as he has been written would take in a kid, let alone train him as an apprentice. A former gang member though, rehabilitated, is something I could see happening though.

That's an interesting thought. I have two objections:
1) Why would Batman trust an ex-gang member with his secret?
2) How is this character inspired by Robin, beyond being younger than Batman and male?

Now that Batman's a fugitive, it's dangerous to even meet with Gordon, let alone adopt, train and put an orphan in the line of fire. I don't think we'll see Nolan's version of Robin, especially now.

Except if he jumps a few years ahead (or plays a trick like that) in BB3. Then we can talk about it.

I think people who love these characters will talk about it regardless of how 'soon' its coming. Also... what's the danger, specifically with adopt and training such a kid? And what happens if that's the safest place for the kid at the time? Wouldn't that make it the right thing to do then?

Why would he need all those years to train? If he is limited to supporting Batman from behind/above at first, then he needs a year at most. After more years of training he will be ready to engage the enemies.

Well, let's imagine we have a 12 year old Dick Grayson, on par with the greatest acrobats in the world in skill. His parents die and, lets say, everyone in Gotham is out to kill him, and the safest place to hide is the Batcave. If he goes out, that night, he will have the following issues:

• He will not be familiar, at all, with suitable stealth techniques
• He will not be familiar, at all, with grappling and rappelling equipment
• He will not have a suit his size to protect him or anchor him for grapeling, neither will any of Bruce's contacts make armor for a child, and then again in 6-8 months when he outgrows it.
• He will not be acutely familiar with Gotham's landscape and layout
• He will not intuitively discern the best paths to go unseen
• He will not have a rational trained fight/flight reaction in the face of obstacles
• He will not know how to avoid gunfire
• He will not know how to avoid all forms of electronic security
• He will not know how to apply any of Batman's helpful technology
• He will not know, intuitively how Batman operates, and be constantly asking questions, or worse, not
• He will have no idea how he fits into the scheme of things, and will thus make conflicting decisions about what to do next
• I could go on... but he just doesn't know.
• He will not be of an age or experience level where a request to go out and risk his life can be viewed as credible by a rational person.
• He will not be of an age or skill level where taking him out to risk his life can be viewed as responsible by a rational person.
• He will not reach the standard of excellence that Bruce Wayne demands from everything and everyone.
• He will not be, by any means, emotionally stable, and thus, not dependable.

Batman does and knows a lot, and to believe that anyone can do this, even with years of Special Ops and Ninja training as a world traveler is PUSHING it. To say that a child can do any of it inside a year is just plain ridiculous. Hit Girl was ridiculous... but the whole movie was, so it made sense, it was fun and cool and we suspended our disbelief.

Nolan's Batman leaves little room for suspension of disbelief. There's no room for someone to have their Fridge Logic moment and say 'wait a minute... how'd he learn to do all that so fast.'

So when you take a kid, having world-class acrobatic ability is the only way it even seems remotely possible for this guy to do what Batman does before he's 30. At the very least, just to go out and 'shadow' Batman, he needs to have some sort of insurance that, say, if the GCPD descends upon them that Robin could retreat undetected and safely.

Robin would have to master:
- Stealth, including multiple arts of ninjitsu. Since Robin has no combat skills, this would take him significantly longer, even though the physical aspects off it would come naturally the mental aspects represent a paradigm shift in Dick's mind from a showy performer to a silent killer.
- Rappelling and Grappling and general mountain climbing practices. What Batman does is the equivalent of an Expert or Master climb. If the kid can't do that (and few people can) safely and quickly, he can't go out.
- Black Ops. He'd have to know all the electronic systems that he needs to avoid, on rooftops, on walls, in rooms, on doors, in the air, on street corners. He'd need to know how to break them down, set them up, diffuse and redirect them.
- Batman's method of operation. He'd have to be able to go into the field without asking questions. When things go wrong, Robin would just have to act from the plan. As you'll notice, in Batman's line of work, there is no time for lessons and take-aways as there are in comics.

I figure that takes 2-3 years, especially if Bruce has not decided to usurp the man's life, which brings me to my next point. Bruce is not going to see a need for a partner. He has non-costumed resources, but he really doesn't trust many people. Even if Robin is forced upon him in a way, a protege of Bruce, an acknowledgment of the future, would be an acknowledgment of his mortality. I can see TDK Bruce training a replacement for the future, perhaps one that does go off the handle and end up lending a hand at a crucial moment, or gets used as a gopher/messenger/eyes on the ground, but I just can't see Bruce training a partner.

 

[Gianakin_]

I think people who love these characters will talk about it regardless of how 'soon' its coming.

Agreed. I'm just stating the reasons why we won't see him in ths particular franchise.

