Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

[Vilya]

Thanks! the scene with Cykes and jean holding hands is so cool!
Will u be ripping X2?

I was ripping a deleted scene from X1 for DoD and thought I'd just rip and upload the Cyke-related scenes as well.

Teaching mechanics:
http://rapidshare.de/files/27386466/X-Men_-_Deleted_Scene_2.avi.html

Extended bedroom conversation:
http://rapidshare.de/files/27385831/X-Men_-_Deleted_Scene_4.avi.html

Showing Logan his uniform:
http://rapidshare.de/files/27384974/X-Men_-_Deleted_Scene_6.avi.html


Enjoy!

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

... CYC+Jean is nice... Yet CYC died... Sigh

 

[ntcrawler]

Agreed.

Demolecularizing him is NOT the answer. Let him be an emotional wreck and therefore unfit to lead for a while. It's happened in the comics and it can happen here too.

Absolutely, as it's obivous he is an emotional wreck! Anyone would be after losing someone so close and precious. I know the feeling. He could try coping but it would be made apparent that he's not going to recover for a long time, not unless some miracle happens.

So just show him ride off for a sabbatical, to go spend time alone at his family cabin in Alaska. That's a convenient way to remove him from the plot for the rest of the movie, but doesn't involve killing him.

Killing him is not only stupid, but it's unneccessary, as Scott has never died in the comics.

It's not so much that he has a character shield like the main cast from Star Trek, but he really has a strong will to survive and live. The fact that he's managed to get this far from his horrific childhood and days as an orphan is proof. To just wipe him out for no good reason adds insult to the character. And yes, not only did he not die in the comics, but Jean certainly did not try to kill him either. Even when fully engulfed by the Dark Phoenix, she did not kill any of her teammates. Alkali Lake was just a cheap and sloppy way to show the audienc: "oooh, look how evil she is".

 

[ntcrawler]

Don't forget Batman Begins, Sin City, and V For Vendetta too. All of those were faithful comic book/graphic novel adaptations, and all did fairly well in the box office and are critically acclaimed.

You're correct, of course. I haven't seen Batman Begins and did not read the Sin City comics so I wouldn't be able to comment on how faithfully they were adapted.

I like to use LOTR of an example because the entire production staff understood the magnitude of their project as well as the responsibility they were carrying on their shoulders. They knew that if they did it wrong, not only would the film be a potential bomb but that they would have to deal with an angry lynch mob carrying torches and pitchforks. The script was constantly being rewritten, several thousand times with reference books always within arm's reach during the entire production, and even the director of the Weta Workship who produced all the costumes, sets and props told his staff to treat this like the most important project they would ever work on.

It is a shame that this franchise did not get a similar treatment, although X1 and X2 tended to hit more than they miss. X3 might be successful in the box office as far as profit, but to alot of people, it's definitely a miss.

The troll is just talking out of his ass and is probably a worker for Tom Rothman as well.

Like "The Batman" said in an earlier post, don't let it discourage us!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

You're correct, of course. I haven't seen Batman Begins and did not read the Sin City comics so I wouldn't be able to comment on how faithfully they were adapted.

I like to use LOTR of an example because the entire production staff understood the magnitude of their project as well as the responsibility they were carrying on their shoulders. They knew that if they did it wrong, not only would the film be a potential bomb but that they would have to deal with an angry lynch mob carrying torches and pitchforks. The script was constantly being rewritten, several thousand times with reference books always within arm's reach during the entire production, and even the director of the Weta Workship who produced all the costumes, sets and props told his staff to treat this like the most important project they would ever work on.

It is a shame that this franchise did not get a similar treatment, although X1 and X2 tended to hit more than they miss. X3 might be successful in the box office as far as profit, but to alot of people, it's definitely a miss.




Like "The Batman" said in an earlier post, don't let it discourage us!

You haven't seen Batman Begins?!!!! WHY?!!!!

