Endgame Official Avengers: Endgame News & Speculation Thread!

[Octavias]

I have a long range theory.
It won’t come until the end of the next phase at the earliest and probably later than that.... they will focus on diversified heroes right now, but i do think

Spoiler

that before they reboot the mcu and maybe as a tool to do so, we will see RDJ in the mcu again, but not as the heroic Iron man, but rather as an MCU version of the villainous Magus.... where tony stark inadvertently split off his good and evil sides instead of adam warlock, creating a secondary infinity crisis event...

I think the ramifications of The hulk, captain america and iron man’s uses of the gauntlet or gems all will have major unexpected negative impacts in the future... from Kang to mutants, and culminating in a reboot event that will cast the original hero as the final villain...

 

[Octavias]

I have a long range theory.
It won’t come until the end of the next phase at the earliest and probably later than that.... they will focus on diversified heroes right now, but i do think

Spoiler

that before they reboot the mcu and maybe as a tool to do so, we will see RDJ in the mcu again, but not as the heroic Iron man, but rather as an MCU version of the villainous Magus.... where tony stark inadvertently split off his good and evil sides instead of adam warlock, creating a secondary infinity crisis event...

I think the ramifications of The hulk, captain america and iron man’s uses of the gauntlet or gems all will have major unexpected negative impacts in the future... from Kang to mutants, and culminating in a reboot event that will cast the original hero as the final villain...

 

[terry78]

Robert Downey Jr. Shares Women Of Marvel Studios Lunch Photo

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Man plot holes or not ...I freaking love time travel logic discussions it gets crazy.

 

[KevTravels]

I'm gonna go check it out for a 2nd time tomorrow morning.

Btw any news updates on the Disney Plus series. Like are they set to go in production by year's end or sometime next year?

 

[markjoedelonge]

No 3D version? That sucks.

Also, this was a good read: https://nerdist.com/article/avengers-endgame-thor-arc/

Thanks for that, it really put into words why I loved Thor's arc in this movie.

 

[thalidomide]

Hopefully, they release all the movies in the Infinity Saga on a Blu-Ray boxset. I will buy that in a heartbeat since most of my MCU films are on DVD since I'm having second thoughts on buying a Blu-Ray player.

 

[Shuri]

Spoiler

That's exactly what happened

 

[COCOS]

some guy just did a review with every plotholes in this movie & its really embarrasing for the russos,the writers & feigie

personnally i dont care about plotholes in this movie since the last hour is so amazing...the whole battle is so crazy in imax...

 

[harlequinade]

some guy just did a review with every plotholes in this movie & its really embarrasing for the russos,the writers & feigie

personnally i dont care about plotholes in this movie since the last hour is so amazing...the whole battle is so crazy in imax...

Yes, i am sure it is lol

That guy's parents must be proud

 

[samsnee]

I’m thinking most probably aren’t plot holes but nitpicks.

 

[Spider-Fan]

some guy just did a review with every plotholes in this movie & its really embarrasing for the russos,the writers & feigie

personnally i dont care about plotholes in this movie since the last hour is so amazing...the whole battle is so crazy in imax...

Yeah, that guy is going to derail what will potentially be the highest grossing film in history with his "plot holes" (whatever they are). Truly embarrassing

 

[Dark Raven]

Avengers midnight screening exposed to worst villain of all: Measles

"Mr. Stark, I don't feel so good."

 

[Silver Surfer]

some guy just did a review with every plotholes in this movie & its really embarrasing for the russos,the writers & feigie

Yeah, a 95% RT score, A+ Cinemascore, and what is about to be the #1 Boxoffice grosser in the history of cinema. They should just off themselves, the shame might be too much to live with...

 

[harlequinade]

Feige rn:

 

[psylockolussus]

Spoiler

That's exactly what happened

Where's Betty Ross?

 

[Shuri]

some guy just did a review with every plotholes in this movie & its really embarrasing for the russos,the writers & feigie

personnally i dont care about plotholes in this movie since the last hour is so amazing...the whole battle is so crazy in imax...

I'm sure the Russos are too ashamed to show their face.

 

[Shuri]

Where's Betty Ross?

Alternate timeline. Same place The Incredible Hulk is, and Edward Norton is Bruce Banner.

 

[harlequinade]

I'm sure the Russos are too ashamed to show their face.

 

[The_Manhunter]

I suppose Marvel panders to white guys by casting so many damn Chris' in their films

It wasn't horrible for me. I loved that shot. It was BadAss. I just wished it had gone on a bit more. Or if we had a shot of some of the female characters awkwardly introducing themselves in the battle (but I guess we got too much of that in Infinity War, so this time it was strictly business).

Pandering? So social Justice crowd is another word for black people? When they put a white actor on the poster to draw in fans from their franchise, which group would you say they are pandering to?

It's pandering when they do it not because it enhances the story or represents the movie accurately, but just to say "Oh look, we represented this group!"

How many times in a super hero film or movie in general is there a group shot of men going into action... Explain the lack of any issues with that.

