Official Batman Titles thread 2.0 - - - Part 12

[El Bastardo]

Talon.

 

[Mani-Man]

Why does that kid on the last page of The Dark Knight #0 have a Superman shirt on? In this new history, Batman predates Superman by several years. Continuity gaff?

Yes that makes no sense,but i think thats the purpose of the reboot.........making no sense and messing up stuff that was alright!

isnt the dark knight 00 at least 8 years before bruce becomes batman?

 

[Mystirious]

Loved Inc 0# perhaps my favorite issue of the series to date.

Hurray for Aussie Superheroes!

Aussie superheroes ftw!

The Squire having a crush on him was adorable as well

I really dug Batman Inc issue zero this week I thought it was a really neat and well done issue seeing how some of the Batmen around the world joined

I loved seeing Man of Bats and Raven Red again too

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes that makes no sense,but i think thats the purpose of the reboot.........making no sense and messing up stuff that was alright!

isnt the dark knight 00 at least 8 years before bruce becomes batman?

Grant Morrison's probably gonna write a story about how the "S" symbol has been repeated throughout history in all cultures as part of some genetic memory from when Superman time-traveled to the Stone Age in a few years.

 

[Saint]

Well, based on the timestamps in the zero issues, Didio was either lying about Batman having been active for any significant amount of time before Superman or changed his mind about it after the fact.

 

[RoughNTumble]

they probly don't even pay that much attention tbqh

 

[Mystirious]

Grant Morrison's probably gonna write a story about how the "S" symbol has been repeated throughout history in all cultures as part of some genetic memory from when Superman time-traveled to the Stone Age in a few years.

This story must be written

In which Superman is cast back in time only to discover that Lex Luthor has travelled back in time to the dawn of man, taught the apes the ways of villainy and shaved them all bald

That big black thing in 2001: a space odyssey is Lex's giant super science iPod

And Superman must gather a team of apes in capes to fight Lex and his apes of evil

 

[HighFivingMF]

I'd buy a book about the happenings in the line of gorillas waiting to get shaved by Lex Luthor.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Monolith.
Cue music, apes beating each other with tools, etcetera


Never mention the works of Kubrick again. Unless it's Dr.Strangelove.

 

[Mystirious]

Not a Kubrick fan Oberon?

What about The Shining that films good too

I'd buy a book about the happenings in the line of gorillas waiting to get shaved by Lex Luthor.

It would be the greatest comic book of our time about a man shaving apes

 

[Anubis]

Don't forget a clockwork orange.

 

[CConn]

The greatest thing about that movie was how incredibly sleezy it seemed.

It legitimately felt like I was watching porn the entire time.

 

[RoughNTumble]

singin in the rain

just singin in the rain

what a glorious feeling

im happy again

 

[Roose Bolton]

Not a Kubrick fan Oberon?

What about The Shining that films good too



It would be the greatest comic book of our time about a man shaving apes

It's not that I'm not a Kubrick fan it's just that...This conversation can no longer serve any purpose Dave.Goodbye.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Yikes @ the new Catwoman origin. Horribly written issue and basically combines ALL of Selina's origins including the Batman Returns one.

 

[Assassin]

the more i read about this cluster **** the more i believe that this isn't a permanent universe.

 

[Robin91939]

Teen Titans #0 was a total mixed bag.

They appear to be off on the total wrong foot in the first 4 pages. It looks like Bruce is recruiting Tim, and that Tim isn't actively seeking the role of Robin.

Then they turn it around, and take the classic approach -- with an interesting twist. Tim is seeking Batman out, and doing well at it -- but Bruce catches on and starts to leave his own clues for Tim to follow.... but is still impressed by Tim's skills.

Seemingly discouraged by Batman's refusal of taking him as a partner, Tim uses his considerable hacker skills to get Batman's attention. He hacks into the Cobblepot's bank account and steals Penguin's entire fortune. This doesn't only get Batman's attention, but the attention of Penguin and his men. A gang shoots up Tim's house -- causing Batman to intervene, saving Tim and his family.

So far, it's not awful... They've changed his origin considerably, and the Cobblepot involvement felt forced. His abilities as a Olympic level gymnast were also "off" to me. Tim was never a super athlete, that was Dick. Tim was just overly ambitious, always trying to prove himself. Here, they execute that -- making Tim want to prove himself to Batman, as well as his own parents... But they still feel the need to make him over confident and perfect at everything -- this is not who Tim Drake is.

