Official UFC Thread - Part 5

[badgrammar]

^your crazy chris is not better chris so called wrestling and subs had no effect on silva silva did'nt take much damage on the ground and nullified Chris's grappling

chris won because silva let him punch him in the face end of stroy

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http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=155305573&p=1099162173

 

[badgrammar]

^your crazy chris is not better chris so called wrestling and subs had no effect on silva silva did'nt take much damage on the ground and nullified Chris's grappling

chris won because silva let him punch him in the face end of stroy

Wow. He let him punch him in the face???? He's hands were down in order to get double underhooks and defend the takedown from Chris. He accomplished that in the second round, but it handicapped his striking. He couldn't land anything on Chris. It would it made is easier for Chris to takedown Anderson if Anderson fought Chris more technical and more aggressively

 

[badgrammar]

This poster from another website explains it a lot better than me.

Silva is a good striker, but not good enough that he can blitz a wrestler all the time and not risk being taken down. When he takes the first strike against a good wrestler there's a good chance he getting taken down. Watch Chael Sonnen vs Anderson 2 round 1 and you will see this.

Yes Anderson has a good sprawl but only when he not taking a fighting stance and playing pure defence against the take down.

Stopping the sprawl means very little if it means your not going to attack the opponent.

Before him goading all the offense he was mounting was going for low safe leg kicks mostly. After a leg kick he would take a step back right away and take the low stance. Nothing with his fists because he was being crazy defensive. He didn't want to risk being taken down. Because Silva is first and foremost a counter striker, he won't be offensive and take the first initiative when he facing a wrestler and risks being taken down.

If Silva played it safely, he could try to leg kick all night but that would just lead to a take down eventually. And one take down is all it takes for Anderson to lose a round. That being, Silva has good take down defence, but he doesn't get up at all after being taken down. He got up from the first take down after a failed submission but against Sonnen he got laid on for the entire round. And being laid on by Chris Weidman is much more punishing.

When Silva focuses on pure defence, he takes very little risk.

His fight against Maia showed this. He would rather run, then go in to finish his opponent. This is smart but boring and this was another option for Silva aside from the clowning. However, if he did this again, he might not have a job as Dana white has said this after Abu Dhabi.

So instead of being this boring fighter who runs away when people don't brawl with him, his solution to this is to goad people to fight aggressively so that he can employ counter striking.

Remember people at the post fight conference, he said that he was acting like he was in the Octagon because Chris wasn't playing into his game.

Silva choice was this, aggravate his opponent enough that he plays into his game(this results in excessive clowning the longer it takes for the opponent to play into his game), fight a super boring fight where there a good chance he might lose from not being aggressive and not showing octagon control or fight offensively, get taken down like crazy and get ground and pounded every round. Yes there is a chance for a knock out for this last option, but Chael Sonnen showed a person can do this for 5 rounds and not get knocked out

 

[B]

Anderson Silva got taken down quickly in the first round and ate some hard shot off his back and had to defend a sub attempt from Chris.

When he got back up, Silva realized that it's going to happen again if he didn't keep his hands down in order to defend the takedown. He also tried to bait Chris into brawling, so he can counter him. Chris was smart and didn't let Anderson get in his head. He was also slipping Silva's punches. This frustrated Silva, and made him taunt Chris even more, and he paid the price. Anderson fought Chris the same way he fought other fighters. Chris is just better than Silva .

Chris Weidman isn't even in Anderson Silva's league. Weidman is to Silva what Douglas was to Tyson, Serra was to GSP, Rahman/McCall to Lewis etc etc.

Weidman didn't do anything in the fight to make me respect his talent, Silva caused his own defeat in the fight by not showing him enough respect. Yes Silva does this stuff occasionally in other fights, however not to this level, the only time we've seen him dance around so much like that & be so animated was against Maia.

Any other time he does this sort of stuff he is still respectful enough to take his opponent seriously. He was pretending to be hurt & scared in this fight mid-fight.. and during the punch in which Weidman clipped him, he actually encouraged Weidman to attack because he acted like he was hurt by a jab.