Also... Explain what the pandering is about? What is the end point exactly and why is it an issue if it's done?

There are no issues with that because that's who was on the team at the time. The women were not the only people on the team at the time. It was out of place and took me out of the movie. The issue with pandering like that is it is political in nature. Am I against more female characters and stories? Of course not - I loved the Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel movies. But that's because they focused on telling a good story first rather than hitting you over the head with a political agenda.

TL;DR - Please separate politics and movies. I may even agree with your politics (I'm certainly not a sexist or racist of any kind, I can give you my voting records and discuss my political history if you want), but fictional movies are supposed to be an escape from real life, not a platform to voice political opinions.

 

[BringMeThanos]

It's pandering when they do it not because it enhances the story or represents the movie accurately, but just to say "Oh look, we represented this group!"

There are no issues with that because that's who was on the team at the time. The women were not the only people on the team at the time. It was out of place and took me out of the movie. The issue with pandering like that is it is political in nature. Am I against more female characters and stories? Of course not - I loved the Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel movies. But that's because they focused on telling a good story first rather than hitting you over the head with a political agenda.

TL;DR - Please separate politics and movies. I may even agree with your politics (I'm certainly not a sexist or racist of any kind, I can give you my voting records and discuss my political history if you want), but fictional movies are supposed to be an escape from real life, not a platform to voice political opinions.

YOU are making it a political agenda by thinking that a group of women is pandering and a group of men is normal. YOU are the one whose thinking its "out of character" because your AGENDA whether subconscious or not is that women are out of place. This is sexism whether you want to label it that yourself or not, whether its malicious in intent or not.

 

[BringMeThanos]

It saddens me to see such reactions. People only consider it pandering because its not what they consider "normal". Its unconscious bias/sexism/racism, I can't even blame the people some times as its just so engrained. You'll watch 1000 scenes of white men doing amazing action/dialogue scenes together in the MCU and as soon as a women or group of women do something similar you'll question whether it was natural. Or say it looked out of place. Well no cheesedip it looked out of place because you are so used to being spoonfed male scenes that you think its the norm.

 

[baerrtt]

It saddens me to see such reactions. People only consider it pandering because its not what they consider "normal". Its unconscious bias/sexism/racism, I can't even blame the people some times as its just so engrained. You'll watch 1000 scenes of white men doing amazing action/dialogue scenes together in the MCU and as soon as a women or group of women do something similar you'll question whether it was natural. Or say it looked out of place. Well no cheesedip it looked out of place because you are so used to being spoonfed male scenes that you think its the norm.

Hopefully the generation of white kids and boys growing up with today's more diverse blockbusters won't have the pathetic hangups and entitlement a minority of fans and film bros have displayed over this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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It's pandering when they do it not because it enhances the story or represents the movie accurately, but just to say "Oh look, we represented this group!"

There are no issues with that because that's who was on the team at the time. The women were not the only people on the team at the time. It was out of place and took me out of the movie. The issue with pandering like that is it is political in nature. Am I against more female characters and stories? Of course not - I loved the Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel movies. But that's because they focused on telling a good story first rather than hitting you over the head with a political agenda.

TL;DR - Please separate politics and movies. I may even agree with your politics (I'm certainly not a sexist or racist of any kind, I can give you my voting records and discuss my political history if you want), but fictional movies are supposed to be an escape from real life, not a platform to voice political opinions.

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Then you have disqualified many great pieces of art from literally the beginning of human history,if you think art of any kind is only legitimate if separated from other influences like politics. Some films are escapist, but, well, take things like the original Star Trek or The Twighlight Zone. By the standards you are setting a good chunk of their episodes should never have been made at all. Planet Of The Apes (Original or the new trilogy), Spartacus, The Defiant Ones, In The Heat Of The Night, To Kill A Mockingbird, even The Lord Of The Rings in the context of their life as books were made partially in response to their author's experience with the First World War alongside his despair at the changes industrialization were bringing to England and thus has a socio-political aspect, which due to the fealty the film versions had carried over to the big screen. Nothing I listed were thought of as niche art house fair. All were made for mass audience consumption in their day. I'm sorry but this arbitrary standard you have set flys in the face of how a lot of popular entertainment has actually been produced, consumed and analyzed for centuries.

And what is this distinction about "teams"? So... The shot would be more palitable if they all were card carrying Avengers?

Look, the film doesn't live or die on the basis of that one moment, and I am sure it doesn't truly affect your own assessment of the film itself either. But the fact that it vexes so many enough to continually be brought up is perplexing in the extreme for myself.

Given that there are more male Super types if that had played out the same exact way with the same dialog and it had been all guys doing that charge it would pass by without comment from some corners. And honestly... If we are gonna complain about pandering then the whole film needs to be judged by that same standard because "fan service" was this film's middle name.


On a final note... No, one doesn't have to agree with the point of view you may believe a piece of art is expressing in some fashion. But claiming there is a kind of delegitimization because something has a POV is a curious position.

 

[Naglfar]