Still, I was about 17-18 pages into this re-telling of the Tim Drake origin, and I wasn't hating it. I didn't love it, it's no A Lonely Place of Dying, but it's not pure ****.

Then the last 2-3 pages happen.

Spoiler Alert:

Batman has to strike a deal with the Justice Department (not Bruce Wayne, Batman). Batman gets Tim's parents into the witness protection program, to protect them from Cobblepot's pursuit. Tim's parents, however, don't want Tim to have a life of anonymity or have to live on the run -- so they relinquish their son to Batman (again, not Bruce Wayne). They just give custody of their son over to a man who runs around in his bat pajamas and thrashes criminals on what? Good faith? Did he reveal he was a secret billionaire somewhere off panel? What the hell? This is totally contrived and wreaks of "we have 5 pages of story to tell and only 3 more pages to do it!" So they just went for something easy and not something smart.

Okay -- so that's pretty awful. Tim's parents enter the witness protection program, and give their son to a complete stranger who is mentally insane -- no questions asked.

But that's not all! Tim decides he isn't going to wear Jason Todd's Robin suit. Fine, okay. Honor the dead. He then goes on to reveal his own uniform. (Essentially the Robin suit we saw him wear pre-New 52, with the red leggings). He calls himself the Red Robin. Alright, I'll live with the change. But that's when the bomb drops. The last panel shows Batman and Red Robin -- in an iconic splash.

The captions read: "His name is now Tim Drake. He is Red Robin. And I was right, he was going to forge his own destiny."

What the hell?!

His name is now Tim Drake? As in -- that's not who he was before he came under Wayne's guidance. Tim Drake is now not Tim Drake's identity, but rather his cover and alias that he is assigned as he joins the witness protection program and moves in with Bruce Wayne! He's not ACTUALLY Tim Drake? What the hell, man? So now we're going to be left with the mystery of who he actually is.... will it be revealed in a few years that his original name was....John Blake? Or some other name that will either relate him to a villain or a hero in the DCU? It's stupid, it's forced, it's unnecessary.

They changed Tim to the point that well, they got what they wanted -- he's not Tim anymore. His character is too perfect. He's too good at everything. He is to sure of himself and too good an athlete. They took away Jack and Janet Drake from the character. No more is he the son of a single father who's mother passed. And later, the son of a loving father and a loving stepmother, Dana.

His normal homelife was part of Tim's appeal. He wasn't a soldier in Bruce's war who was enlisted -- he volunteered. And it was the sneaking around his Dad and stepmom that made it even more interesting and exciting. He didn't live at Wayne Manor -- that was something that separated him from the other Robins. What Lobdell has done here is make Tim a copy of Dick -- and that's exactly what Tim was NOT supposed to be.

They have taken and ruined one of the best characters in the Batfamily, if not the DCU and made him lackluster and ordinary.

Good job.

-R

 

[El Bastardo]

Yeah, I saw most of that revealed in an interview Lobdell gave earlier in the week over at CBR.

Lobdell decided he wanted to have Tim's parents still be around but essentially inaccessible for purposes of internal strife, and with the WitSec piece added in it'd mean that the Drake name or the whole Tim Drake name is an adopted cover identity.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm so glad I stopped caring about Tim a few years ago.

 

[Lord]

Well, based on the timestamps in the zero issues, Didio was either lying about Batman having been active for any significant amount of time before Superman or changed his mind about it after the fact.

The zero issues say at which point they take place?

 

[Saint]

the more i read about this cluster **** the more i believe that this isn't a permanent universe.

You're kidding yourself.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Yikes @ the new Catwoman origin. Horribly written issue and basically combines ALL of Selina's origins including the Batman Returns one.

Catwoman's 0 issue was straight up terrible.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

They combined all her origins? So she's a prostitute-turned-cat-thief who died and was reborn by the power of strays somewhere along the line now?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

There was no prostitution involved. Basically she was a street orphan that got recruited into some seemingly altruistic corporate program that gave street kids jobs, which turned out to be not so altruistic. She did something to piss them off (I think it was looking through their computer files? It wasn't very clear), which led them to chuck her off a roof. Then yeah, she was licked back to life by cats.

Oh, and her real name may not actually be Selina Kyle. She might be Russian. Because apparently DC likes to change characters' names now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow. That sounds really stupid.