Even in defeat, because Silva was doing what he was doing, it still makes this fight meaningless.. just as it would have been had Silva won. Weidman will no doubt either defend the title against Silva in a rematch or Vitor, if he can defend the title in convincing fashion, he'll earn applause from the public.. and me.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It's such a shame the greatest fighter in the history of MMA had his long run & his indestructible image ruined by Chris Weidman.. a guy who I don't even feel is in the top 5 toughest opponents that Anderson has faced. He's MMA's Buster Douglas.

Hahaha, I don't know much about Chris but that's hilarious.

 

[I'm Batman.]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/7/8...derson-silva-vs-chris-weidman-rematch-for-ufc

Dana’s pushing for the rematch, I don’t think it happens though. I just want him to fight either Silva or Belfort in a 4-5 month period from last fight barring injuries. Let’s get the division going.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

If he balloons up in weight and quits in his next fight then I will agree with the Buster Douglas comment.

 

[Warhammer]

badgrammar, give it up. You're giving Weidman too much credit. From what we've seen, he ain't s***.

 

[badgrammar]

Chris Weidman isn't even in Anderson Silva's league. Weidman is to Silva what Douglas was to Tyson, Serra was to GSP, Rahman/McCall to Lewis etc etc.

Weidman didn't do anything in the fight to make me respect his talent, Silva caused his own defeat in the fight by not showing him enough respect. Yes Silva does this stuff occasionally in other fights, however not to this level, the only time we've seen him dance around so much like that & be so animated was against Maia.

Any other time he does this sort of stuff he is still respectful enough to take his opponent seriously. He was pretending to be hurt & scared in this fight mid-fight.. and during the punch in which Weidman clipped him, he actually encouraged Weidman to attack because he acted like he was hurt by a jab.

Even in defeat, because Silva was doing what he was doing, it still makes this fight meaningless.. just as it would have been had Silva won. Weidman will no doubt either defend the title against Silva in a rematch or Vitor, if he can defend the title in convincing fashion, he'll earn applause from the public.. and me.

Silva is so out of his league

 

[badgrammar]

badgrammar, give it up. You're giving Weidman too much credit. From what we've seen, he ain't s***.

You give it up. Stop discrediting Weidman. I find it funny that I am defending the fighter that won. You guys act like if it was a lucky punch, but he was winning the whole fight.
He is a bad match up for Silva. Silva fought the same way he fought other fighters. The only difference is that he got knock out.
If he keeps his hands up and fights more technical and more aggressively then it would make it easier for Chris to take him down in the rematch. If Silva would had won the fight the way he fought, everyone would say how he is the greatest, and say that he fought awesome

 

[E-Man]

I think you're making too much of that take down in the first round. Weidman's ground and pound was decent, but nothing groundbreaking. Anderson got out on his own without taking much damage. In that gif Anderson actually slips those punches like he did with Vitor, but Weidman got him in position and did nicely. The difference is that non of them land flush, and they don't do much damage at all since he rolled and slipped them. What I liked was Weidman's improved standup. He used to really lunge too much in the past while being flatfooted. He corrected that, but seemed to have no answer for the kicks. I'm disappointed Anderson didn't work the clinch better. He stopped two takedowns and could have done some major damage with some knees, but he went back to clowning. It worked so damn much in the past, so it's not so crazy that he did it. But he ****ed up this time, and Weidman made him pay. Can't take anything away from Weidman there, but I still think Anderson wins a rematch based on how he stuffed Weidman's takedowns while throwing some nice kicks that could have really ruined Weidman's legs over the course of the next round. But the game isn't fought on maybes or shouldas. Weidman is the champ now. Anderson is still the GOAT, but Weidman is king.

 

[Warhammer]

You give it up. Stop discrediting Weidman. I find it funny that I am defending the fighter that won. You guys act like if it was a lucky punch, but he was winning the whole fight.
He is a bad match up for Silva. Silva fought the same way he fought other fighters. The only difference is that he got knock out.
If he keeps his hands up and fights more technical and more aggressively then it would make it easier for Chris to take him down in the rematch. If Silva would had won the fight the way he fought, everyone would say how he is the greatest, and say that he fought awesome

 

[badgrammar]

I think you're making too much of that take down in the first round. Weidman's ground and pound was decent, but nothing groundbreaking. Anderson got out on his own without taking much damage. In that gif Anderson actually slips those punches like he did with Vitor, but Weidman got him in position and did nicely. The difference is that non of them land flush, and they don't do much damage at all since he rolled and slipped them.