 

[ntcrawler]

You haven't seen Batman Begins?!!!! WHY?!!!!

Um... Um... Been too busy? hehe

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Um... Um... Been too busy? hehe

Unacceptable answer.

 

[jcykeson]

the saddest thing is, the Cyclops characterization, the Phoenix saga.. it all totally deviates from the real X-men universe.. and we've come to love with that X~verse compared to the movies that just simply didn't justify it.

 

[hue]

Just saw Superman. Boy did they do Marsden justice. It was as though Singer was going out of his way to make up for the x-men debacle. Makes me wonder if Singer had to do what he did in the other films. He truly redemed Marsden and it appears Marsden actually got the girl this time, though that is kind of vague.

Of course Cyclops has yet to be redeemed.

Anyway, I was thinking it would have been great if Singer had directed some kind of scene that poked fun at X-men. For example when they were all trapped underwater. Perhaps they could have had Marsden put his hand to his ear pretending the visors were there attempting to blow the door off. In the dvd extras, perhaps he could be seen to say " Oh, wrong movie". That would have been funny.

I didn't think Superman was that great, but what they did for Marsden was. So the movie was good.

 

[My Red Sight]

I was watching the extra disk for X2, and one of the cast members, kelly Hu, said that James Marsden is a "Nut." He sounds like a fun person.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

Don't forget Batman Begins, Sin City, and V For Vendetta too. All of those were faithful comic book/graphic novel adaptations, and all did fairly well in the box office and are critically acclaimed.

The troll is just talking out of his ass and is probably a worker for Tom Rothman as well.

lets be fair... V and Sin were really faithful and Batman was kinda sorta faithful... it was just dark and fans wanted that. X-Men wasn't faithful at all, and though there were small similarities between God Loves, Man Kills and X2... most of the substance was stripped away to make time for Wolverine's "mysterious past" and his action scenes. Cyclops actually had a pretty influential role in the original GLMK, with a great speech at the end that reaffirms Xavier's faith in his dream. Of course, they substitued that for Wolverine's "she's gone, she's gone, she's gone, she's gone, she's gone" lol

 

[Bastila]

Whats the original GLMK?

 

[My Red Sight]

I kind of thought that X3 was faithful. I mean, all the aspects are there, they're just different to meet the tone of the franchise.

 

[larryfilmmaker]

I kind of thought that X3 was faithful. I mean, all the aspects are there, they're just different to meet the tone of the franchise.

Zombie Jean? Storm and Wolvie taking over the school? Xavier's death and brain transfer... Cyke's zero involvement in the Phoenix storyline...

I can't think of a single part of X3 that was faithful... what do you mean?

 

[Bastila]

Zombie Jean? Storm and Wolvie taking over the school? Xavier's death and brain transfer... Cyke's zero involvement in the Phoenix storyline...

I can't think of a single part of X3 that was faithful... what do you mean?

well you summed it up on how X3 was nothing like how it should have been. Good job lol.

 

[My Red Sight]

Zombie Jean? Storm and Wolvie taking over the school? Xavier's death and brain transfer... Cyke's zero involvement in the Phoenix storyline...

I can't think of a single part of X3 that was faithful... what do you mean?

Okay, well. It's just the formula is there, with deferent details.

We have Jean's sacrifice with the X-jet at the end of X2. And I also liked to think of that as the movie version of the "Good Phoenix." The comic story has her sacrificing herself to save the X-men in the space shuttle. After that she lands in the water and than rises. We do have a version of that in the film.

We have the love part, which I thought played a big part in the film. It's present through both Scott and Logan. Sure Scott dies early, but he's still a part of phoenix - he was the first person she contacted using her telepathy and he keeps setting the phoenix off, or suppresses it. And Logan is in love with Jean, divided between whether or not he should kill her. The love part of the Phoenix Saga is present, just different to meet the tone of the film.

