Official JLA discussion thread - Part 1

[Drz]

I thought the characterization was over the top to make sure that new readers get it.

And this is bad, because? They want a new audience, this is exactly what the book is aimed at. Not 7 spandex heroes begging to be cared for in their 1st issue.

I dont want action, i want to see the League in its first days with everyone getting to know each other, their conflicts, friendships, etc. I dont need Batman to be used as a cash cow,

YOu just said you wanted JL #1 to be crammed with a huge fight with flashbacks handling all the "motivations to care" for 7 major characters. Now you totally changed your argument into "i want to read about all of them chit chatting together"

fighting each hero and then recruiting them, going from one cliche to the next

Oh i'm sorry Geoff Johns i don't think you're allowed to spoil the context of your issues.

As for Hal, he was portrayed as a braindead rookie whose ring (the greatest weapon in the universe) has no failsafe against someone pulling it off.

Thats because Hal wasn't concentrating, so you want #1 to begin with Green Lantern being a pro? Do you hate origin movies too because you don't get to see the hero rise up?

PS. Still waiting for that magical Batman Incorporated page.

 

[X Knight]

It's the variant cover by David Finch, it's still the same story and everything, except the cover is a limited edition

This cover is so hideously ugly........

 

[Nightrunner]

And this is bad, because? They want a new audience, this is exactly what the book is aimed at. Not 7 spandex heroes begging to be cared for in their 1st issue.

Bad writing is bad writing. Period.

YOu just said you wanted JL #1 to be crammed with a huge fight with flashbacks handling all the "motivations to care" for 7 major characters.

I said i wanted to see the league in its first days dealing with their first mission. Not a 30 page long action scene. Their formation could be shown in flashbacks or in the first issue. It definitely doesnt need to take 10 issues in which Batman fights each one of them and shows them who's the boss.

Oh i'm sorry Geoff Johns i don't think you're allowed to spoil the context of your issues.

Didnt he just set up a big Superman - Batman fight as a hook for his next issue?

Thats because Hal wasn't concentrating, so you want #1 to begin with Green Lantern being a pro? Do you hate origin movies too because you don't get to see the hero rise up?

If i am not mistaken the ring doesnt require concentration to stay on. It has failsafes against someone pulling it off. If Batman's cowl and belt have that, why wouldnt the greatest weapon in the universe? The bat fans, that's why.

PS. Still waiting for that magical Batman Incorporated page.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Nightrunner it seems like you keep forgetting (while still aware) that aside from this being their first encounters they are also younger. Why the heck would you expect Batman to be so distrustful and quiet when it's not like he's been Batman long? Current speculation suggestions that he has been Batman at least 2 years and maybe 4 tops to poorly justify Dick, Jason, and Tim having rushed careers as Robin. And he was distrustful to an extent because right away he saw GL's cocky personality and which is why he would be somewhat a *****e given he feels like he's working with a jock and amateur.

 

[X Knight]

the vibe I'm getting is that all the characters in the relaunch will act like *****es.......no?

it seems everyone is either arrogant or angry..........

 

[Drz]

Bad writing is bad writing. Period.

Yeah, because your suggestion of cramming 7 major characters into 26 pages and hoping the new audience would immediately care for all of them sounds like good writing over introducing the most popular DC heroes right now and starting slow and steadily.

I said i wanted to see the league in its first days dealing with their first mission. Not a 30 page long action scene. Their formation could be shown in flashbacks or in the first issue. It definitely doesnt need to take 10 issues in which Batman fights each one of them and shows them who's the boss.

Stop making up things to continue your rant, it adds nothing to the discussion, absolutely nothing. Also how short or long would these flashbacks be? And how much would they reveal? If there was some awesome reason they joined together, you can bet the audience would rather wanna read that instead. Show, NOT tell.

Didnt he just set up a big Superman - Batman fight as a hook for his next issue?

Last page twist doens't mean the entire issue focuses on those 3 characters, since we know #3 introduces Wonder Woman and Barry was on the cover as well.

If i am not mistaken the ring doesnt require concentration to stay on. It has failsafes against someone pulling it off.

Citations man, citations! Also this weapon is weak againts Yellow for pete's sake.

Ah so you make up things to deem your argument more convincing. Don't bash Morrison's quality writing like.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I said i wanted to see the league in its first days dealing with their first mission. Not a 30 page long action scene. Their formation could be shown in flashbacks or in the first issue. It definitely doesnt need to take 10 issues in which Batman fights each one of them and shows them who's the boss.

Didnt he just set up a big Superman - Batman fight as a hook for his next issue?

We don't know what will happen in the coming issues. So because Batman's personality clashes with GL (as it often has in the past) and because we are going to see a small clash with Supes (as they have always teased with in the past) you think that the rest of the book will follow suit? Seriously dude when do you ever see Batman having such a relationship with any of the other members of the team? Bats and GL made sense. Bats AND GL being weary of what Superman will be like makes sense.

And if you hate the jokes then you should drop the book because Johns said that what he plans to put more into his writing nowadays is more jokes. He wants little funny moments and lines and even joked how "if I make Jim Lee laugh while he is reading the script to draw, I've done my job".

 

[Nightrunner]

Nightrunner it seems like you keep forgetting (while still aware) that aside from this being their first encounters they are also younger. Why the heck would you expect Batman to be so distrustful and quiet when it's not like he's been Batman long? Current speculation suggestions that he has been Batman at least 2 years and maybe 4 tops to poorly justify Dick, Jason, and Tim having rushed careers as Robin. And he was distrustful to an extent because right away he saw GL's cocky personality and which is why he would be somewhat a *****e given he feels like he's working with a jock and amateur.

