Endgame Official Avengers: Endgame News & Speculation Thread!

[Prison Mike]

Wasn’t Katherine Langford supposed to be in the movie? I didn’t see her or did I miss her? Maybe her part was cut?

 

[Prettyricky]

I kind of rolled my eyes in the final battle when

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All the female heroes were in one shot together charging at thanos. Just felt forced in the women power and took me out of the movie. Call me whatever you want but just like in IW when the 3 on 1 fight happened it just didn't work for me.
I get there badass women who can hold there own but it just feels like pandering to say hey look at us were progressive. Wouldn't it mean more and progressive to just have all the heroes and there genders and race mixed in a lineup and charging at thanos together?

 

[daddydivine]

I think everyone is misinterpreting what @redhawk23 meant in saying "didn't work" and are reacting without thinking.

I apologize if I took the wrong meaning from his post. Maybe I missed some context from an earlier post....but kinda hard to misinterpret "Endgame didn't work".

Again sorry if I missed something.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

I kind of rolled my eyes in the final battle when

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All the female heroes were in one shot together charging at thanos. Just felt forced in the women power and took me out of the movie. Call me whatever you want but just like in IW when the 3 on 1 fight happened it just didn't work for me.
I get there badass women who can hold there own but it just feels like pandering to say hey look at us were progressive. Wouldn't it mean more and progressive to just have all the heroes and there genders and race mixed in a lineup and charging at thanos?

Im laughing hysterically at the criticism of pandering having all the women together.

Come on- these movies, at their core, speak to the inner child in all of us-- dont u think its awesome that little girls can have that image in their heads-- little boys too!! My theater erupted in a loud roar of applause on that scene and I literally got chills-- it was an epic moment.

Now was it fan service? Hell yeah, and remind me again what's wrong with thanking fans by rewarding those who have spent over 10 years watching over 20 movies with a hint of what some have been crying for?

I like how one critic called the movie a 'love letter to the fans' -- this was the last movie of the Russos and they heard the public and found a really cool way to incorporate them and make the scene work by and large for most movie goers.

I guess u can call that pandering to fans and making them happy by giving them a moment that will go down in history, okay...if u must and technically I guess it is. But I have to ask u- is that scene really worthy of hate?

It just does so much good I cant I understand singling that scene out as something bad but that's just me. I repect ur opinion even if I wholeheartedly disagree.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I apologize if I took the wrong meaning from his post. Maybe I missed some context from an earlier post....but kinda hard to misinterpret "Endgame didn't work".

Again sorry if I missed something.

I think he was commenting about an earlier post about MARVEL STUDIOS relationship with their directors. He meant that Endgame doesn't work because of the control Marvel excercised on previous films' directors. It works because it works.

 

[terry78]

Im laughing hysterically at the criticism of pandering having all the women together.

Come on- these movies, at their core, speak to the inner child in all of us-- dont u think its awesome that little girls can have that image in their heads-- little boys too!! My theater erupted in a loud roar of applause on that scene and I literally got chills-- it was an epic moment.

Now was it fan service? Hell yeah, and remind me again what's wrong with thanking fans by rewarding those who have spent over 10 years watching over 20 movies with a hint of what some have been crying for?

I like how one critic called the movie a 'love letter to the fans' -- this was the last movie of the Russos and they heard the public and found a really cool way to incorporate them and make the scene work by and large for most movie goers.

I guess u can call that pandering to fans and making them happy by giving them a moment that will go down in history, okay...if u must and technically I guess it is. But I have to ask u- is that scene really worthy of hate?

It just does so much good I cant I understand singling that scene out as something bad but that's just me. I repect ur opinion even if I wholeheartedly disagree.

Is this really their last?

 

[Prettyricky]

Im laughing hysterically at the criticism of pandering having all the women together.

Come on- these movies, at their core, speak to the inner child in all of us-- dont u think its awesome that little girls can have that image in their heads-- little boys too!! My theater erupted in a loud roar of applause on that scene and I literally got chills-- it was an epic moment.

Now was it fan service? Hell yeah, and remind me again what's wrong with thanking fans by rewarding those who have spent over 10 years watching over 20 movies with a hint of what some have been crying for?

I like how one critic called the movie a 'love letter to the fans' -- this was the last movie of the Russos and they heard the public and found a really cool way to incorporate them and make the scene work by and large for most movie goers.

I guess u can call that pandering to fans and making them happy by giving them a moment that will go down in history, okay...if u must and technically I guess it is. But I have to ask u- is that scene really worthy of hate?

It just does so much good I cant I understand singling that scene out as something bad but that's just me. I repect ur opinion even if I wholeheartedly disagree.

I never said I hated the scene I said I rolled my eyes and it didn't work for me. If it inspires little girls thats great but as an adult who knows the real reason and why that scene was put there I indeed begin rolling my eyes. It just came off as pandering to the climate currently going on

 

[Mysteryman]

I never said I hated the scene I said I rolled my eyes and it didn't work for me. If it inspires little girls thats great but as an adult who knows the real reason and why that scene was put there I indeed begin rolling my eyes. It just came off as pandering to the climate currently going on

I don’t think it is pandering as much as it is setting up the possibility of AForce in the future.

 

[Prettyricky]

I don’t think it is pandering as much as it is setting up the possibility of AForce in the future.

Which Im fine with if it leads to an all female avengers film. If it doesn't then welll

 

[MahvelBaby!]

That moment got some of the most deafening roars. It was awesome.

 

[Web-Head]

Wasn’t Katherine Langford supposed to be in the movie? I didn’t see her or did I miss her? Maybe her part was cut?

