The Dark Knight Nolan on picking Jonah to write TDK

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, what I've hated the most has been the delays. I've started to warm up to the series a bit....but the delays just KILL me. I mean, CConn made a comment.....and he's right. This book is a bargain. You spend like $3.00......but only every 6 months, so in the end.....it's not such a bad deal for a niffty art book drawn by Jim Lee with little bubble words with it.

I think the way he's behaved towards Dick also bothered me.

I get that he's an a-hole. But.....Bruce does have compassion. He has this tough exterior.....but on the inside...he's got a good heart. In the end, that's why he's the good guy. And, towards Dick, an orphan like he was, he treats him with compassion. Not like one of the bad guys.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I think those cop cars have magic hidden hatches that lead to the Phantom Zone.

Ya know, like a magician trap door.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Well, I think those cop cars have magic hidden hatches that lead to the Phantom Zone.

Ya know, like a magician trap door.

ah.

 

[Darknightnomis]

The difference was 1)DKR Bats is older, his life of obsession has driven him to this state. He's supposed to be a little nicer when he's young and 2)How do cops survive exploding cars?

1. I would think he would be more obsesse and diligent at the begining of his Crimefighting and then find some "happy medium" as he mature as he find his grounding and then as he gets older give it up and accept you can't defeat all crime.

But then he couldn't escape his destiny as shown in "The Dark Knight Returns".

2. They don't.


By the by, Bruce and Dick's bad relationship as shown in All Star Batman was hinted on in TDKR when Bruce had that conversation with Gordan and of course it can to a head in The DArk Knight Strikes again.

 

[ultimatefan]

I dunno, what I've hated the most has been the delays. I've started to warm up to the series a bit....but the delays just KILL me. I mean, CConn made a comment.....and he's right. This book is a bargain. You spend like $3.00......but only every 6 months, so in the end.....it's not such a bad deal for a niffty art book drawn by Jim Lee with little bubble words with it.

I think the way he's behaved towards Dick also bothered me.

I get that he's an a-hole. But.....Bruce does have compassion. He has this tough exterior.....but on the inside...he's got a good heart. In the end, that's why he's the good guy. And, towards Dick, an orphan like he was, he treats him with compassion. Not like one of the bad guys.

Where I think a-hole Batman works better is as an arc the character goes through in a specific story, like at some point he goes darker and COULD become the complete a-hole Batman, but he´s brought back to light to some extent. Bt not as the definition of who he is.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Where I think a-hole Batman works better is as an arc the character goes through in a specific story, like at some point he goes darker and COULD become the complete a-hole Batman, but he´s brought back to light to some extent.

This is where I think Miller is going with the storyline and it's will be Dick that helps him see the "light".

Although I don't Bats being an "A-Hole" toward Dick, I think he' just showing Dick he going to have to be be tough to do what he has to do.

By the way is "A-hole Batman" the new catchphrase? a couple of months ago everyone was saying "Batman is a D**k".

 

[silentflute]

This is where I think Miller is going with the storyline and it's will be Dick that helps him see the "light".

Although I don't Bats being an "A-Hole" toward Dick, I think he' just showing Dick he going to have to be be tough to do what he has to do.

By the way is "A-hole Batman" the new catchphrase? a couple of months ago everyone was saying "Batman is a D**k".

Yeah cuz God forbid taht Batman should ever be an A hole or a dick.Didn't ya know- "That's NOT Batman!"

 

[silentflute]

Batman's an a-hole in All Star. He's also obsessed. They should use the obsessed part of that, not the a-hole part.

That's brilliant compartmentalization there.

 

[silentflute]

My problem with people who have a problem with the way Frank Miller is portraying Batman in All-Star batman is that the actions and attitude of Batman in the "All Star" run is the same as what he did in "The Dark KNight Returns" which is highly accailmed by crittics and most Bat fans.

Did these people not read The Dark Knight Returns or was they jumping on a bandwagon that they supposed to like it because "everyone" else is.

