Guardians of the Galaxy Nova in Guardians of the Galaxy 2

[InternetPeople]

If we are including more human characters in GotG2, then wouldn't that require coming back to Earth? Why would the Guardians come back to Earth before Thanos begins his quest?

There should be more human characters in space but they should be held off until after the Infinity War when Earth and humanity gets put on the map.

 

[The Infernal]

Gunn has said he wants to avoid adding other humans in space. Right now that's all we have on the subject. Otherwise it's just wishful thinking.

 

[Super Jim]

If we are including more human characters in GotG2, then wouldn't that require coming back to Earth? Why would the Guardians come back to Earth before Thanos begins his quest?

There should be more human characters in space but they should be held off until after the Infinity War when Earth and humanity gets put on the map.

That's not necessarily true. The Guardians wouldn't need to come back to Earth for us to get Nova, although we would likely need to have someone (like a member of the NOVA Corps - cough, cough, Rhomann Dey) come back.

It's actually really easy. The film starts off at Xandar with some force (our villain - or sub-villain) about to attack. NOVA Prime gives something to Rhomann Dey and commands him to take it and get it off planet/protect it.

He goes, NOVA (and Xandar) get decimated, Dey's ship is damaged, and the villain possibly goes after Dey (who goes into warp and ends up near Terra).

Now we go hang out with the Guardians for a bit (afterall, it is a Guardians movie)... Maybe Star Lord finds out something about his pops... They find out about Xandar and the Corps and divert.

Dey crashlands on Earth (either because of the damage caused when Xandar was attacked, or because he's attacked by the villain who came after him). He's dying and gives the powers (and whatever he was protecting) to Richard Ryder, who becomes Nova. He gets called/pulled/whatever into space. Maybe he even brings the body of Dey with him (since Star Lord and Dey are friendly). He goes to Xandar.

Boom... You now have Nova and the Guardians on the same path, with the villain either out there, waiting to be tracked down, or coming after Nova, who has whetever it is he/she/it wants...

Throw in some Star Lord daddy stuff, some more Nebula stuff, Kevin Bacon as Star Lord's daddy (Star Fox), another visit to the Collector, possibly some Adam Warlock clues, more Yondu, some more Thanos junk, etc...

At the end of the movie, Richard Ryder gives up his powers and goes home to Long Island in order to restore the Corps (and maybe revive Dey???).

An after credits scene shows him working at a diner, since he never graduated high school due to being off in space. He goes outside and gets "attacked" by this dude wearing this black and red armor and who has all of this tech. Dwayne Taylor ends up dropping him off the roof and we follow him as he falls and see his eyes glow yellow just before impact. Fade to black...

 

[MbJ]

Gunn reiterates no Nova.
http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/content/james-gunn-says-no-nova

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Set Richard up for a sequel.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Nova Corps is gonna get wrecked either in GotG2 or Infinity War. Thanos needs that purple stone and Nova is already down about a thousand troops after Ronan.

To me it would make the most sense to show them at their lowest (I would bet Glenn Close dies too) before they really pull it together and develop the Nova Force and Rhomann recruits Rider out of desperation... or w/e

I agree with Gunn's sentiment regarding Star Lord being the only human for the time being.

Then Nova can be a film or Netflix series in Phase 4.

 

[Lilbaz]

Yeah having more than one human in the Guardians team is pointless. We have enough human superheroes. Guardians should explore the other races in the Universe and create new ones.
Hope Disney shares some of their ideas from the Star Wars franchise with Guardians. (FX etc...). I wouldn't even mind an easter egg obscure race that turns up in both. Wouldn't need to have any story attached, just be walking past or something. Not suggesting they link the universes, just think that it would be fun for fans. Call them Yen Sid then it will link most Disney Universes.

 

[Solaire]

"That serves the entire movie going audience and not just the handful of Nova fans. Sorry if that upsets you."

Not a fan of this quote at all tbh. I barely knew who the GOTG were before the trailers and eventual movie. Add Nova to GOTG 2 and his audience will grow a ton.

Hopefully there will be an end credits scene or easter egg. Or Feige has Gunn introduce him. Just think Nova has to be added soon, would be silly when the Nova Corps are in the movies.

 

[Lilbaz]

"That serves the entire movie going audience and not just the handful of Nova fans. Sorry if that upsets you."

