Official Contest of Marvels II Discussion Thread

[hippy fascist]

What are the abttles for next round?

look at the brackets, the 5-9th characters in each bracket are your matches

 

[Phaedrus45]

I'm going to start working on the Threads soon. It's such a crazy weekend for me. Tomorrow I have a good friend's funeral to go to. Saturday is an early Halloween party for my kids. Then, a family member died, and have that funeral on Sunday. I'll try to get on the best I can to do my debates.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Just a reminder. It takes awhile to get all the brackets posted. So, please don't post anything until I make notice in this thread that Debating May Begin.

 

[kytrigger]

Just a reminder. It takes awhile to get all the brackets posted. So, please don't post anything until I make notice in this thread that Debating May Begin.

HA!!! Take that Iceman/Psylocke!

 

[Phaedrus45]

Debating May Begin!

 

[Iceman]

Just a reminder. It takes awhile to get all the brackets posted. So, please don't post anything until I make notice in this thread that Debating May Begin.

Ohhh sorry

 

[Iceman]

HA!!! Take that Iceman/Psylocke!

Wait till I get you in a match up




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I'm getting confused , are there two triggers in this tourny?

 

[kytrigger]

Wait till I get you in a match up




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I'm getting confused , are there two triggers in this tourny?

Yeah, there's Trigger, and me, KYtrigger. We both have the same awesome taste in names.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, there's Trigger, and me, KYtrigger. We both have the same awesome taste in names.

The original Trigger (one of my current opponents I think) is obviously superior

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I'm somewhat surprised Heimdall didn't win. Since this was Pre-Annihilation Nova, I remember all of Richard Ryder's appearances in New Warriors and his miniseries. He never stood out as someone who could take on an Asgardian. But, the same thing happened last season. The Asgardian's aren't well known, and I think they tend to get dismissed. In my mind, Heimdall would take Nova easily. But, Nova didn't fair too well the first season, if I remember right. I think voters are still thinking of Nova's potential, which he is finally starting to show in Annihilation. (The same thing happened season 1 with Scarlet Witch. She made it farther than she possibly should have due to Disassembled and House Of M...even though JH stressed it isn't that character.)

I don't know if it was my debating skills but that was one battle I thought Heimdall should have won but as you say I felt that Annihilation and the popularity of the character was working against me. Plus Nova is close enough to make a victory of his plausible, allowing Darthphere to debate him well.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I'm going to start working on the Threads soon. It's such a crazy weekend for me. Tomorrow I have a good friend's funeral to go to. Saturday is an early Halloween party for my kids. Then, a family member died, and have that funeral on Sunday. I'll try to get on the best I can to do my debates.

Sorry to hear that. my condolonces.

 

[JewishHobbit]

So what's the location this week? I tried to find it but couldn't I fail

 

[Phaedrus45]

LOCATION: ATTILAN

Attilan is the ancestral home of the Inhumans, a highly advanced offshoot of the human race. About seven thousand years ago, the Inhumans grew tired of centuries of persecution by their more primitive parent race, and decided to create a place of refuge for themselves. Under the leadership of King Myran, the Inhumans chose as a site for their city a small island in the northern Atlantic Ocean, located about two hundred miles southwest of Iceland. The city, which took several decades to complete, was named Attilan, a name derived from Atlantis, the former pinnacle of civilization on Earth that had vanished beneath the sea about three millennia before. Attilan has been the sole center of the Inhuman population ever since.
For millennia, the Inhumans dwelled in Attilan, isolated from contact with mainstream humanity except for an occasional encounter with a lost Greek or Viking sailing vessel. Finally, in the mid-Twentieth Century, with the advent of steamships and airplanes, the Inhumans began to fear discovery by the human race. When one of his subjects was captured by human beings, young king Black Bolt determined that the Inhumans must move their civilization to some place more secure. Employing anti-gravity generators, the Inhumans moved their entire city and its foundation in one piece. The new site of Attilan, a hidden valley in the Himalayan Mountain range in China, was excavated by the Eternals, another variant offshoot of humanity. The Himalayan site of Attilan became known as "the Great Refuge." The Himalayas did not prove to be remote enough to enable the Inhumans to retain their secrecy, however, and soon the Inhumans' existence became known to several of the governments of the outside world, although not to the general public. While in the Himalayas, all of Attilan's ancient architecture was accidentally destroyed by Black Bolt and the city has been extensively redesigned and rebuilt.

(SINCE WE JUST HAD THE LAST LOCATION BE THE BLUE AREA OF THE MOON, THIS IS ATTILAN IN THE HIMALAYAS. EVERYTHING IS THERE, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE.)