Also... what's the danger, specifically with adopt and training such a kid? And what happens if that's the safest place for the kid at the time? Wouldn't that make it the right thing to do then?

I'll rephrase. Right now Batman has plenty of things to deal with. Coming fresh out of an adventure where fake Batmen died in (or because of) his name, the last thing on his mind is to have a themed/masked ally/partner. And let's not forget the fact that he's been Batman for about 6 months in TDK and we don't know how much time will have passed between TDK and B3. If the time gap between TDK and B3 is 6 months to a year, I think it's still early.

 

[GL1]

Agreed. I'm just stating the reasons why we won't see him in ths particular franchise.



I'll rephrase. Right now Batman has plenty of things to deal with. Coming fresh out of an adventure where fake Batmen died in (or because of) his name, the last thing on his mind is to have a themed/masked ally/partner. And let's not forget the fact that he's been Batman for about 6 months in TDK and we don't know how much time will have passed between TDK and B3. If the time gap between TDK and B3 is 6 months to a year, I think it's still early.

Good point on the timetable. I don't think that's how Bruce would see Grayson, if the plot was such that Bruce would realistically adopt him. Bruce would take Grayson as a potential replacement if Grayson had no other viable options, but that's a development that takes time, I think, and it wouldn't be Bruce's first thought, either. I think taking in Grayson could be an interesting capstone to the trilogy, once things are resolved.

 

[Gianakin_]

Once things are resolved being the key-phrase here. I agree with that.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well, let's imagine we have a 12 year old Dick Grayson, on par with the greatest acrobats in the world in skill. His parents die and, lets say, everyone in Gotham is out to kill him, and the safest place to hide is the Batcave. If he goes out, that night, he will have the following issues:

• He will not be familiar, at all, with suitable stealth techniques
• He will not be familiar, at all, with grappling and rappelling equipment
• He will not have a suit his size to protect him or anchor him for grapeling, neither will any of Bruce's contacts make armor for a child, and then again in 6-8 months when he outgrows it.
• He will not be acutely familiar with Gotham's landscape and layout
• He will not intuitively discern the best paths to go unseen
• He will not have a rational trained fight/flight reaction in the face of obstacles
• He will not know how to avoid gunfire
• He will not know how to avoid all forms of electronic security
• He will not know how to apply any of Batman's helpful technology
• He will not know, intuitively how Batman operates, and be constantly asking questions, or worse, not
• He will have no idea how he fits into the scheme of things, and will thus make conflicting decisions about what to do next
• I could go on... but he just doesn't know.
• He will not be of an age or experience level where a request to go out and risk his life can be viewed as credible by a rational person.
• He will not be of an age or skill level where taking him out to risk his life can be viewed as responsible by a rational person.
• He will not reach the standard of excellence that Bruce Wayne demands from everything and everyone.
• He will not be, by any means, emotionally stable, and thus, not dependable.

In a few months he could master some of those skills and be ready to follow batman in the field. If the film that Robin is introduced spans a year in Batman's life, then Robin could have the necessary training before he gets out of the cave. I just dont want to waste 10 films with Dick training in the cave before he eventually becomes Robin.

Anyway, its a comic book movie. Even if his suit didnt crack, Stark should have turned into ketchup inside his suit with all those hits and explosions he's taking (ex: getting shot down in Afganistan before he takes out that tank).

Nolan's Batman leaves little room for suspension of disbelief. There's no room for someone to have their Fridge Logic moment and say 'wait a minute... how'd he learn to do all that so fast.'

I agree with this.

So when you take a kid, having world-class acrobatic ability is the only way it even seems remotely possible for this guy to do what Batman does before he's 30.

Batman isnt realistic anyway, so dont use any logic in this. Robin is a trainee, not equal to Batman.

 

[GL1]

In a few months he could master some of those skills and be ready to follow batman in the field. If the film that Robin is introduced spans a year in Batman's life, then Robin could have the necessary training before he gets out of the cave. I just dont want to waste 10 films with Dick training in the cave before he eventually becomes Robin.

I think he could be familiar with some of those skills, I don't think he could master them to the point where he has automatic correct response in a quick life or death situation. It takes people years to master one of those, even training daily. Like I said, it took Bruce 7 years, he had more experience, but was not as gifted and had no personal trainer. It will probably take Dick a similar amount of time, if we are trying to be consistent.

Anyway, its a comic book movie. Even if his suit didnt crack, Stark should have turned into ketchup inside his suit with all those hits and explosions he's taking (ex: getting shot down in Afganistan before he takes out that tank).

Batman isnt realistic anyway, so dont use any logic in this. Robin is a trainee, not equal to Batman.

