The Dark Knight Rises OFFICIAL: Batman in Los Angeles - Part 2

[Boom]

Then he could have blown out the front tires. Or created a barricade with the Tumbler - forcing the garbage truck to stop. Something other than running head-on into the guy.

While he probably didn't intend to kill him, it doesn't take a genius to recognize the probable fatality presented in that scenario.

 

[infamous]

That justifies him being reckless and committing blatant acts of manslaughter?

"Reckless" and "Batman" do not belong together. Period.

Lol, put yourself in Bats position.. what perfect way would you have done things?

What he was saying was that he's only human and not perfect as nobody is. A big reason we love Batman, as stoic and admirable as he is. He is not perfect.

 

[craigdbfan]

I'm sure his intentions wasn't to kill the person.

He just wanted to stop him.

He didn't realize that by crashing head on with the Tumbler that he'd completely destroy and probably kill the driver?

Surely he knew the effect of ramming a fortified armored car against a trash truck would do.

 

[infamous]

boom, you seem like a cynic that got board on michael bay message boards.

 

[dark_b]

For someone who doesn't kill, Batman sure is careless with lives in these films.

can we agree that in context of TDKR it will not be a problem? Bane made gotham a prison and is destroyingthe city ?what if the only way to stop him is to kill him? what if the only way to stop teh truck is to destroy him?

 

[KRIM]

I'm sure his intentions wasn't to kill the person.

He just wanted to stop him.

You've got to be completely dense if that is how you rationalize that scenario. He drove head-on into the guy, knowing full well he was riding in a military grade tank that could break through concrete barriers. He absolutely knew he'd be doing immense damage. If he didn't, he knew soon as he saw that the entire front roof had been crushed, surely killing the driver.

 

[Boom]

boom, you seem like a cynic that got board on michael bay message boards.

I'm afraid I don't follow.

Batman spent years training his mind and body, so that he could go about his mission without having to resort to killing (his "one rule," remember?). He's a tactician, strategist, and overall genius. That's just who the character is - dictated by decades worth of material. So you will have to forgive me for believing that someone like Batman could have found another, non-lethal way to stop that garbage truck as opposed to "LOL TUMBLER SMASH!!!1"

 

[jonathancrane]

Have we really returned to the debate of killing vs. setting up circumstances that lead to death vs. saving lives, but stopping the villain? It's amazing what a drought in information will do.

It's only a matter of time before the blurple debate restarts...

anyway, I enjoyed reading the reports from the ninjas. It's interesting reading about how a director works on the set.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Thanks infamous, Hunter Rider, and DigitalKill.

 

[infamous]

You've got to be completely dense if that is how you rationalize that scenario. He drove head-on into the guy, knowing full well he was riding in a military grade tank that could break through concrete barriers. He absolutely knew he'd be doing immense damage. If he didn't, he knew soon as he saw that the entire front roof had been crushed, surely killing the driver.

Being put in a situation when you ACT fast and stop people ASAP is how i rationalize a casuality here and there. How do you rationalize being THAT petty watching a MOVIE?

 

[infamous]

I'm afraid I don't follow.

Batman spent years training his mind and body, so that he could go about his mission without having to resort to killing (his "one rule," remember?). He's a tactician, strategist, and overall genius. That's just who the character is - dictated by decades worth of material. So you will have to forgive me for believing that someone like Batman could have found another, non-lethal way to stop that garbage truck as opposed to "LOL TUMBLER SMASH!!!1"

This is where I tell you its a blockbuster action movie that demands such crashes, and you tell me that it could have been a car without anyone in it that blew up. You have to realize that Joker wanted chaos.. destruction, death and dispare and he succeeded here and there in that sense.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

"Damn good television."

That's how Wayne described his crazy driving in Batman Begins to an extremely agitated Alfred. That's just how this version of Batman rolls...not the greatest detective, reckless with vehicles.

 

[infamous]

Bruce still uses Ra's ideals that was taught to him such as "do whats necessary for the greater good".. to a certain extent.

 

[KRIM]

Being put in a situation when you ACT fast and stop people ASAP is how i rationalize a casuality here and there. How do you rationalize being THAT petty watching a MOVIE?

"I think big explosions take precedence over established character traits. LOL why can't you just enjoy the action instead of paying attention?"

 

[Travesty]

"Damn good television."

That's how Wayne described his crazy driving in Batman Begins to an extremely agitated Alfred. That's just how this version of Batman rolls...not the greatest detective, reckless with vehicles.

Ha, yeah, it should go without saying, that Nolan's Batman really doesn't care about highway safety in The Tumbler/Bat-pod. He crushed cop cars, threw little bombs at cops, crushed cars in a parking lot to escape by demolishing rooftops, to crashing through railings and gates, along with crashing into a parking lot in TDK, by taking out cars and then taking even more out with his rockets, and then while in The Bat-pod, fires a rocket at cars, just so he has a path, and also shooting blindly at a glass window of a mall so he can get through.t:

Roads? Where Batman's going he doesn't need roads....or walls and cars.

 

[Boom]

"I think big explosions take precedence over established character traits. LOL why can't you just enjoy the action instead of paying attention?"

And I'm the one who frequents Michael Bay forums ?

 

[Blue Sugar]

The trash truck thing was more of a causaulty than a kill and certainly not an execution. Heat of the moment.

I though you guys were just having a laugh with all the "Batman doesn't care about lives" stuff. Yeah he breaks his rule, mostly when "not saving Ra's" and when killing Dent but it still defines him and his decisions. It's not yet broken in that sense.

 

[infamous]

Magnar was being sarcastic but in that scene. Bruce pretty much explained it and ofcourse he said more than just "damn good television".

 

[Boom]

The trash truck thing was more of a causaulty than a kill and certainly not an execution. Heat of the moment.

I though you guys were just having a laugh with all the "Batman doesn't care about lives" stuff. Yeah he breaks his rule, mostly when "not saving Ra's" and when killing Dent but it still defines him and his decisions. It's not yet broken in that sense.

So he breaks his rule, even though they made a big deal in TDK about how he won't break it. Glad we're on the same page.

And how was that a casualty? Batman directly attacked him. His actions directly resulted in a deadly scenario. It wasn't an accidental casualty. It was manslaughter - at best.

His rule is "I will not kill." It's not "I will not kill, unless I'm too lazy to think up another scenario that doesn't involve me endangering lives and killing people 'in the heat of the moment.'"

Nope. It's "I will not kill." Whether it be murder, or manslaughter. It's that simple, guys.

 

[infamous]

I can honestly say if something like that bugged me as much as its bugging you, I couldn't enjoy begins or TDK at all.

 

[Boom]

It's a major problem, but in an otherwise damn-good film.

 

[batbax]

He also "let people die" just by not taking off his mask and turning himself in. Technically, just by being batman, people are dying. Not sure exactly how far we are supposed to go with this. To quote Peter griffin the whole argument is rather "shallow and pedantic"

 

[KRIM]

People are going far with it? Bats drove himself into the guy. That's as direct as can be. The question should be 'how closer can it get?'.

The only people getting their panties in a twist are those that can't bear to see it as a gaping contradiction, and pretending those who point it out are reaching.

 

[Travesty]

I can honestly say if something like that bugged me as much as its bugging you, I couldn't enjoy begins or TDK at all.

When people have a more "critical eye" about things, it normally means they have a higher tolerance to what will ultimately ruin an experience/product. Just because some people are able to dissect and talk about things in great detail, doesn't mean the entire product is spoiled.

 

[itsthebatman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXpDE7aNN50
2:40
Yeah, that's gotta hurt.
In what is a poorly edited scene anyway...