 

[Phaedrus45]

Sorry about the delay in location. Last year, we had someone volunteer to deal with the posting of locations, and I just haven't trained myself to do that after posting the brackets yet.

 

[hippy fascist]

can you clarify a point for me. We can ask the debators to clarify information, is this in the debate section or the voting and how vague do we have to be (in order to avoid hints etc)

 

[hippy fascist]

also would a character such as say...I don't know...forge, be able to build a satelite pre battle, launch it when he arrived and then use it to track his opponent?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, guys. Like I said, I'm going to try to check in from time to time; but, questions can be answered by JewishHobbit and Wiegeabo, also, when I'm gone. Make sure you are following the rules of the contest. Two important things I want to point out that happened during week 1:

1) Your first debate CANNOT be a rebuttal to your opponents first argument. If your opponent opens the debate, do not reply. First, present your opening argument or tactic how you believe your character can beat your opponent's character. THEN, feel free to refute any claims from your opponent.

2) NO assisting other opponents with their debates. This is hard not to do at times; but, even if your are trying to be helpful, it could come across as tag-teaming another participant. The only times you can assist is if someone has a question, like "I know Speed Demon can go fast, but does anyone have a link telling me how fast he can actually go?" This is a legitimate search for information. Another might be, "I can't find any good information on Armageddon. Anyone know of a site I can go to?" This is alright, because if someone can't find information, it is kind of unfair to them not knowing what to do. (BTW, I had big trouble finding stuff on that character; so, if anyone knows of a good site, it would help both participants out, I think.) Lastly, if you know someone makes an out-and-out false statement, it shouldn't be wrong to correct their mistake. For example, if I said, "Spider-Man can fly," obviously I'm stating something he cannot do....or, it's not the version that is suppose to be used.

Since I'm very busy this week, if anyone notices any problems, just give me a quick assist by PMing that person about what needs to be fixed. I try to not point many problems out in the thread. I do my best not to embarrass anyone, and would appreciate it if nobody else does that too.

Thanks,

Phaedrus45

 

[wiegeabo]

can you clarify a point for me. We can ask the debators to clarify information, is this in the debate section or the voting and how vague do we have to be (in order to avoid hints etc)

This came up a few times last season. It's really hard to say what is out of bounds ahead of time, especially since some of us may not see a problem with the question while others might.

Generally, if there's a problem with a question, we'll just ask you to delete it or edit out any problem parts.

 

[hippy fascist]

This came up a few times last season. It's really hard to say what is out of bounds ahead of time, especially since some of us may not see a problem with the question while others might.

Generally, if there's a problem with a question, we'll just ask you to delete it or edit out any problem parts.

I'm gon' spank yo ass this week! t:

 

[wiegeabo]

also would a character such as say...I don't know...forge, be able to build a satelite pre battle, launch it when he arrived and then use it to track his opponent?

It sort of depends on how well you sell it to the voters. The more extreme or wild your idea, the less likely you'll get the others to agree (unless it was actually done in the comics and you can use that as an example).

Forge is the famous example of this. Last season I was able to pull off a win against Molecule Man because I had Forge come up with some good things. I didn't think they'd be out of line for the characters and apparently convinced enough of the others the same thing. But I wasn't able to do sell it the next match when Forge took on Loki.

The lesson is, if you're going to do something extreme of farfetched, you'd better be able to back up how and why the character does it, and be ready to debate hard because a good opponent will call you on it.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm gon' spank yo ass this week! t:

It's a good thing I decided to ban you from this week's matches!

It'll help avoid the humiliation you'd feel when my characters walk all over yours. :P

 

[hippy fascist]

It's a good thing I decided to ban you from this week's matches!

It'll help avoid the humiliation you'd feel when my characters walk all over yours. :P

*shakes fist in the air*

damn young 'uns and your rap music...

 

[Phaedrus45]

also would a character such as say...I don't know...forge, be able to build a satelite pre battle, launch it when he arrived and then use it to track his opponent?

Like Wiegeabo said, it depends on how you sell it. But, in the example you provided, it wouldn't be that difficult to debate. For example, have you ever seen Forge build a satelite before? Could he do it with only 24 hours preptime...AND, get government clearance to shoot it up into space in that time without starting an international riot (or Civil War)?

 

[wiegeabo]

Quick question about the location. Does this Attilan have the impenetrable forcefield around it?

 

[Phaedrus45]

Quick question about the location. Does this Attilan have the impenetrable forcefield around it?

If your resources say that is what they had normally when it was up in the Himalayas, then go with it.