He got out because Chris went for that high risk low reward sub attempt.

He land a few shots on Anderson's jaw when he was ground and pounding him.


He did not slip any of those punches on the ground. However, he scrambled to avoid them

 

[badgrammar]

You know it's true

 

[Warhammer]

You know it's true

You caught me red handed.

 

[badgrammar]

You caught me red handed.

I know... Anderson Silva fans are highly delusional

 

[E-Man]

He got out because Chris went for that high risk low reward sub attempt.

He land a few shots on Anderson's jaw when he was ground and pounding him.


He did not slip any of those punches on the ground. However, he scrambled to avoid them

Chris went for the sub because Anderson was getting up, and he wanted to capitalize. Even if you don't buy into what I said about him slipping the punches it was only a few at best. That's not really fight changing at all, and considering Chris went for two takedowns that got stuffed after that I see Anderson getting the better part of a grappling battle as it goes along. But all of that doesn't matter since Chris landed the knockout blow. The king is dead. Long live the king.

 

[Warhammer]

I know... Anderson Silva fans are highly delusional

I'm not even a Silva fan. You are looking ******** right now.

 

[badgrammar]

Chris went for the sub because Anderson was getting up, and he wanted to capitalize. Even if you don't buy into what I said about him slipping the punches it was only a few at best. That's not really fight changing at all, and considering Chris went for two takedowns that got stuffed after that I see Anderson getting the better part of a grappling battle as it goes along. But all of that doesn't matter since Chris landed the knockout blow. The king is dead. Long live the king.

Dude, Anderson wasn't getting up, he was in his down guard. Chris just went for a stupid sub attempt, and that is the only reason Andy was able to get back up his feet.

He stuff a half ass takedown down from Chris in the second round, that is why is has his hands are down, to able to get double underhooks when someone shoots on him, and keeping his hands down, handicaps his striking, that is why he taunts his opponent, so he can counter strike them charging in. In the first minute of the first round, Andy had his hands up, and guess what happen

 

[badgrammar]

I'm not even a Silva fan. You are looking ******** right now.

I'm not a Chris Weidman fan, and he knocked out Silva and won. So How am I ********?

 

[badgrammar]

Anyway, I sound like a broken record. I'm fine If you all disagree with me. See you guys later

 

[I'm Batman.]

That was the first middleweight title fight in a year, and I’m sure Weidman is ready and willing to defend in the next 4-5 months. There’s no reason not to, but instead, Dana is talking rematch with Silva, and it’s not likely to occur in 2013, so we’re looking at another 7-8 month gap between title shots. Belfort is chomping for a title shot, Weidman wouldn’t mind I’m sure, so set it up in December. If Silva wants a shot at the title, he can have it, but if he wants time off, Belfort definitely deserves it.

 

[B]

Silva is so out of his league

Weidman got him down & had him down for what.. 2 minutes? & landed maybe 2 or 3 decent shots, none of which put Anderson in any problem. Everything else were Chael Sonnen like shots that were either completely blocked or deflected by Silva.. just as what happened in the 2nd Chael fight for the 1st round.

Silva caused his own downfall by not taking Weidman a little more seriously on the feet, Weidman has little technical skill on the feet, but he has heavy hands & Silva was taunting him, pretending to be scared & hurt, he was too dismissive of the power Weidman had.

Weidman just happened to catch Silva with a punch that happened to connect just in the right spot. Weidman isn't a better fighter than Silva, & won't be the champion for long.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm not a Chris Weidman fan, and he knocked out Silva and won. So How am I ********?

You decided to jump on everyone's case and defend Weidman to the ends of the Earth. Then you call me a Silva fan and say I'm highly delusional. Just cut the s***.

 

[E-Man]

In the midst of everything with Anderson I have to say that the event was very good. All good fights on the main card except the Kennedy/Gracie fight, and that one isn't so horrific that I was bored to tears watching it. The Swanson/Siver fight was straight awesome. So was Frankie getting back in the winning column. Unfortunately Anderson clowned too much and lost, and I'll have to destroy the world just to make myself feel better.