Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 7

[HowardStark]

The One Problem The Hobbit Book wise is that Gandalf comes and goes and never know really anything until the end somewhat. The Hobbit Book wise also suffers from Smaug being Killed to quickly and BOTFA only takes a page. Such things don't work well in a movie. I am fine with Smaug being Killed is an End at The Hobbit 2 and we get BOTFA In the 3rd Movies.
Its all the races of middle earth and what did so well for Helms Deep was the preparing for the battle and BOTFA needs that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Return of the King and Return Of The Jedi had great endings to a trilogy. Underwhelming is not what I would call the Ring Being destroyed of Vader tossing the Emperor down the Shaft.

Hey I could tell you two robot factions were going to have a war to end all wars on earth. The idea doesn't should underwhelming at all. Then you are actually watch Transformers. Just because the film ends with a great idea, doesn't mean the rest of it worked.

I love ROTJ, and if it was all simply Luke and Vader's story it might actually be my favorite film of all time. The Barge rescue, the talk with Yoda and Obi-Wan, the speeder bike chase, Luke turning 3PO into a deity, Luke and Leia's talk, every moment between Luke Vader and the Emperor, great, classic stuff. But everything outside of the Luke/Vader/Emperor dance throughout just doesn't hold up.

ROTK is a classic case of a bloated film that is also missing the important bits.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The One Problem The Hobbit Book wise is that Gandalf comes and goes and never know really anything until the end somewhat. The Hobbit Book wise also suffers from Smaug being Killed to quickly and BOTFA only takes a page. Such things don't work well in a movie. I am fine with Smaug being Killed is an End at The Hobbit 2 and we get BOTFA In the 3rd Movies.
Its all the races of middle earth and what did so well for Helms Deep was the preparing for the battle and BOTFA needs that.

That is the entire point of the mystery. Where is this mysterious wizard disappearing to? What incredible wizard things is he getting up to?

I love how people are so willing to complain about the book that has stood for over half a century now. Even if you think those things work better a certain way, that doesn't suddenly mean trilogy. Two films were already pushing it. A whole film dedicated to the battle? Yeah, not really my idea of a good time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think we have our first look at Azog. Also looks like Oakenshield goes Oakenshield more then once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_9z7XG27Z8

The Necromancer's work and it looks like the Warg fight from TTT redux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiaPev0n78

And one more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEfEc6jFRA

 

[jmc]

It's still a wait and see thing but I still believe Hobbit warrants at best two films, even if you were to do a literal page by page adaptation. I re-read the Appendices from LOTR recently, there's not a great deal to mine through that justifies 3 movies.

 

[combocaz]

Just wondering that maybe The Hobbit should get its own thread knowing that there are still 2 more movies coming out and im sure people may want to discuss other topics on the movies, post pictures manips and talk about their fav characters or rant about what they didnt like.

 

[jmc]

I asked for a James Bond section but got turned down, so I'm doubtful LOTR/Hobbit will get one.

 

[Kane52630]

You have to remember also that tho the hobbit is short it translates to film longer. Its translation to film was always going to expand the story.

In Jackson's words:

The book is written in a very brisk pace, so pretty major events in the story are covered in only two or three pages. So once you start to develop the scenes and plus you wanted to do a little bit more character development, plus the fact that we could also adapt the appendices of Return of the King, which is 100-odd pages of material that sort of takes place around the time of The Hobbit, so we wanted to expand the story of The Hobbit a little bit more, as did Tolkien himself. So all those factors combined gave us the material to do it.

That's exacting what I was thinking while re-reading The Hobbit. There's tons of stuff you can easily expand upon with a couple pages of the book.

 

[Spider-Who?]

The shear fact that both audio and colour photoraphy predate cinema means movies were always destined for sound and colour and computers were always going to be a tool used for special effects. So yes it was a natural evolution of the medium.

And yet you ignore the fact that the human eye can perceive images faster than 24fps (over 200fps). By your logic, higher frame rates are also a natural evolution, since our eyes predate cinema.

One can argue about higher frame rates making things "too real", but the same arguments where made with sound and color.

My point is not that 48fps will become the next step in films history, just that it's irresponsible and patently wrong to claim that is ISN'T. We won't know. It took 60 years for color to become the norm in Hollywood (the first color film shot in 1902). Three movies by Peter Jackson aren't enough to lay claim to HFR's longevity one way or the other.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

13-Minute TV Special!

 

[Vartha]

Rock center will have a special tonight 9pm central time
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...als-secrets-of-lord-of-the-rings-prequel?lite

 

[Vartha]

Today show had a tidbit too this morning just haven't looked for it yet

 

[Kane52630]

13-Minute TV Special!

Must...resist...footage....

 

[Vartha]

heh you know You'll give Kane.....Just watch it.



I'm so evil at times

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

Must...resist...footage....

[YT]BkIJsnLBA4c[/YT]

 

[Vartha]

hahaha

 

[ThePhantasm]

Don't do it Kane! I believe you can resist!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think we have our first look at Azog. Also looks like Oakenshield goes Oakenshield more then once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_9z7XG27Z8

The Necromancer's work and it looks like the Warg fight from TTT redux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxiaPev0n78

And one more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcEfEc6jFRA

I repeat. Azog.

 

[Kane52630]

I'm doing my best not to see it!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wow, look at how spritely Sir Christopher Lee still is at 90. He doesn't look like he has lost a step in a decade.

 

[Quasimod0]

I think its time to stop complaining about it being changed to 3 movies. Its over and done. Old news that wont be changed.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

Wow, look at how spritely Sir Christopher Lee still is at 90. He doesn't look like he has lost a step in a decade.

He has to be the most bad-ass 90 year old in existence.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think its time to stop complaining about it being changed to 3 movies. Its over and done. Old news that wont be changed.

Unless the movies knock it out of the park, this will always be a subject.

 

[Quasimod0]

Unfortunately youre right.

 

[Vartha]

times going to DRAG unless these specials just keep coming, and the sound track comes out