You mean i shouldnt expect Batman to act like his older self? OK, i grant you that, but i think we can all agree that he was too loud, too contemptuous, and too open, even if he was a younger Batman.

the vibe I'm getting is that all the characters in the relaunch will act like *****es.......no?

it seems everyone is either arrogant or angry..........

Yeah it seems that way.

 

[Nightrunner]

Yeah, because your suggestion of cramming 7 major characters into 26 pages and hoping the new audience would immediately care for all of them sounds like good writing over introducing the most popular DC heroes right now and starting slow and steadily.

The quality of writing isnt relevant to whether new readers care or not. JLA #1 had all the characters from the start, and whether it made new readers care or not it was a good issue, with plenty character moments and a good plot that hooked us and made us buy the next issue. Right now we've only seen a parademon blow up. Who cares?

Stop making up things to continue your rant, it adds nothing to the discussion, absolutely nothing.

I am not making anything up. There was too much bat-showing off in this issue for me to ignore.

Also how short or long would these flashbacks be? And how much would they reveal? If there was some awesome reason they joined together, you can bet the audience would rather wanna read that instead. Show, NOT tell.

I'm no writer, but i'm sure i would find a better way to push the story forwards than "superman is an alien, lets ask him", followed by Superman knocking out Hal so that i would accommondate a S-B fight. God is Loeb writing this ****?

Ah so you make up things to deem your argument more convincing. Don't bash Morrison's quality writing like.

I thought my point was obvious.

 

[Drz]

The quality of writing isnt relevant to whether new readers care or not. JLA #1 had all the characters from the start, and whether it made new readers care or not it was a good issue, with plenty character moments and a good plot that hooked us and made us buy the next issue. Right now we've only seen a parademon blow up. Who cares?

So now you're saying the book needed more action to be cared? The people will care about this issue because it hooks you up with Green Lantern and Batman. Also this issue is exactly suppose to be cared by the new readers, you're taking an elitist stance and being like "i liked comics before they became mainstream!"

I'm no writer, but i'm sure i would find a better way to push the story forwards than "superman is an alien, lets ask him", followed by Superman knocking out Hal so that i would accommondate a S-B fight.

Thats because you ignore the context. Batman notices that a fight has been going and Green Lantern talks about interrogating and restraining him, what would Superman do? Defend himself obviously, you seem to forget he has super hearing while Johns didn't.

 

[Rain]

What is Batman shooting out of his wrists?

 

[Anubis]

Silly String.

 

[Kitsune]

This cover is so hideously ugly........

Wonderwoman seems a bit short..

 

[Anubis]

The quality of writing isnt relevant to whether new readers care or not. JLA #1 had all the characters from the start, and whether it made new readers care or not it was a good issue, with plenty character moments and a good plot that hooked us and made us buy the next issue. Right now we've only seen a parademon blow up. Who cares?
I am not making anything up. There was too much bat-showing off in this issue for me to ignore. I'm no writer, but i'm sure i would find a better way to push the story forwards than "superman is an alien, lets ask him", followed by Superman knocking out Hal so that i would accommondate a S-B fight. God is Loeb writing this ****? I thought my point was obvious.

Damn, noobs getting banned left and right.

 

[CConn]

Do you think he flashed someone?

I hope he did.

 

[Compi716]

The quality of writing isnt relevant to whether new readers care or not. JLA #1 had all the characters from the start, and whether it made new readers care or not it was a good issue, with plenty character moments and a good plot that hooked us and made us buy the next issue.

I do have to agree with this. The new Justice League isn't bad, but the Morrison/Porter JLA #1 is "big idea" comics done right.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Damn, noobs getting banned left and right.

LOL what did he do?

 

[Kevin]

I liked the issue. It was enough for me to come back at the end of next month.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Originally, I was going to wait for trade, but my curiousity got the best of me.

Thus far, I'm mixed on it. Loving Jim Lee's artwork as always, but I'm mixed on Johns' approach to storytelling. That aside, I loved the reveal for Superman at the end.

Either way, I'm onboard to see, where they go with it.

 

[Kevin]

It's the variant cover by David Finch, it's still the same story and everything, except the cover is a limited edition

Why is everyone so sad.

 

[The Batman]

I must say...the only person who comes off bad so far is ironically hal...dude was a little too obnoxious at times

 

[Kevin]

Favorite character in the issue was Vic. I feel bad for his future.

 

[Keyser Soze]

My review of Justice League #1:

http://johnleescomics.wordpress.com/2011/09/01/review-justice-league-1/

 

[Kurosawa]

#2 will decide for me if the DCnU is worth it or not. I know that's maybe going overboard, but if they have Bats own/humiliate/outsmart/outanything Superman, then I'll say the hell with it.

 

[CConn]

#2 will decide for me if the DCnU is worth it or not. I know that's maybe going overboard, but if they have Bats own/humiliate/outsmart/outanything Superman, then I'll say the hell with it.

I know, its not always continuity, but I'm sorry, Batman should outsmart Superman.

I know Superman's powers should logically make him infinitely smarter than a normal human, etc...but brains is Batman's thing. IMO, it should be the one thing he can do better than anyone. Even if it's a bit unrealistic.