Not a fan of this quote at all tbh. I barely knew who the GOTG were before the trailers and eventual movie. Add Nova to GOTG 2 and his audience will grow a ton.

Hopefully there will be an end credits scene or easter egg. Or Feige has Gunn introduce him. Just think Nova has to be added soon, would be silly when the Nova Corps are in the movies.

There's no rush and plenty of characters to be introduced. This isn't Batman where it gets rebooted after 3 films. It would be an actual mess if they tried to reboot the whole of MCU. They'll just recast if needed. Nova will be added sooner or later.

 

[Maximus One]

I feel that Adam Warlock is way more essential to Guardians of The Galaxy than Nova. Nova could have his own movie later on that could also feature the Guardians in some capacity or something but Adam is the main character I'm concerned about now. People with powers need to be introduced in the next movie as well. I'd kill to actually see Cosmo talking and teeping and Mantis would probably be my next choice.

 

[MbJ]

"That serves the entire movie going audience and not just the handful of Nova fans. Sorry if that upsets you."

Not a fan of this quote at all tbh. I barely knew who the GOTG were before the trailers and eventual movie. Add Nova to GOTG 2 and his audience will grow a ton.

Hopefully there will be an end credits scene or easter egg. Or Feige has Gunn introduce him. Just think Nova has to be added soon, would be silly when the Nova Corps are in the movies.

I think that was sort of his point though. He was responding to the fact that certain sites (especially Cosmic Book News) make it seem like Richard Rider is a mega A-lister and an integral part to the cosmic universe who MUST be included or else the fans will riot, and Gunn is simply saying in the grand scheme there are very few Nova fans.

He knows this is also true for the Guardians which is why he was comfortable taking so many liberties. Gamora and Nebula being sisters? Ronan being a terrorist working for Thanos? Star-Lord being a goofy jokester? Drax being an alien instead of a human? Those were all changes from the source material people complained about but it didn't harm the movie because at the end of the day, the "fans" complaining about how he was misusing their characters made up a small minority.

He's simply saying that the argument that Richard Rider needs to be in the movie because the fans demand it is a faulty one at best.

 

[Super Jim]

One of the reasons why I like this idea of including Nova, and why I started this thread, was because of where they could go with Nova, especially a Richard Rider.

As someone else mentioned, since we already have the Nova Corps, it seems like a perfect time to introduce Nova in a way that makes a lot of sense.

We have Rhommen Dey, who could easily be used to give the power to Rider, per canon.

They obviously want to expand the Marvel Movie-verse, and introducing Nova would do this and could lead to other things.

But most importantly, it seems logical that in this next movie something big is going to happen to NOVA. Yes, maybe that will end up being in the third movie instead, but in a lot of ways, in order to make the story compelling, showing NOVA getting utterly destroyed would be huge. Showing NOVA Prime dying and Rhomman Dey escaping with either a stone, or with the NOVA force, would make so much sense, and fits right in with the Nova story.

To me there really are two ways to give us Nova, as I've previously explained.

The first is to show the NOVA Corps, and NOVA Prime, defeated/destroyed and Rhommen Dey escapes with the stone or the force. Maybe that's all we would see until an after credits scene, where Rhommen would find his way to Earth and meet Richard Rider (hopefully - NO ONE wants Sam). This could lead to Nova in the next movie, or his own flick.

The second is to establish the above as part of the GOTG movie. Have Nova be part of the movie and have him travel to Xandar, fight with the Guardians, and ultimately give up his power to help reestablish the Corps. Then, in either another movie, or better yet, a mid or after credits scene, show Night Thrasher "helping" Richard Rider to once again become Nova. This would, of course, lead to the New Warriors as either a movie, or better yet, a tv series (that could cross-over with Agents of Shield).

New Warriors could be an amazing commodity. There are some compelling characters and stories, and it would appeal to a slightly younger generation than Agents does. Not saying that the New Warriors needs to end up getting caught up in the whole Infinity War, but as an expanded universe team doing their own thing, it could be very appealing!

 

[Stormz96]

One of the reasons why I like this idea of including Nova, and why I started this thread, was because of where they could go with Nova, especially a Richard Rider.

As someone else mentioned, since we already have the Nova Corps, it seems like a perfect time to introduce Nova in a way that makes a lot of sense.