I remember people making a big deal about Batman lauging while he was fighting the cops in ALL Star number 2 and yet in TDKR, Superman clearly state that Batman had "that evil laugh of yours" when the government told the heroes to stop there activites.

And some people couldn't believe BAtman would fight cops and yet throughout TDK returns He's fighting the cops and even reflects "fighting cops...it been a long time" and gave the commisioner a punch in the face. A woman at that.

To me the so-call "A-hole" Batman that's in All Star is that same that's Frank Miller ALWAYS been showing. And I wouldn't mind some of his action and attitude in TDK

Thank you.I've said this a dozen times, but nobody has yet to acknowledge it.Miller's Batman has always stayed consistent.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Thank you.I've said this a dozen times, but nobody has yet to acknowledge it.Miller's Batman has always stayed consistent.

You're welcome.

Personally, I don't think that Miller has ever been inconsistent in any of his writings about BAtman, include Year one, the Batman and Spawn story and TDK strikes again.

His Batman is a fascist, plain and simple, in the purist sense of the word.

He will force the world around him to be as he want it to be regardless of who gets in the way or hurt.

 

[ultimatefan]

Thank you.I've said this a dozen times, but nobody has yet to acknowledge it.Miller's Batman has always stayed consistent.

In terms. In TDKR, Miller had a good explanation, that Bruce was bitter and fed up with the way things were going. In Year One, he´s more heroic and a little more compassionate than in DKR - look at his effort to save the thug in the stairway fight.

 

[ultimatefan]

Thank you.I've said this a dozen times, but nobody has yet to acknowledge it.Miller's Batman has always stayed consistent.

In terms. In TDKR, Miller had a good explanation, that Bruce was bitter and fed up with the way things were going. In Year One, he´s more heroic and a little more compassionate than in DKR - look at his effort to save the thug in the stairway fight.

 

[Octoberist]

I haven't read too much of all star batman or even the Dark Knight Strikes, but wasn't there a backlash against him?

I read some comments about Miller in the past, stating that he's 'overrated'. And i'm like "Without him, you wouldn't have the modern day Batman." Of course you get oothers like Loeb and O'Neil who shaped Batman of today, but some of the online freaks don't want to give Miller credit. What? Just because he's not as good as he was now? Do people want to see someone sucessful fail? weird.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Fanboys bite the hand that feeds them

 

[Cinemaman]

The guy can't win. First of all it was: "This guy doesn't even know Batman. Bring back Goyer!"

Now it's: "He's a fan, fans can't write good scripts. He'll make Batman DKR"

And soon it will be: "God! The script sounds amazing! Jonah is the man"!

 

[ultimatefan]

I haven't read too much of all star batman or even the Dark Knight Strikes, but wasn't there a backlash against him?

I read some comments about Miller in the past, stating that he's 'overrated'. And i'm like "Without him, you wouldn't have the modern day Batman." Of course you get oothers like Loeb and O'Neil who shaped Batman of today, but some of the online freaks don't want to give Miller credit. What? Just because he's not as good as he was now? Do people want to see someone sucessful fail? weird.

I will always recognize Miller´s stature as one of the main creators of the Batman mythos. But there´s also those who think his version is the be all end all of Batman, and that´s not true, either.

 

[Cinemaman]

If Jonah liked TDKR, it doesn't mean we will see TDKR adaptation (and even if it has title like TDK).

 

[silentflute]

In terms. In TDKR, Miller had a good explanation, that Bruce was bitter and fed up with the way things were going. In Year One, he´s more heroic and a little more compassionate than in DKR - look at his effort to save the thug in the stairway fight.

I don't know where you get him being "more heroic" in YO -He's equally as heroic in DKR if for nothing else than the fact ththat the story has more pages

More compassionate - yeah , albeit slightly.To quote Rorschach:"Was soft on scum back then when I first started.Molly coddled them-let them live."

Same reasoning with Miller's Batman.

