Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 5

[Gianakin_]

Huh runs parallel with how most...er...some people think of the SW prequels.

Not really, people don't like the visual aspect of the PT either.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Watching the trailer again, I just realized how much it is going to run parallel to FOTR.

 

[redhawk23]

Did Tolkien write that Radagast had a bunny sled? I have a hard time believing Tolkien would come up with something so silly borderline stupid.

Yeah because Tom Bombadil is the most transcendent and serene character ever written.

Or you know walking on foot to destroy a dangerous weapon when you have close connections with a race of giant intelligent eagles which you end up asking for help in the end anyways.

Tolkien takes transportation dead seriously.

 

[redhawk23]

Exactly, and pretty much everything other then Bilbo and Gollum's eyes should be hard to see.



Yes you can.

Also, that the beginning of the contest. If Gollum is creepy before that and starts acting cute and cuddly, what is the point? He should never be cure and cuddly.

And the cinematographer would be laughed at.

While the scene could do to be a bit darker, you can't honestly expect it to be almost completely dark for an entire scene like some cartoon scene.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah because Tom Bombadil is the most transcendent and serene character ever written.

Or you know walking on foot to destroy a dangerous weapon when you have close connections with a race of giant intelligent eagles which you end up asking for help in the end anyways.

Tolkien takes transportation dead seriously.

Dont take this the wrong way but your comment on the eagles tells me you've either never read tolkiens material and notes or may have not paid attention while doing so. I hear this comment all the time from the uninformed. The eagles are a proud noble race of sentient beings. Not pack animals. They don't do things to make mankind's burdens lighter. You wouldnt want some lesser being piggybacking on you would you?

Regarding Tom, i despise that character but it has little to do with the creation of unnecessary cgi sled bunnies. Jackson added the bunnies they werent created by Tolkien. Im ok with jackson changing and adding when it makes sense or is in keeping in line with Tolkien and his world. A maiar riding a sled dragged by bunnies like its the Iditarod isnt in line with Tolkien.

It isnt a deal breaker by no means but it is an annoyance.

 

[redhawk23]

Your comment on the eagles tells me you've either never read the books or didn't pay attention while doing so. The eagles are a proud noble race of beings. Not pack animals. They don't do things to make mankind's burdens lighter.

Yeah no sh**, but do they not have a stake in the fate of Middle Earth?

How would it have been any different than when they save Frodo and Sam after the job was done. Was it different because they were saving their lives?

Thousands of lives would have been saved if they helped before.


Intelligent eagles too proud to become a deus ex machina are no less goofy than rabbit sleds. Does the rabbit sled really effect the story or anything? Its just a fantastical element and part of their version of Radagast's image. How dare the filmmakers express any kind of imagination.
Also theres a shot of Radagast treating one of the rabbits while explaining the dark influence of the Necromancer. The light and fantastical elements of Radagast and the forest will contrast nicely with the influence of the Necromancer.

 

[ravn0s]

just got home from work and watched the trailer. looks amazing!

 

[obin_gam]

Dont take this the wrong way but your comment on the eagles tells me you've either never read tolkiens material and notes or may have not paid attention while doing so. I hear this comment all the time from the uninformed. The eagles are a proud noble race of sentient beings. Not pack animals. They don't do things to make mankind's burdens lighter. You wouldnt want some lesser being piggybacking on you would you?

Regarding Tom, i despise that character but it has little to do with the creation of unnecessary cgi sled bunnies. Jackson added the bunnies they werent created by Tolkien. Im ok with jackson changing and adding when it makes sense or is in keeping in line with Tolkien and his world. A maiar riding a sled dragged by bunnies like its the Iditarod isnt in line with Tolkien.

It isnt a deal breaker by no means but it is an annoyance.

Radagast sees your hate of the bunnysleigh and how much does he care?
Not a single ****

 

[regwec]

I quite like the sled idea, because it recalls Kalevala and that mythic tradition. I just really, really wish they had used deer rather than monster rabbits.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Radagast sees your hate of the bunnysleigh and how much does he care?
Not a single ****

That is some ugly CG, and an obvious 3D shot.

Yeah no sh**, but do they not have a stake in the fate of Middle Earth?

How would it have been any different than when they save Frodo and Sam after the job was done. Was it different because they were saving their lives?

Thousands of lives would have been saved if they helped before.


Intelligent eagles too proud to become a deus ex machina are no less goofy than rabbit sleds. Does the rabbit sled really effect the story or anything? Its just a fantastical element and part of their version of Radagast's image. How dare the filmmakers express any kind of imagination.
Also theres a shot of Radagast treating one of the rabbits while explaining the dark influence of the Necromancer. The light and fantastical elements of Radagast and the forest will contrast nicely with the influence of the Necromancer.

That honestly has nothing to do with it. When you start adapting work and talk about how much you understand it, only to prove you don't understand it by what you put on screen, I think that argument goes right out the window. See Gandalf v. The Witch King.

Jackson was at his best when he was being lean and mean with these movies.

 

[regwec]

It just occurred to me: what if Radagast can alter his size, and the rabbits are ordinarily proportioned?

 

[Spider-Who?]

Exactly, and pretty much everything other then Bilbo and Gollum's eyes should be hard to see.

You are aware that this doesn't happen in real life, right? Eyes don't magically become visible in darkness.

Yes you can.

