Official UFC Thread - Part 6

[badgrammar]

Rousey winning=

Her fighting Davis is like Superman fighting JJJ!

Who is JJJ?

 

[Mr. Dent]

J. Jonah Jameson?

 

[Docker2.0]

Who is JJJ?

J Jonah Jameson

 

[Batmannerism]

Scary, there's the whole fight, in one gif.

I was predicting Rousey to win, but not as quickly as that.

Looks like Rousey will be champ for a while. Man, that was like
a playground smackdown. Poor Alexis Davis, current resident of
ouch-town.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Enter the cyborg

WMMA needs her in the UFC fighting against Ronda.

You're kidding, right? She doesn't deserve squat.

As for the match up being 'suspect', funny... no one dares to utter that when arriving to Anderson Silva.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

They need to do some kind of talent scouting for the women's division. Rhonda is just running through these scrubs.

 

[E-Man]

The women's division just sucks. The talent is incredibly shallow except maybe at 115. I don't know because I haven't seen them, but Ronda's only decent comp left would be Cat Zingano, Cyborg, and Holly Holm. Cat would be interesting, but I really don't think she wants to deal with Holm or Cyborg. Cyborg probably won't be able to make 135 without being in terribly ****** shape, but Holm is very interesting. If it stays on the feet she'd kill Ronda, but I don't know how good of a grappler she is. All I know is that Holm and Cyborg are the only female strikers worth a damn, and that's at least something.

 

[badgrammar]

You're kidding, right? She doesn't deserve squat.

As for the match up being 'suspect', funny... no one dares to utter that when arriving to Anderson Silva.

Wmma competition in Ronda's weight class is pathetic. I don't care if she doesn't deserve it.

 

[B]

Missed the entire UFC 175 because my recording failed on my Sky+ box

Only fight I've seen completely is the Rousey fight.. because it's now a popular GIF. Literally blew Davis away. The right hand that hit Davis completely stunned her to the point were she hardly reacted when Ronda nailed her with a knee & then tossed her. She's definitely going to need more challengers because she's just making mince meat of everyone she's fighting because of how well rounded her game is looking in comparison to the rest of the division.

Weidman has officially earned his first feather in his cap in my eyes, it was always going to be fairly close fight because while Machida does fairly well against wrestlers, sometimes he struggles against people who keep pressing forward that he can't put away. I've yet to see the fight but I've been told it was the pressure & control of octagon that won Weidman the fight. It's one of the flaws with Lyoto's gameplan that if he can't put them away, he doesn't look aggressive enough & some fights go against him because of it. Fight metric suggests it was a fairly close fight bar the 2nd & 4th rounds both for Weidman & Machida. The rest there's not much in them, Machida obviously having the more accurate significant strikes coming on strong in the final 2 rounds but Weidman beating him due to the volume in which he threw ie constant pressure.

Still though, first feather for Weidman. Beating Machida regardless of how close isn't easy because of his style.

 

[E-Man]

I think that Weidman beat Lyoto because he used kicks well, used his size well early on instead of having no gameplan with it, and Lyoto also took too long to get off. I think that the second round was where Lyoto should have turned it up more because Weidman won that on the takedown. One thing that Weidman has to work on though is his cardio. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. In the land of MMA cardio is king, and if you don't have it you won't hold on to that belt too long. He's got to work on that because it's a hold that can be exploited by someone down the line.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Lyoto Machida I thought he would've beat Chris Weidman but I give props to weidmann proved me wrong.



Jones vs Gustafsson 2 set for September. Why didn't I hear that being announced till yesterday?

 

[B]

I thought Machida would have beat Weidman as well simply because Machida does tend to counter wrestling with his style quite well, simply because they struggle to touch him because of how elusive he is & when they do get hold of him they usually have to eat a kick or a knee & end up releasing him quick.

Styles make fights though & the hole in Machida's game has always been fighting guys that press him. If he can't put them away it makes his style look quite negative & make it look like he's not doing very much other than backing away. Controlling the octagon is something the judges are supposed to look for so someone backing off all the time should rarely get a decision unless they are clearly tagging & winning the exchanges.

I'll have to catch the fight between them on YT when it eventually makes it there but the fight metric suggests only 2 rounds were 1 sided, with both fighters taking 1 round each, the rest there's not much in.. statistically anyway.

 

[B]

Really gutted to see BJ Penn go out like that. Probably a worse beating than the Rory MacDonald fight simply because Frankie was so ruthless in going for the kill.

People will look back at BJ's record 16-10-2 & wonder what all the fuss was about. Dana White said it best, BJ built that 155lb division & one of the best LW's ever. The bulk of all his loses came at 170lbs were he was significantly undersized against some of his opponents & a catchweight bought against Machida.

Frankie Edgar just had the tools available to him to perfectly counter BJ in each encounter. Fast, unrivaled cardio, strong wrestling skills & unpredictability. Biggest 2 are speed & cardio though.

Sad to see him go out after taking 3 bad beatings, somewhat similar to how sad it was to see Chuck go out after having been KO'd in his last handful of fights. True legend, should really have stepped away probably after the Nick Diaz fight.

 

[Batmannerism]

Really gutted to see BJ Penn go out like that. Probably a worse beating than the Rory MacDonald fight simply because Frankie was so ruthless in going for the kill.

People will look back at BJ's record 16-10-2 & wonder what all the fuss was about. Dana White said it best, BJ built that 155lb division & one of the best LW's ever. The bulk of all his loses came at 170lbs were he was significantly undersized against some of his opponents & a catchweight bought against Machida.

Frankie Edgar just had the tools available to him to perfectly counter BJ in each encounter. Fast, unrivaled cardio, strong wrestling skills & unpredictability. Biggest 2 are speed & cardio though.