Well, y'know, BB and TDK aren't really comic book movies in the sense of breaking realism. I find myself at a loss to point out a single time when physics was broken in the Nolan films like it is in every other comic book film I know. Nolan doesn't throw realism out the door when it gets in the way of fun, but relishes it and uses it for gravitas or whatever.

And Robin doesn't need realism and consistency thrown out in order to work either. Introduce him as 12 in one movie, by the time the next movie rolls around he will be 2-3 years older and have 2-3 years of training under his belt. Enough to conceivably go out and shadow Batman, even though he's only 14-15, he's a ninja at that point, or at least a junior ninja, so it makes sense. It still wouldn't make any sense for him to be able to scare anyone, or to outfight groups of men with dramatically more fighting experience than him, but he could shadow batman, be a gopher, deliver messages, stake out places, etc.

The next movie, 2-3 years later we have a 16-18 year old Robin would be just about full blown, and would go out early anyway, cuz that's how he rolls.

No movie, even a Romantic Comedy, is actually "realistic," they all require a suspension of disbelief, but if a movie franchise sets a certain level, it's not a good idea to suddenly ratchet up that level just because some OTHER franchise does.

 

[dusk20]

About 10 years ago I wrote a Batman Fanfic basing it in a more real world setting, much like Batman Begins did. Anyway, I wrote a description for an introduction to the robin character. You see I've always hated robin because why would Batman allow a child to be put in harms way.

The way I wrote it, was that Barbara Gordon, Jim's daughter, was dating a teenage boy (16 years old) whose family was part of a travelling circus. The boy is Dick Grayson and his family has just returned to Gotham with the circus. They are the Flying Grayson's. Barbara and Dick have been dating for 9 months and this Dick Grayson is a very hot headed young man who shows amazing fighting skills while at the same he attends with Barbara.

When a small local mob inforcer tries to pressure the circus owner into protection money, Dick Grayson overhears the threat but disregards it as a silly attempt to get some money. Before that fateful night which will forever change Dick's night, he has an argument with his parents over the fact they will be leaving Gotham within a few days to move on.

After speaking with Barbara about this and wishing he never had to leave, Dick is horrified when his wish comes true in the form of his parents falling to their death. Dick wakes up in hospital soon after where Jim Gordon informs Dick that he broke his arm falling from the high wire, however all costs are being covered by Bruce Wayne who witnessed the events.

From here, Dick would be staying with Jim Gordon as he recovers and Batman keeps an eye on him feeling that he in turn needs to be guided much the same way as he needed when he lost his parents. With his arm fully recovered, Dick sets out night after night in search of Batman hoping that he can find his parents killer.

When Dick finds himself in serious trouble one night, Batman arrives to save him. With the police sirens approaching, Batman tells Dick to be more careful next time, and Dick says that he just needs to training. The police arrive and both are gone. Batman says that what he does isn't just some game or for thrill seekers, but Dick stops him saying that whoever killed his parents needs to pay.


Anyway, that is pretty much what i wrote as a description for introducing the Robin/Dick character in my story.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think he could be familiar with some of those skills, I don't think he could master them to the point where he has automatic correct response in a quick life or death situation. It takes people years to master one of those, even training daily. Like I said, it took Bruce 7 years, he had more experience, but was not as gifted and had no personal trainer. It will probably take Dick a similar amount of time, if we are trying to be consistent.

As i said before, Dick wont be engaging thugs until he gets some proper training. He'll only be Batman's support in the field. But besides that, no he doesnt need a lifetime of training because his circus training and street smarts make up for it. Its a comic book movie and it should have a comic book logic. Did you ever wonder how did Rhodey get out of the Mark II when he stole it?

Well, y'know, BB and TDK aren't really comic book movies in the sense of breaking realism. I find myself at a loss to point out a single time when physics was broken in the Nolan films like it is in every other comic book film I know. Nolan doesn't throw realism out the door when it gets in the way of fun, but relishes it and uses it for gravitas or whatever.

I agree with you that Robin would be harder to do in Nolan's world. Its a bit weird how Batman has a batmobile that flies on rooftops, how he and Rachel fall hard on a taxi and still live, etc but other comic book elements dont seem to fit.

And Robin doesn't need realism and consistency thrown out in order to work either. Introduce him as 12 in one movie, by the time the next movie rolls around he will be 2-3 years older and have 2-3 years of training under his belt. Enough to conceivably go out and shadow Batman, even though he's only 14-15, he's a ninja at that point, or at least a junior ninja, so it makes sense. It still wouldn't make any sense for him to be able to scare anyone, or to outfight groups of men with dramatically more fighting experience than him, but he could shadow batman, be a gopher, deliver messages, stake out places, etc.

You are right but on the other hand that ages Batman too much. You might have noticed but while all the Robins age, Bruce seems to stay in about the same age. I'd definitely speed forward Dick's training.