No, you really can’t. Not in a scene like this and with a beloved character from the original trilogy. If Gollum where to show up later within the movie, then you might be able to get away with not showing him in this scene, but this is his only scene in The Hobbit and its heavy on dialogue. You need to have the reveal, from not only a thematic standpoint, but to keep audiences from being pissed since seeing Gollum and how Bilbo stole the ring is obviously a huge draw for audiences and having a big dialogue heavy scene like this where you see only the eyes of 1/2 of the characters involved is stupid. Like I mentioned earlier, if you’re going to build tension (starting the scene with Gollum in shadow), you need to release that tension (Gollum emerging from the shadows), otherwise the tension is pointless. It’s scene building 101.

Also, that the beginning of the contest. If Gollum is creepy before that and starts acting cute and cuddly, what is the point? He should never be cure and cuddly.

I'd give you this, but since we haven't watched the scene there's no telling how PJ is handling it, but watching LotR suggests that he plans on playing up the dual personality disorder of Gollum - one minute he's cold, calculating and menacing, the other minute he's the cute weird hobbit creature. It's my hope that PJ plans on using this to make the scene more dramatic - to show how off his rocker (and there for scary) Gollum is, since you don't know if he's going to rip out your insides or give you a hug.

 

[obin_gam]

It just occurred to me: what if Radagast can alter his size, and the rabbits are ordinarily proportioned?

That would be impossible, because it would suggest he is even more awesome than that gif already makes him

 

[Lucien]

It just occurred to me: what if Radagast can alter his size, and the rabbits are ordinarily proportioned?

Master of shapes and changes of hue.

It could be interperated that way. Thinking about it the bunny sled makes a lot of sense for travelling through an overgrown Mirkwood rather than a horse, but its still corny as hell.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wait are you guys even positive the sled is pulled by bunnies? Look at that gif, they aren't even attached to the ropes. I think they're just running along beside him and we can't see what's pulling him. I don't even think they're giant, they just look it because they're in the foreground.

 

[Kane52630]

Wait are you guys even positive the sled is pulled by bunnies? Look at that gif, they aren't even attached to the ropes. I think they're just running along beside him and we can't see what's pulling him. I don't even think they're giant, they just look it because they're in the foreground.

Huh... you're right. That's interesting.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Maybe it's a BEAR SLED!

 

[Slushy]

There's only 3 three things I want to see in this trilogy:

Riddles In The Dark conversation

Smaug

The Battle of Five Armies

With that said, Tom Bombadil FTW!

 

[Lucien]

Yeah no sh**, but do they not have a stake in the fate of Middle Earth?

How would it have been any different than when they save Frodo and Sam after the job was done. Was it different because they were saving their lives?

Thousands of lives would have been saved if they helped before.


Intelligent eagles too proud to become a deus ex machina are no less goofy than rabbit sleds. Does the rabbit sled really effect the story or anything? Its just a fantastical element and part of their version of Radagast's image. How dare the filmmakers express any kind of imagination.

Also theres a shot of Radagast treating one of the rabbits while explaining the dark influence of the Necromancer. The light and fantastical elements of Radagast and the forest will contrast nicely with the influence of the Necromancer.

The thing is the Eagles absolutely are a deus ex machina. They are the eyes of Manwe on Middle-Earth, who is the Vala (god) of the sky. The Valar declared that they would not interfere in the affairs of Middle-Earth after they separated Valinor from the rest of the world. They had their own agenda against the Goblins and Wargs in the Hobbit, but during Rings any aid from the Eagles is seen as an act of Grace by Manwe. Frodo fulfilled his quest and suffered greatly to do so, so the Valar saw fit that he should be spared from death after succeeding. And before that Gandalf had to be rescued from Orthanc because of Saruman's betrayal. The Istari themselves were an act of grace being agents of the Valar to combat Sauron. Gandalf was the last of them to remain true to their task so Manwe interceded and had him rescued.

 

[Dugath]

Wait are you guys even positive the sled is pulled by bunnies? Look at that gif, they aren't even attached to the ropes. I think they're just running along beside him and we can't see what's pulling him. I don't even think they're giant, they just look it because they're in the foreground.

Look at the middle rope, you will see ropes going off to the sides to the rabbits

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't see it. I guess time will tell.

 

[redhawk23]

It just occurred to me: what if Radagast can alter his size, and the rabbits are ordinarily proportioned?

When it shows him treating the rabbit on the table it seems to be fairly normal.



Also, cg in trailers almost always looks terrible.

Some folks are saying that the sled "proves he doesn't understand the material." In what way exactly? Radagast is closely associated with animals and lives in Mirkwood.

Not Tolkienlike enough?

Tiny people that live in holes in the ground, rabbit sleds, monsters made of fire and shadow, giant eagles, talking animals, walking talking trees, a man that can transform into a bear

Other than who made them up, do any of these really stand out?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Some folks are saying that the sled "proves he doesn't understand the material." In what way exactly? Radagast is closely associated with animals and lives in Mirkwood.

Not Tolkienlike enough?

Tolkien purists are the biggest and most useless whiners in the geek world.

 

[dark_b]

Wait are you guys even positive the sled is pulled by bunnies? Look at that gif, they aren't even attached to the ropes. I think they're just running along beside him and we can't see what's pulling him. I don't even think they're giant, they just look it because they're in the foreground.

i think they are. i can see the thin rope

 

[Dugath]

I don't see it. I guess time will tell.