We have Rhommen Dey, who could easily be used to give the power to Rider, per canon.

They obviously want to expand the Marvel Movie-verse, and introducing Nova would do this and could lead to other things.

But most importantly, it seems logical that in this next movie something big is going to happen to NOVA. Yes, maybe that will end up being in the third movie instead, but in a lot of ways, in order to make the story compelling, showing NOVA getting utterly destroyed would be huge. Showing NOVA Prime dying and Rhomman Dey escaping with either a stone, or with the NOVA force, would make so much sense, and fits right in with the Nova story.

To me there really are two ways to give us Nova, as I've previously explained.

The first is to show the NOVA Corps, and NOVA Prime, defeated/destroyed and Rhommen Dey escapes with the stone or the force. Maybe that's all we would see until an after credits scene, where Rhommen would find his way to Earth and meet Richard Rider (hopefully - NO ONE wants Sam). This could lead to Nova in the next movie, or his own flick.

The second is to establish the above as part of the GOTG movie. Have Nova be part of the movie and have him travel to Xandar, fight with the Guardians, and ultimately give up his power to help reestablish the Corps. Then, in either another movie, or better yet, a mid or after credits scene, show Night Thrasher "helping" Richard Rider to once again become Nova. This would, of course, lead to the New Warriors as either a movie, or better yet, a tv series (that could cross-over with Agents of Shield).

New Warriors could be an amazing commodity. There are some compelling characters and stories, and it would appeal to a slightly younger generation than Agents does. Not saying that the New Warriors needs to end up getting caught up in the whole Infinity War, but as an expanded universe team doing their own thing, it could be very appealing!

I was actually thinking that in Infinity War part 1 Thanos destroys Xandar and the Nova Corps (because they do have an infinity gem in their possession after all) and Rhommen Day escapes to earth and finds Richard Rider and gives him the helmet. Now they haven't established the Nova Force yet, but maybe they harnessed the energy from The Orb and created their xandarian version of super soldiers from it. They can introduce the Super powered Novas in GOTG2!

 

[Super Jim]

^ You bring up an excellent point...

Obviously this is all heading to a showdown with Thanos and the Infinity Guantlet. So here's the question...

Where will this final battle take place?

Will it be on Earth, or will it be out there some where?

If on Earth, it'll be interesting to see how the create a story that gets Thanos to Earth so the Avengers et al can battle him. If it's out there in space then it'll be interesting to see how the get the Avengers to go into space.

Guess the Avengers could find themselves with the last remaining gem, causing Thanos to come to them. He would obviously get it and the guantlet would be complete - and thus the battle would begin. In this scenerio I could see the last gem being the one that the Corps has, and possibly leading to Nova.

But at the same time I have a feeling that Xandar's fate is going to be seen in GOTG2. As I've mentioned, there are two ways to do Nova. One is have this attack happen early in the movie so Nova can be part of the fight, establishing him as a character in the movie, so he can be in future movies or what have you (New Warriors maybe???) or they could have Nova introduced in a post credit's scene, setting him up for GOTH3 or another spin-off (New Warriors maybe???).

Personally, I'd like to see him established in #2, but the other way would work for me (how cool would a New Warriors tv series be???)...

So far I believe one thing is very obvious, based on the poll. If and when we get Nova the majority want Richard Ryder!!!

 

[MbJ]

So far I believe one thing is very obvious, based on the poll. If and when we get Nova the majority want Richard Ryder!!!

Anecdotal polls on a website very rarely amount to anything. I'd think Gunn's overall point made that clear. Most of the people complaining on the message boards are a small minority of the actual audience so I really don't see how that matters.

 

[Lilbaz]

Anecdotal polls on a website very rarely amount to anything. I'd think Gunn's overall point made that clear. Most of the people complaining on the message boards are a small minority of the actual audience so I really don't see how that matters.

Also we have no idea what Gunns ideas are for Nova (if he has any). We might watch the film and think it was a great take on Nova even if he wasn't Richard Rider or from Earth.

 

[Super Jim]

^ Of course I agree with you, but it comes down to this...

There are two standard ways to go for Nova, Richard Ryder and Sam.

Both have the end product of giving us Nova, but all I'm saying is that the Ryder background seems like the better one.

