The Dark Knight Now that its said and done, what would you change?

Well sorry about that, i dont know how many comics you ve read, but batman sure does crazy things there.
This isn't a Batman comic. And yes, Batman does corny things sometimes in the comics. Some that don't even fit into the true essence of the character. Once again. This is a movie. A movie with a Batman, and a Batman world grounded in sober looking reality. The huge white lenses totally bucked at that concept.

Mr. Earle said:
And please dont tell me that its cartoonish, because so is the memory cloth, so is the batmobile and so is the batpod.
You're obviously not comprehending. The technology of any of those isn't cartoonish at all, really. Neither is the sonar / night vision imaging. The others were realistically applied, and looked believable. The design and LOOK of the lenses and vision was totally cartoonish.
 
Two Face the character in TDK, apart from his fantastical look, was a much more solid, complex, and interesting character than the one in the comics. BY FAR.
I liked the look as well! The phantom of the opera face wouldnt look as good unless it was coloured or something like in the comics.

And yes, even though i am not so sure about discarding his double personality, i think that this two-face had much more complex reasons for changing. "My father beat me up and now my face is ugly" just isnt good enough for me. Finally, the fact that twoface was so short lived makes him even more tragic though that means that he disappears from the rogues gallery. He wont be killing people, escaping arkham, blowing buildings for people and batman to hate. Hes a painfull memory now for everyone that experienced it.
 
He had duality to him, and it was subtle. Not the over the top double personality.
 
BTW, my stance on Harvey's look changed when I saw this pic. It is alot more realistic then I have it credit for ...

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i also would have preferred some of the trailer cuts instead of what was used....

"this city deserves a better class of criminal" line shoulda been said to batman at their first confrontation IMO.

and the youll see, ill show ya from the trailers woulda been nice :up:
 
Some people also say that the entire Two-Face/Dent/Batman confrontation at the end could have been cut, but even though it would have given Joker the last laugh, it also would have derailed the entire arc of the film. It depends on how the viewer interprets it, but Chris Nolan is too good of a filmmaker to put an entire scene in for the heck of it.
In the end we need to remember that the joker is the hurricane that hits gotham. Its what Batman and Dent do about it that the movie is all about. And that is adressed at the end of the film. I dont think we needed another film focusing on Dent killing people to get that, nor do i think that this twoface is a mass murderer. He mostly wanted "justice" for him and rachel.
 
Right. And he wasn't going to go the corny comic book route, and start flipping his coin and choosing to rob the 2nd bank of Gotham and all that other stupid crap.
 
You're obviously not comprehending. The technology of any of those isn't cartoonish at all, really. Neither is the sonar / night vision imaging. The others were realistically applied, and looked believable. The design and LOOK of the lenses and vision was totally cartoonish.
I am pretty sure that thats how sonar looks.

As for the lenses themselves, come on, this is a batman movie. I too hate it when he uses boomtubes and crazy gadgets in the comics, but with your mindset Nolan should have discarded many many gadgets of his arsenal. FYI he almost had batman without a cape and a grapple gun because that would be realistic. Thank god for Goyer who talked him into out of this idea. He did something right after all!
 
No, I just want a better realistic and believable look to the lenses themselves if they were THAT neccessary to have.

I know.

TDK suit design was supposed to be totally cape less ala the way he looks on the HK building with the backpack.

But he loved the image of the cape being like a wraith as he rode the bat-pod.
 
I'd change all the whiney fanboys whining about the damn movie.

It was fine the way it was.

I seriously doubt ANY of you could do better.

wow, hold on guys, dont say anything youd change unless you want to be a 'whiney fanboy'.

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I wouldn't change anything.

i doubt that. NOT ONE thing?

Oh, i think that this thread is almost the same as "biggest disappointment". We all did our whining there for the biggest to the smallest disappointment. So why do it all over again here? Its obvious that we would change the things that disappointed us. Right?

theres differences between disappointments and things that you would have done different.

This has basically turned into the 'disappointment thread'.

then go talk in that? i really dont get why people even spend the time to post "this thread has turned into this thread" statements. must be bored?

but anyways. i like some of the ideas im reading. i read someone say the entire finale ^^^.... well i mean thats a little broad there. any last 30 minutes of a movie could be completely changed. what would you have done different? Joker vs Batman only you say, but how could that even be possible in this world? especially since joker loves attention.
 
