Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 5

[DarthSkywalker]

You are aware that this doesn't happen in real life, right? Eyes don't magically become visible in darkness.

Good thing this isn't real life. Also you seemed to have missed my point. The audience would be able to see all of Bilbo and Gollum's eyes. It would be no different then the first time you see Gollum in FOTR.

No, you really can’t. Not in a scene like this and with a beloved character from the original trilogy. If Gollum where to show up later within the movie, then you might be able to get away with not showing him in this scene, but this is his only scene in The Hobbit and its heavy on dialogue. You need to have the reveal, from not only a thematic standpoint, but to keep audiences from being pissed since seeing Gollum and how Bilbo stole the ring is obviously a huge draw for audiences and having a big dialogue heavy scene like this where you see only the eyes of 1/2 of the characters involved is stupid. Like I mentioned earlier, if you’re going to build tension (starting the scene with Gollum in shadow), you need to release that tension (Gollum emerging from the shadows), otherwise the tension is pointless. It’s scene building 101.

First, I am not saying never show him, my point is shadows and later reveals. It is a build up process. The reveal of Gollum and all his glory comes at the end. You know, with the threat of death. Instead it seems that are focused on simply getting Gollum on the screen for as long as possible and I wouldn't even doubt a random reason to see him later in the other two films.

Also if you are going to use monetary questions and general crowd antipation to defend your point, I am just not going to agree.

I'd give you this, but since we haven't watched the scene there's no telling how PJ is handling it, but watching LotR suggests that he plans on playing up the dual personality disorder of Gollum - one minute he's cold, calculating and menacing, the other minute he's the cute weird hobbit creature. It's my hope that PJ plans on using this to make the scene more dramatic - to show how off his rocker (and there for scary) Gollum is, since you don't know if he's going to rip out your insides or give you a hug.

Gollum has been more comedy relief then anything else for Jackson. The character is fun, but never really had his edge.

 

[terry78]

I swear this board is slowly going to turn Bat-like the closer we get to release of this flick.

 

[Kane52630]

I swear this board is slowly going to turn Bat-like the closer we get to release of this flick.

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I swear this board is slowly going to turn Bat-like the closer we get to release of this flick.

Do you mean the shape of the board?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Do you mean the shape of the board?

He means it's going to be dark and full of feces.

 

[Octoberist]

I swear this board is slowly going to turn Bat-like the closer we get to release of this flick.

I have to agree.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He means it's going to be dark and full of feces.

Sounds like where Gollum likes to hang out.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

He means it's going to be dark and full of feces.

it's been full of **** for some time now.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

I swear this board is slowly going to turn Bat-like the closer we get to release of this flick.

Mock not the Batboards, lest ye be eaten whole...preciousss

 

[corby]

never read book but does thorin have a big part dude comes across straight bad ass in trailer

He is the leader of the dwarves, so yes he has a major part.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

The thing is the Eagles absolutely are a deus ex machina. They are the eyes of Manwe on Middle-Earth, who is the Vala (god) of the sky. The Valar declared that they would not interfere in the affairs of Middle-Earth after they separated Valinor from the rest of the world. They had their own agenda against the Goblins and Wargs in the Hobbit, but during Rings any aid from the Eagles is seen as an act of Grace by Manwe. Frodo fulfilled his quest and suffered greatly to do so, so the Valar saw fit that he should be spared from death after succeeding. And before that Gandalf had to be rescued from Orthanc because of Saruman's betrayal. The Istari themselves were an act of grace being agents of the Valar to combat Sauron. Gandalf was the last of them to remain true to their task so Manwe interceded and had him rescued.

Well done sir, you know your Tolkien. Except you forgot the "ë" in "Manwë"

 

[terry78]

So that explains why they didn't just call the eagles to help before. They're like Uatu.

 

[Lucien]

Well done sir, you know your Tolkien. Except you forgot the "ë" in "Manwë"

Please forgive, i don't think my phone can even type that character

 

[Fanticon]

anybody asking questions about who's who and what certain scenes mean in the trailer really need to go read the book. I'm not even trying to be snobby and saying you should all just go read it just because...but honestly it's 75 years old, you seem to be fans and familiar with LOTR so just go read it already. 3 movies for one book...seems like its gonna be the most faithful adaptation of all time!

 

[corby]

After rewatching the trailer, looks like those are the spiders of Mirkwood that are bursting into Radagast's home.

 

[terry78]

anybody asking questions about who's who and what certain scenes mean in the trailer really need to go read the book. I'm not even trying to be snobby and saying you should all just go read it just because...but honestly it's 75 years old, you seem to be fans and familiar with LOTR so just go read it already. 3 movies for one book...seems like its gonna be the most faithful adaptation of all time!

You may as well ask us to do homework.

 

[Fanticon]

go to your room.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

There's wiki's and lots of other LotR sites you can visit to learn more without having to pick up one of those archaic paper devices.

 

[Kane52630]

anybody asking questions about who's who and what certain scenes mean in the trailer really need to go read the book. I'm not even trying to be snobby and saying you should all just go read it just because...but honestly it's 75 years old, you seem to be fans and familiar with LOTR so just go read it already. 3 movies for one book...seems like its gonna be the most faithful adaptation of all time!

 

[Fanticon]

if anyone has time to wait 3 years for 3 two hour movies...they've got time for one 300 page book.

 

[Kane52630]

I was kidding...hence the sarcasm. lol

Plus I remember reading it in middle school but it's been a long time so I don't remember a lot of specifics.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

anybody asking questions about who's who and what certain scenes mean in the trailer really need to go read the book. I'm not even trying to be snobby and saying you should all just go read it just because...but honestly it's 75 years old, you seem to be fans and familiar with LOTR so just go read it already. 3 movies for one book...seems like its gonna be the most faithful adaptation of all time!

Clearly you are not up to date on the happenings of these films.

 

[Dark Sentinel]

Please forgive, i don't think my phone can even type that character

No excuses!



For those who're curious, here are the "Valar" and some of the "Maiar" of which Lucien is referring to (FYI, I don't need wiki for this **** ):

Manwë, Ulmo, Aulë, Oromë, Tulkas, Námo (Mandos), Irmo (Lórien), Varda, Yavanna, Nienna, Estë, Nessa! Vairë and Vána...oh, and Melkor (aka Morgoth)

The Maiar are of the same race as the Valar, but of a different order, and are usually associated with one or more Valar. For instance, Gandalf (or Olórin) is a Maia in the service of Lórien, Saruman (Curumo) is a Maia of Aulë and Radagast (Aiwendil) is a Maia of Yavanna. Fun fact: before he defected to Morgoth's side, Sauron was a Maia in the service of Aulë.

You're welcome t:

 

[Fanticon]

I was kidding...hence the sarcasm. lol

Plus I remember reading it in middle school but it's been a long time so I don't remember a lot of specifics.

fixed

 

[Fanticon]

Clearly you have are not up to date on the happenings of these films.

Touché