I don't think it's silly to have Wolverine suddenly in love Jean, because I don't think it's too sudden. In all the other movies we see a building of their relationship, and it's not like in the beginning of X3 he says he loves her. It develops throughout the film. It was Storm who first said that he loved her.

Sure Jean may not have been covered in flames or have a phoenix surrounding her, but there is no explanation why she would in the films - there really is no solid explanation why Jean was covered in flames at the end of X2. She had to be zombie like too show a contrast between what she was at the end of X2 and what she is in X3.

And the final sacrifice from Jean. The comics have Jean breaking through long enough to use the guns on the moon to kill herself. Movie version has Jean breaking through long enough to let Wolverine kill her. Sure in the comics it was Scott's love that enabled Jean to overcome the phoenix, but in the movie Logan says he would die for her, which I think made her realize that she is still cared about, even though she had done those horrible things.

Could it have been done differently? Yes, but I loved what we got.

 

[Mike059jig]

I kind of thought that X3 was faithful. I mean, all the aspects are there, they're just different to meet the tone of the franchise.

Yeah I love how the Dark pehonix Saga is tragic love between logan and Jean.....and logan becomes the leader of the X-men...Kid Omega has Quills coming out of him...When someone wants to take the cure to help themselves Storm will say no, cause mutants are not a disease...Half the eqation of the Dark Pheonix Saga is gone the entire movie..It was definetly faithful

 

[My Red Sight]

Yeah I love how the Dark pehonix Saga is tragic love between logan and Jean.....and logan becomes the leader of the X-men...Kid Omega has Quills coming out of him...When someone wants to take the cure to help themselves Storm will say no, cause mutants are not a disease...Half the eqation of the Dark Pheonix Saga is gone the entire movie..It was definetly faithful

There were deffinatly things changed, but that's just the trend of the trilogy. And I meant that the phoenix saga was reinterpreted, and had the same aspects, but changed to meet the tone of the franchise.

You seem awfully bitter that I like the movie. I post something that puts the movie into a positive light, and than people react with sarcastic and cynical comments. What would you say if I said It's my favorite movie... I better keep my mouth shut.

 

[Mike059jig]

Your are entitled to your opinion and love this movie all you want...my favorite Movie of All time LOTR...alot of people don't like it....I wasn't bitter..Don't take it wrong...your post just cuaght my attention...I love the x-men and change is good to some extent and But I can see when they are used inappropriately..But I've gotten over of this movie...I bought alot of comics after this movie came out to feel better...

 

[My Red Sight]

Oh, I thought your post was meant as a bitter attack at my oppinion. I guess it wasn't than.

 

[ntcrawler]

well you summed it up on how X3 was nothing like how it should have been. Good job lol.

Well that is a nice way to sum it up, isn't it? It's not so much the "tone of the franchise", but the "tone of the studio execs controlling the franchise"

I'll grant this, though. Something terrible and unexpected happened to Cyclops early on in the film, but so long as he was around on screen, he was certainly vindicated for all the crap he had to put up with and was able to enjoy it. Short as it was, he gave a great performance.

 

[ntcrawler]

Yeah I love how the Dark pehonix Saga is tragic love between logan and Jean.....and logan becomes the leader of the X-men...

I think the point here is that when you reinterpret something, you can only go so far before the story loses its essence. Some people are just better than others when it comes to understanding where that proverbial "line" is that shouldn't be crossed.

 

[My Red Sight]

In my oppinion, switching two characters around did not cross the line, and you had to expect it. I knew cyclops would never get a large role, and if they kept him in the phoenix story line he would have a larger role than Wolverine. And we all know how fox would react.

 

[AznBABYBANDIT]

FOX crossed the invisible line that made fox tyrants... - Charles Xavier...

 

[My Red Sight]

I actually thought Scott's role in the film was cooler than the others. He finally got to ride the bike, had a cooler wardrobe (not a tucked in shirt and ironed pants, which made him look really uncool in X2), he had more emotion and came off better in an argument with Wolverine. It was short, but it was great.