BTW, my stance on Harvey's look changed when I saw this pic. It is alot more realistic then I have it credit for ...

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Nolan said that going a bit over the top would make Dent less gruesome. He would be ****ed up, but not in a discusting and painful to watch manner. And he is right. The picture you posted is much more gruesome because its so realistic. And i dont think it looks half as good as Two-face.
i also would have preferred some of the trailer cuts instead of what was used....

"this city deserves a better class of criminal" line shoulda been said to batman at their first confrontation IMO.

and the youll see, ill show ya from the trailers woulda been nice :up:
i had noticed from the BB trailers that Nolan (and some other directors) use parts of the dialogue to give a resume of the movie in the trailer. So now i knew that the lines wouldnt be in that order and that there probably was more dialogue between them.
Have this in mind when the trailers for the next one come out (in 3 freaking years!) so that you dont get disappointed.
 
No, I just want a better realistic and believable look to the lenses themselves if they were THAT neccessary to have.

I know.

TDK suit design was supposed to be totally cape less ala the way he looks on the HK building with the backpack.

But he loved the image of the cape being like a wraith as he rode the bat-pod.


i never knew that he wanted to try batman without a cape. thats like having joker with no makeup, or superman with no S-shield.

thats unreal
 
No, I just want a better realistic and believable look to the lenses themselves if they were THAT neccessary to have.

I know.

TDK suit design was supposed to be totally cape less ala the way he looks on the HK building with the backpack.

But he loved the image of the cape being like a wraith as he rode the bat-pod.
nonono! I meant in Begins. When Nolan was restarting batman and was fiddling with his image (belt got yellow again, cowl is radically different from previous movies, etc) Nolan thought that they should make him more like a ninja. No cape, no grapple gun. Sheesh, what was he thinking?
 
Nolan said that going a bit over the top would make Dent less gruesome. He would be ****ed up, but not in a discusting and painful to watch manner. And he is right. The picture you posted is much more gruesome because its so realistic. And i dont think it looks half as good as Two-face.
i had noticed from the BB trailers that Nolan (and some other directors) use parts of the dialogue to give a resume of the movie in the trailer. So now i knew that the lines wouldnt be in that order and that there probably was more dialogue between them.
Have this in mind when the trailers for the next one come out (in 3 freaking years!) so that you dont get disappointed.

are you talking about actual scenes or just voiceover, or both? naturally i knew alot of the trailer was mixed up and all, im just saying some of the voiceovers and stuff i was expecting at completely different times. i mean, who really thought joker was saying 'does it depress you how alone you are' to gordon and not to batman? it seems soo fitting for batman IN THE TRAILERS. but then as the movie is, it works for gordon just as well.
 
are you talking about actual scenes or just voiceover, or both? naturally i knew alot of the trailer was mixed up and all, im just saying some of the voiceovers and stuff i was expecting at completely different times. i mean, who really thought joker was saying 'does it depress you how alone you are' to gordon and not to batman? it seems soo fitting for batman IN THE TRAILERS. but then as the movie is, it works for gordon just as well.
i too thought he was referring to batman, because at that point the trailer shows us Bruce starring at Dent and Rachel holding hands. But it worked anyway.
Or for example i couldnt possibly have imagined that the "why so serious" line would have been from the joker quoting his father. I thought it was goint to be his motto throughout the film.
 
yea i hear ya on the why so serous part....hell i never picture the joker using his father and wife as stories leading up to cutting their smiles.... when he first said "my father was....a drinker" i was like WTF? then it kinda gave the feel of wait, is this BS or is it real? thne he talked about his wife to rachel...wheres it like wait which is true...so obviously both were bs and he was 'freestyling' lol
 
Yes, I could change this or that... but in all honesty this is a masterpiece and as such I respect it with all the little details. :up:
 
yea i def wanted him to blow up a ferry. plus, you know damn well out of those one hundred prisoners, one of the crazy bastards would get through those like 4 cops and push the button, no question.

i was thinking the whole time that both ferries would blow up, but the joker would of done it in a way that it was actually batman that did it unintentionally.
 
only problem i can think of right now is that the city looked WAAAAYYY too clean .
 