About 10 years ago I wrote a Batman Fanfic basing it in a more real world setting, much like Batman Begins did. Anyway, I wrote a description for an introduction to the robin character. You see I've always hated robin because why would Batman allow a child to be put in harms way.

The way I wrote it, was that Barbara Gordon, Jim's daughter, was dating a teenage boy (16 years old) whose family was part of a travelling circus. The boy is Dick Grayson and his family has just returned to Gotham with the circus. They are the Flying Grayson's. Barbara and Dick have been dating for 9 months and this Dick Grayson is a very hot headed young man who shows amazing fighting skills while at the same he attends with Barbara.

When a small local mob inforcer tries to pressure the circus owner into protection money, Dick Grayson overhears the threat but disregards it as a silly attempt to get some money. Before that fateful night which will forever change Dick's night, he has an argument with his parents over the fact they will be leaving Gotham within a few days to move on.

After speaking with Barbara about this and wishing he never had to leave, Dick is horrified when his wish comes true in the form of his parents falling to their death. Dick wakes up in hospital soon after where Jim Gordon informs Dick that he broke his arm falling from the high wire, however all costs are being covered by Bruce Wayne who witnessed the events.

From here, Dick would be staying with Jim Gordon as he recovers and Batman keeps an eye on him feeling that he in turn needs to be guided much the same way as he needed when he lost his parents. With his arm fully recovered, Dick sets out night after night in search of Batman hoping that he can find his parents killer.

When Dick finds himself in serious trouble one night, Batman arrives to save him. With the police sirens approaching, Batman tells Dick to be more careful next time, and Dick says that he just needs to training. The police arrive and both are gone. Batman says that what he does isn't just some game or for thrill seekers, but Dick stops him saying that whoever killed his parents needs to pay.


Anyway, that is pretty much what i wrote as a description for introducing the Robin/Dick character in my story.

You changed his story but i fail to see how that makes Robin any more realistic. If anything Batman is written completely out of character. "You need to be more careful"? He would have scared the kid so that it'd stay out of danger.

 

[Texas Zombie]

I can't see batman knowingly endangering a child, at this point things would be so dangerous.

And finally I am 99 percent positive there is not going to be robin in this film.

 

[El Payaso]

I can't see batman knowingly endangering a child, at this point things would be so dangerous.

And finally I am 99 percent positive there is not going to be robin in this film.

Yes. Nolan has found really interesting ways to keep Batman interesting and not stale before resorting to sidekicks. And so far it looks like he can keep this going on.

 

[Crook]

I can't see batman knowingly endangering a child, at this point things would be so dangerous.

It's interesting this point being brought up, when in real-world time Batman was solo for about a year, and in the comic book time lines, he was solo for about 2-3.

It's fine to not like the character, but to suggest Batman himself wouldn't do it when history and practically every medium he's appeared in irrefutably proves otherwise, is plain denial.

 

[GL1]

As i said before, Dick wont be engaging thugs until he gets some proper training. He'll only be Batman's support in the field. But besides that, no he doesnt need a lifetime of training because his circus training and street smarts make up for it. Its a comic book movie and it should have a comic book logic. Did you ever wonder how did Rhodey get out of the Mark II when he stole it?
I agree with you that Robin would be harder to do in Nolan's world. Its a bit weird how Batman has a batmobile that flies on rooftops, how he and Rachel fall hard on a taxi and still live, etc but other comic book elements dont seem to fit.
You are right but on the other hand that ages Batman too much. You might have noticed but while all the Robins age, Bruce seems to stay in about the same age. I'd definitely speed forward Dick's training.

I think the bold part is where we disagree. I think the fact that you use 'should' also shows that we are not going to be able to reach an agreement on this issue. Each movie has it's own internal logic it needs to stay consistent to. TDK is proof of that, and yeah, I did realize that the movie decided not to explain how Rhodey got his suit off, as well as how they did explain how Batman has a vehicle that can jump from roof to roof.

Also, speeding forward Dick's training won't keep Batman's actor from aging.

 

[GL1]

Yes. Nolan has found really interesting ways to keep Batman interesting and not stale before resorting to sidekicks. And so far it looks like he can keep this going on.

How is that a goal? And what profit is gained by reaching it?

 

[Texas Zombie]

Is this batman the comics batman, no the world is extremely different.

The only reason robin was created was to give someone to talk to. I think he confides in Alfred enough.

I personally think pleadig Nolan, which has sometimes been done in this thread is annoying.

I like robin, in the comics, Nolan has already stated his batman has no time for robin.


But I much enjoyed the adapting robin thread, and I wish I had posted my sketches of a nolanized robin.

I would much rather talk about adapting robin than
if he actually fits in the series.