Sad to see him go out after taking 3 bad beatings, somewhat similar to how sad it was to see Chuck go out after having been KO'd in his last handful of fights. True legend, should really have stepped away probably after the Nick Diaz fight.

Agree.

I think it was all about the weight cut. BJ looked like he was trying to conserve energy the whole fight. Edgar reminded me of how Clay Guida used to fight, relentlessly (but a bit smarter). When Edgar slammed BJ to the ground you knew it was all going to be over soon.

On one hand, BJ looked visibly lacklustre (especially with his strikes) and on the other Edgar was obviously in excellent shape -both skills and cardio wise. Penn's punches didn't look explosive at all, more swats than jabs, he never looked like he was even trying to set up a takedown or much less a submission.

Not the best way to go out, but a good time to retire. I hope GSP stays retired as well. Best to go out when you're on top - because if you don't the only way to go is down.

Will still remember Penn as one of the greats, but glad he has stepped aside.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Damn good care tonight. Didn't watch any of the prelims, but everything on the main card has been solid.

I can't believe this main event made it to the 5th round. Matt Brown has been one of my favorites since his TUF run. He's just one of those guys (like Chris Lytle) who just always shows up to fight. No matter who he is up against. Robbie Lawler isn't exactly a slouch either. It was a really smart move by UFC to put probably the two most entertaining guys in the division on free tv. It will likely help ppv shows down the road (at least I would hope so).

Also, why in the blue hell was Anthony Johnson cutting so much weight for so long? He looked ridiculous back then, bouncing from looking like Dave Chappelle one day, then Ving Rhames the next time you saw him. I like that he found his comfort zone at 205.

 

[enterthemadness]

Matt Brown is bad ass and tough....he got busted up and still was fighting. Awesome fight and sportsmanship.

 

[B]

Rumble looks soooo much more at home in these higher weight classes than he did at 170.

Half his fights there were more cutting the weight than they were in the cage. Could probably have an easier time making 185, but he looks like a beast at 205. Made mince meat of Nogueira in no time last night.

Will be interesting to see how far, if at all, he can go in the 205 division.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Why did Rumble cut all that weight?

Why does ANY fighter cut that much weight in the first place? To dominate smaller fighters in lower weight classes -- that's why. Virtually every fighter is guilty of it. From Anderson Silva to GSP to Jon Jones. I use to hear it from my Judoka sensei all the time:

"Drop 15 lbs or else you're gonna have to deal with natural heavyweights tossing you around."

 

[B]

Why did Rumble cut all that weight?

Why does ANY fighter cut that much weight in the first place? To dominate smaller fighters in lower weight classes -- that's why. Virtually every fighter is guilty of it. From Anderson Silva to GSP to Jon Jones. I use to hear it from my Judoka sensei all the time:

"Drop 15 lbs or else you're gonna have to deal with natural heavyweights tossing you around."

Rumble is a very extreme case, in between fights he ballooned up & you could visually see the extreme lengths he went to in order to fight at 170lbs, he probably was walking around at about 210lbs-220lbs when he wasn't in camp or a serious diet.

Also while he was fighting there on a couple of occasions were his fights lasted more than a round, he looked physically drained during the fight simply because of how much the weight cut had took out of him, very unsafe cut. You could tell the weight cut was too much for him just looking at him at the weigh ins for his fights at 170lbs.. he literally looked like skin, muscle & bones, with very low body fat. 185lbs would probably be his limit given his frame & size.

GSP isn't too bad, in between camps he walks around at anything from 185lbs-195lbs from what I've heard.. which is pretty common for the division. GSP though is pretty much in decent shape all year round, if he let his diet go the way say Anderson Silva tends to do you could probably throw another 10lbs on top of that.

You know you are in the wrong weight class if you either can't make the weight consistently OR if the cut is draining you too much and having an effect on your performance. GSP is fine & Silva/Jones just let themselves go a little in between fights in terms of their diet making their walk around weight perhaps higher than it would be if they kept a little bit of a tighter lid on their diets.

Jones is a good example, he looks like he is too big to be a LHW because of his height & frame.. but if you feel he should be a HW take a look at him & say JDS who is one of the HW divisions smaller/medium sized fighters... they look an entire weight class apart. Even when Jones weighs 230lbs between camps, he looks kinda bloated I feel, JDS is around 240lbs-250lbs & looks like a comic book character in terms of his build at that weight.

 

[NicoSuave]

Anthony Johnson cutting to 170 was perhaps the biggest mind**** I ever witnessed. He was cutting close to 50 pounds in order to make that weight limit, and then stayed 50 pounds above the limit for his debut at 185... What in anyone's right mind makes them think cutting nearly 50 pounds is a good idea (especially when you look like Rumble, who naturally looks like he lives on Mount ****ing Olympus)?!

Thank every god of every belief system that he finally wised up, and moved up to 205, where he belonged all along! I just hope his organs haven't been completely destroyed from the strain he kept putting them through, all those years ago.

 

[brainchild81]

He seems to be in good health. I hope Silva pummels Diaz

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Why does ANY fighter cut that much weight in the first place? To dominate smaller fighters in lower weight classes

Would weighing in on fight day help change that? I especially hate the gap between light-heavy and heavy. I think we are missing out on good fights if fighters were able to fight in the 220 range without having to face someone 240+.

 

[E-Man]

The UFC just had their Tyson/Lewis weigh in moment. I wonder if Jones told someone that he'd expletive them until they loved him expletive.

 

[B]

The UFC just had their Tyson/Lewis weigh in moment. I wonder if Jones told someone that he'd expletive them until they loved him expletive.

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Amusing.

 

[CrypticOne]

This was awesome! Good to see some emotion exploding in front of our faces. Most anticipated fight of the year, right here folks!