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I didn't see her either

 

[OroroGambitFan]

I never said I hated the scene I said I rolled my eyes and it didn't work for me. If it inspires little girls thats great but as an adult who knows the real reason and why that scene was put there I indeed begin rolling my eyes. It just came off as pandering to the climate currently going on

One mans 'pandeering' is another man's 'o'opportunity to showcase diversity in an awesome exciting way'-- I guess its all about perspective.

As a father of three daughters I cant help but be influenced by that so perhaps I'm biased. But in this case I'm glad I have that view and equally glad the Russos didnt see things like you. But to each his or her own... No rights or wrongs here. But I do feel thankful the scene was there-- and my little girls loved it!

 

[daddydivine]

I never said I hated the scene I said I rolled my eyes and it didn't work for me. If it inspires little girls thats great but as an adult who knows the real reason and why that scene was put there I indeed begin rolling my eyes. It just came off as pandering to the climate currently going on

This is a very hot take. The last hour of the movie is considered fan service... you are pointing out one instance of said fan service and literally saying it wasn't put in for fans. I personally feel this line of thinking leads to the Black Panther hot take.

 

[Iceman]

Is this really their last?

For now yes, but they have repeatedly dropped strong hints about being willing to come back when (if) Marvel do Secret Wars (and also seemed to express some interest when it became apparent that rights to the Fox characters were coming back).

 

[Mysteryman]

Which Im fine with if it leads to an all female avengers film. If it doesn't then welll

For me , it was GREAT.
We have had ten plus years of the guys being in charge. Nothing wrong with a moment that says that in the MCU, the women can be just as powerful.

 

[Prettyricky]

This is a very hot take. The last hour of the movie is considered fan service... you are pointing out one instance of said fan service and literally saying it wasn't put in for fans. I personally feel this line of thinking leads to the Black Panther hot take.

Im not calling it fan service though, it was an odd shot in the middle of the final battle. Pepper was fighting with tony in the air, did she say to tony Ill be right back the women are grouping together for a charge?

And its not like these women were downplayed in past movies ether. they were all legit badasses who could hold there own with the men.

 

[Iceman]

That moment got some of the most deafening roars. It was awesome.

Yes, one of my favourite parts.

 

[Prettyricky]

For me , it was GREAT.
We have had ten plus years of the guys being in charge. Nothing wrong with a moment that says that in the MCU, the women can be just as powerful.

But the women have all been right there too the whole time when you look back starting with ironman 2. Heck pepper even killed the bad guy in ironman 3. I can see if someone had beef with just thor, cap and stark fighting thanos as well before the others showed up.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

It was also the moment a character that was missing really hit home for me too

 

[Iceman]

But the women have all been right there too the whole time when you look back starting with ironman 2. Heck pepper even killed the bad guy in ironman 3. I can see if someone had beef with just thor, cap and stark fighting thanos as well before the others showed up.

I don’t really see why someone would have a beef with Thor, Cap and Iron Man fighting together or an all melee-character scene or a long range beam-based character scene (end of AoU) or an all-flyers scene or a NY-based characters scene or an ex villain-turned-hero scene etc. Any group of characters with a similar bond/linking attribute can have a natural reason for a joint scene IMO. And if a load of women loved this scene do you really want to take it away from them? I totally loved it myself, especially how more and more of them kept appearing as they continued getting closer to impact.

 

[Prettyricky]

I don’t really see why someone would have a beef with Thor, Cap and Iron Man fighting together or an all melee-character scene or an all-flyers scene or a NY-based characters scene or an ex villain-turned-hero scene etc. Any group of characters with a similar bond/linking attribute can have a natural reason for a joint scene IMO. And if a load of women loved this scene do you really want to take it away from them? I totally loved it myself, especially how more and more of them kept appearing as they continued getting closer to impact.

Not taking anything away from anyone, just saying the shot didn't work. Its ok to not like a shot or scene

 

[Iceman]

Not taking anything away from anyone, just saying the shot didn't work. Its ok to not like a shot or scene

Ok but that’s a different criticism to rolling your eyes because of pandering. Rhodey: I think you should lead with that next time.

 

[dennis_3107]

But it is awkward though in that battle setting wouldnt you think?

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They were shot at moments ago when Thanos ship rained on them, Captain Marvel destroy the ship, everyone is recovering? It could have been everyone coming to Capt's aid, but now it was only the women. They barely knew who she was and they just said hey she just got the gauntlet, lets regroup with her? And only women thought that? Or did someone radio to the team saying all the girls help captain marvel. It's awkward, it's clunky, hence some might feel it is pandering.

 

[redhawk23]

I think he was commenting about an earlier post about MARVEL STUDIOS relationship with their directors. He meant that Endgame doesn't work because of the control Marvel excercised on previous films' directors. It works because it works.

That's a bingo. Endgame works like gangbusters. But that's because it was written in reaction to what had come before, not because what had come before was restricted or particularly carefully constructed.

 

[redhawk23]

There are a lot, and I do mean a LOT of people that think Endgame works just fine. I would go so far as to say a VAST majority. Not saying your opinion isn't valid... all I'm saying is if everybody likes cake but you dont that doesn't mean something is wrong with cake.

Sorry if my wording wasn't clear. What I meant was that qualities of Endgame weren't the product of restrictions placed on the earlier films but rather skillfull writing on this one. That same focus could have been applied to whatever iteration of the earlier films would have been made. The good things about Endgame aren't the product of studio heads forcing out Edgar Wright, trying to take things in a different direction and then mostly using his script anyways etc. The best of these films have always been the product of filmmakers with strong voices engaging with these characters.