In the end, I just want them to do New Warriors either as a movie, or better yet a tv series... Rich Ryder's story helps form that team...

 

[eon001]

I hope they hint on some classic Nova in GOTG2. Gunn seems to be adamant, but Feige can overall him and at least give us a post credit scene.

I think a space war movie with the red shirt Novas and the super powered Nova corp would be interesting.

Black Hawk down/Saving Private Ryan in space. The War movie is a genre that Marvel is yet to tackle.

It could have flashbacks of the Xandar vs Kree war. Everything that led to the peace treaty in the first Guardians movie.

 

[BarryAllen]

^ Of course I agree with you, but it comes down to this...

There are two standard ways to go for Nova, Richard Ryder and Sam.

Both have the end product of giving us Nova, but all I'm saying is that the Ryder background seems like the better one.

In the end, I just want them to do New Warriors either as a movie, or better yet a tv series... Rich Ryder's story helps form that team...

Maybe Marvel is hesitant on using Rich Ryder because of all the dick rider jokes?

I'd just amalgamate the two and name him Richard Alexander.

But I think we probz won't see him in GotG. However, I could see a Nova standalone in Phase 4.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Nova, Quasar, Captain Marvel/Mar-vell etc; I don't mind who it is I just want to see someone fly around in space under their own steam in the MCU, not having to rely on a spaceship. Hell, we've had Silver Surfer on film already and he was literally the best [only?] thing in that movie [prey that Marvel eventually get the rights for him] and one of the reasons for that was the visual of him in space.

 

[KangConquers]

^ You bring up an excellent point...

Obviously this is all heading to a showdown with Thanos and the Infinity Guantlet. So here's the question...

Where will this final battle take place?

Will it be on Earth, or will it be out there some where?

If on Earth, it'll be interesting to see how the create a story that gets Thanos to Earth so the Avengers et al can battle him. If it's out there in space then it'll be interesting to see how the get the Avengers to go into space.

Guess the Avengers could find themselves with the last remaining gem, causing Thanos to come to them. He would obviously get it and the guantlet would be complete - and thus the battle would begin. In this scenerio I could see the last gem being the one that the Corps has, and possibly leading to Nova.

But at the same time I have a feeling that Xandar's fate is going to be seen in GOTG2. As I've mentioned, there are two ways to do Nova. One is have this attack happen early in the movie so Nova can be part of the fight, establishing him as a character in the movie, so he can be in future movies or what have you (New Warriors maybe???) or they could have Nova introduced in a post credit's scene, setting him up for GOTH3 or another spin-off (New Warriors maybe???).

Personally, I'd like to see him established in #2, but the other way would work for me (how cool would a New Warriors tv series be???)...

So far I believe one thing is very obvious, based on the poll. If and when we get Nova the majority want Richard Ryder!!!

I actually think if we were going to get a Nova, it would be Sam Alexander, just to give us a "Space Spider-Man", and give the Nova character a unique niche in the Guardians Universe, vs being a more powerful Star-Lord.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

I don't think we'll see Nova in Guardians 2. If he shows up at some point they'll probably want to make him hispanic for diversity. I wouldn't be opposed to this, but I hope by God they'll use the characterization of Richard from Annihilation to Thanos Imperative. Sam is really boring imo.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

A Richard Ryder cameo would just do me for now, at least then we would know they have plans for him.

 

[Will Nolte]

I see people mentioning New Warriors in here, but how many of those characters does Marvel really own the movie rights to? From the original run only, the following characters are mutants: Firestar, Marvel Boy/Justice, Namorita, Silhouette, Dagger (of Cloak and Dagger).

Pretty much all of those, except for Dagger, are integral parts of the Warriors' backstory and them being mutants (especially in Firestar's case) might make them part of the properties Fox owns. I mean they could get away with writing Justice, Namorita and Sil as Inhumans, but I believe Firestar is actually part of the X-Men deal as she has been a member of an X team and was pretty much created as a member of the X-Men in her original incarnation.

 

[metaphysician]

Fox doesn't own all mutant characters. They hold a license to the *concept* of "mutant", as related to various X-stuff. There's no evidence to suggest the New Warriors are licensed to Fox, given they have essentially zero connection to the X-comics, and several of the characters you mention were only occasionally mutants anyway.