Or that he doesnt have the origin you want him to and that you are seeing what you want to see. Anyone who didnt know 2face before TDK will testify that there is no such thing implied in the movie. Therefore, Dent didnt have Jigsaw as his father. He was always on the verge of breaking the law trying to enforce it, and after the death of rachel he finally loses his faith in the justice system. He now believes that its all down to luck. I find it better than the "durr my father hit me, now i cant control my rage and i throw da coins in the air".
You're explanation of how his father's abuse effects him is purely your own making. The abuse his father dealt him would set him up for his obsession with duality, and since you obviously didn't grasp what I meant by that I'll explain.

When I say obsessed with duality, it doesn't mean he's obsessed with the number two. I don't want to see Two-Face with two girlfriends, owning two t.v.'s, owning two pairs of shoes....ect. It mean's he's obsessed with the duality of all things. The good side and bad side, the light and the dark. He's obsessed with the duality in humans, and he openly reflects this more then any normal person does. This is also why I said (in my other explanation) that I would have Harvey systematically attack gotham through the mob and justice system, that would hold symbolic meaning to him, because he's not just attacking Gotham, he's taking both dual sides of the city, the mob, which resembles the dark, and the justice system, which resembles the light, and using both sides to tear the city apart.

And if I'm not mistaken, in the novelization they include the abusive father aspect, they even have Harvey come home to find his dad had committed suicide I believe.
Its not about Batman running from the cops. Its about him taking the blame for multiple murders he did not commit, only because that way he would serve Gotham. That was the point of the movie. Not Dent's father or his double personality. You are dismissing the best part of the film only because you want to see BTAS or the Long Halloween in a live action film. Just go watch BTAS already.
I know it's about Batman serving Gotham, and if you actually read what I typed above, I would have that same ending. The whole movie dealt with Bruce's reluctance of the Batman mantle, and ending with him ultimately realizing he may be Batman forever, and accepting that he may have to do anything, even become a villain to serve the city.

If you look above, my post has this same ending, just slightly different.

And Anita18, I have to disagree. I don't think the alternate ending makes Batman seem somehow less strong. No, he's not making himself become a villain, but he's still accepting that he will wear the mantle of Batman, and he's willing to do anything to continue to be Batman. The end of the movie was showing us that Bruce has accepted Batman fully, that was the main message, and I think the other ending I proposed has the same message as well.
Also, about the film's ending, people consider the Two-face abduction part as an afterthough only because the joker is the main villain and ooooh canon says that the film must end with the good guy catching the main bad guy. Also, the set of the abduction didnt help either. It was rather bland, while people expected something spectacular to end the film.

If you've been reading my posts, you'll see that the very first thing I said in here was that I wanted the film to end with Two-Face still at large only because I wanted to see more done with his character. It's not because I think all movies have to end with the main bad guy being captured.
 
nonono! I meant in Begins. When Nolan was restarting batman and was fiddling with his image (belt got yellow again, cowl is radically different from previous movies, etc) Nolan thought that they should make him more like a ninja. No cape, no grapple gun. Sheesh, what was he thinking?
And I'm saying him and Linda Hemming were going to go farther with the costume. In the "Art of TDK" book, they said they were going to have Batman w/o a cape. It would've been that backpack thing you see briefly in the scene in HK. They spent so much time designing it they had to use it for something, so they threw it in that scene.
 
yea i hear ya on the why so serous part....hell i never picture the joker using his father and wife as stories leading up to cutting their smiles.... when he first said "my father was....a drinker" i was like WTF? then it kinda gave the feel of wait, is this BS or is it real? thne he talked about his wife to rachel...wheres it like wait which is true...so obviously both were bs and he was 'freestyling' lol
That was the best part about Ledger's job in that scene. When you see it in repeat viewings, you know he's bull ****ting Gambol. And you can see him subtely looking up away from Gambol while telling the story. Making it look like he's making it up as he goes.
 
I would have liked to see Arkham and could have done without the "OK THATS NOT GOOD!" garbage. As well as the bat-pod driving up the wall :o
 

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