 

[ultimatefan]

I don't know where you get him being "more heroic" in YO -He's equally as heroic in DKR if for nothing else than the fact ththat the story has more pages

More compassionate - yeah , albeit slightly.To quote Rorschach:"Was soft on scum back then when I first started.Molly coddled them-let them live."

Same reasoning with Miller's Batman.

Not exactly. Rorshach became a cold-blooded killer. He wasn´t quite in the same situation as Bruce in DKR - forced to retire, things going from bad to worse.

 

[The Spirit]

Wait. Bash me all the ***** you want, but who is Jonah?








And I'm back from my trip SHH!

 

[Nightwing 52]

Wait. Bash me all the ***** you want, but who is Jonah

Jonah. Nolan's brother Jonah. He worked on Memento with him. He's writing the script for TDK, from an outline Nolan and Goyer put together.

This film is already promising to be darker than BB, with the rumored plot to be about Bruce becoming darker and forgeting about his bruce wayne life. if that dosent open up possibilites of a-hole bats, than i dunno what does. but, we'll see

Well, actually. Jonah was only telling what got him into the character in the first place. And that was The Dark Knight Returns. He didn't flat out say "that's how Batman is going to be in TDK." It's like how Ledger mentioned he liked to wear masks, whenever the opportunity comes along. Then suddenly it's misinterpreted as if Ledger said Joker was going to wear a mask. When that was from the case. He meant it metaphorically. Not literally. Like Jonah's comment.

And like fabman mentioned. The rumors of Bruce Wayne being forgotten are fanbased rumors. The only thing is that yes, TDK is going to be darker. But if anything, TDK is also going to be focusing on duality. Which means that, that is where the rumors of Roman Sionis/Black Mask being more of a threat to Bruce Wayne than Batman come into play.

 

[The Spirit]

Well, actually. Jonah was only telling what got him into the character in the first place. And that was The Dark Knight Returns. He didn't flat out say "that's how Batman is going to be in TDK." It's like how Ledger mentioned he liked to wear masks, whenever the opportunity comes along. Then suddenly it's misinterpreted as if Ledger said Joker was going to wear a mask. When that was from the case. He meant it metaphorically. Not literally. Like Jonah's comment.

And like fabman mentioned. The rumors of Bruce Wayne being forgotten are fanbased rumors. The only thing is that yes, TDK is going to be darker. But if anything, TDK is also going to be focusing on duality. Which means that, that is where the rumors of Roman Sionis/Black Mask being more of a threat to Bruce Wayne than Batman come into play.

EXACTLY. You hit the nail right there.

And thanks, Bats.

 

[Babs Gordon]

bruce wayne is going to be forgotten? there's no one to forget. the bruce wayne he was before he ever donned the cowl is the same one under the mask. emotionally wrecked, starved for absolution, desperate for some kind of justice. like i said, there's no bruce wayne to forgot. only a show to put on when he has to act as different from the bat as he possibly can to deter suspicion.

 

[The Spirit]

bruce wayne is going to be forgotten? there's no one to forget. the bruce wayne he was before he ever donned the cowl is the same one under the mask. emotionally wrecked, starved for absolution, desperate for some kind of justice. like i said, there's no bruce wayne to forgot. only a show to put on when he has to act as different from the bat as he possibly can to deter suspicion.

Yep, I also agree with Babs. t:

EDIT: And yeah I also agree with the people (Babs Gordon, Batman, and fabman) and everyone else here who say that bruce being forgotten comes from the fans. cause...we never got that, and it's stupid to even believe it.

 

[silentflute]

Not exactly. Rorshach became a cold-blooded killer. He wasn´t quite in the same situation as Bruce in DKR - forced to retire, things going from bad to worse.

Wasn't saying that Miller's Batman and Rorschach are the same type of character.I was pointing out the progression of Miller's Batman from YO to DKR.He became more jaded as he went along, and less "compassionate", if you will -like Rorschach.Obviously, Rorschach is more extreme in his methods, and more disturbed then Bruce Wayne.